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We will see how other leagues cope with earlier resumptions, and whether Covid19 will just grind them to a halt again.
Even then, those leagues are playing behind closed doors and are likely to be implementing a pretty rigorous testing programme for games, and I'm not sure LOI clubs could take the costs of either. BBC article on the Scottish PL estimating the costs of testing for their remaining games at minimum £100,000 per club.
Think we were third highest in Europe with percentage of income related to gate receipts so struggling to see the merits of a restart if it is behind closed doors and ends up breaking most clubs
Is there still clubs paying 100% of wages ? Shamrock Rovers are paying out 75% I think. There has been nothing from Dundalk about wages has there.
This is how the Premier stands AFAIK.
Bohs: 100% wages
Cork: Laid off
Derry: 100% wages
Dundalk: 100% wages
Finn Harps: ?
Pats: Laid off
Sham Rovers: 75%
Shels: 100%
Sligo: Laid off
Waterford: Laid off
Any updates to this.
I've tried to figure out what the situation is in the other summer leagues, as some of them are smaller leagues as well who might face similar challenges. Except for Belarus who have continued playing, all of them had their season interrupted or their start of the season delayed. The Faroes seem to be the first ones who get back playing.
Belarus: Playing.
Estonia: One round played before shutdown.
Faroes: Start their season this weekend. The islands seem to be Covid-free now, so I would assume they play in front of fans.
Finland: No matches played yet.
Georgia: Two rounds played before shutdown.
Iceland: No matches played yet.
Kazakhstan: Two and a half rounds played before shutdown.
Latvia: No matches played yet.
Lithuania: One round played before shutdown.
Moldova: No matches played yet.
Norway: No matches played yet. Apparently starting behind closed doors on 16 June.
Sweden: No matches played yet. Targeting a start on 14 June with crowds permitted.
It will be interesting to see how the smaller ones among these are trying to get back playing, or whether they write off their seasons eventually.
If geysir is here: Any update on when Iceland is hoping to start their season?
I know what you mean here, but I like the idea of referees abandoning games at half-time as hacking coughs sweep across the pitch. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
https://youtu.be/3Rh4rKCykmM
A glimpse at what might be coming down the road for us
The Swedish decision could be early enough to see if covid trends are affected if September becomes the adjusted season target start. Any spike in infection rates are bound to be watched for closely. Not an exact comparison for a number of reasons but would be an indicator of what could be done! We can only hope that the general public testing system is sorted out as damn all will change for so called non-essential industry like sport. Actually another thing will be interesting is if/when restrictions start being lifted on pubs/clubs!
Did you not just ask and answer your own Q ? Anyway Dundalk's owners p6 confirmed in March they would continue pay full wages for the squad, mgt and admin staff, they didn't confirm for how long though.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Personally, I would have put them on 75%, most in any other industry who are WFH are doing full WFH and get 100% wages, not so for a footballer.
I felt Uachtarán GAA spoke well on telly last, pointing out games without fans is not an option really. Because of the size of GAA grounds games with reduced crowds is more realistic. This all depends on government allowing this to happen. October for the championship was the timescale he has in mind.
A winter season with small crowds spectating keeping a distance from each would be a good target for the league of Ireland ?
I'm sure Galway would love to have to travel to Derry and Ballybofey in two buses instead of the likes of Athlone and Longford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finlay Harp
According to a report the other day it's a 50/50 split with the Premier clubs on behind closed doors.
Waterford, Pat's, Sligo, Harps and Cork have pretty much said they're against it.
So that leaves the 4 European clubs and Shels, presumably, who want to play BCD.
Where are Shels getting all their money from?
Could the Premier resume with only 5 clubs if the other 5 refuse to play...
I clearly stated AFAIK. The assumption of Dundalk paying 100% was based on their strong financial position.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
The FAI or other LOI clubs can't make 5 clubs (or even 1 club for that matter) play behind closed doors if it means that a club cant sustain their costs. If all clubs can't agree or if it can't come back in the same guile as the first 4 or 5 games then it will likely go one way, which is scrapping it. Even if all clubs could agree to BHD there will definitely be conditions for that to happen, like teams reducing their budget in line with crowds BHD for example, which would not be the same scenario that clubs started the season i.e. a different league!. Some clubs that are pro BHD could form a mini league of course, but that would be an absolute joke really.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
Best start to a season for us in about a thousand years, (probably closer to 25) but to be honest If one club wants season cancelled I think its a time we should all stick together and maybe go that way, I'd be 100% against empty stadiums just to get the league finished, last thing we need is clubs going to the wall, it's looking very likely that uefa are going to cancel the CL & EL qualifiers and not payout so are we all not in the same boat now, we have to remember that we all kinda rely on each other to survive. As much as we hate each other we are all the one LOI family, and while Rovers and Dundalk seem OK money wise, you have to look back and think it's not that long ago that we had buckets out at games too, what comes around goes around, we need to have a unified approach to this
I had heard and read the opposite on paying out if qualifiers were culled due to the very likely risk of some club looking at the legalities especially if there is a straight to group stage going to happen. There was also the possibility that if the 19/20 European comps are not played out then the remaining unplayed for prize money could be reallocated but remaining clubs are looking for the money to be shared omong them. Neither are entirely unreasonable but if UEFA's cash reserves take a battering then the most likely thing imo is that the money could be carried over for 20/21 and plug the financial hole of lost tv revenue etc.
https://www.dundalkfc.com/a-message-...-of-directors/Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Doesn't state for how long though.
Worth pointing out Niall Quinn rubbished this on LOI weekly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
It's something that 99% of suspected for fairly obvious reasons but good to have it confirmed
Does the LOI have an official tv deal , I always thought the showing of games was only ad hoc.
I think there is with RTE and Eir sport and then deal with is it Track Champ or something comparable to online matches?Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
RTE and Eir have deals for 17 and 15 games a year respectively while trackchamp have the rights to supply the betting companies with a feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
So basically the only rights we have sold are betting coverage and 32 domestic TV coverage games a year (17 of which being rte you'd assume also have online domestic rights). Which is a very small amount of potential rights.
https://www.sseairtricityleague.ie/n...clubs-/id-3302
Four SSE Airtricity League clubs – Dundalk, Shamrock Rovers, Derry City and Bohemians - will be invited to return to training initially followed by a return to playing, in a behind closed doors tournament, as part of a pilot programme for a return to football for everyone.
Players and staff from the four invited SSE Airtricity League clubs will undergo regular COVID-19 testing from May 26.
The four invited SSE Airtricity League clubs can return to collective training on June 8th.
These four clubs will participate in a four-team tournament at a neutral venue, ahead of their European Club competition games in late July/ early August.
The four-team tournament will provide all stakeholders with an opportunity to learn in the current environment from these games, thus providing a safer template for SSE Airtricity League, International games and all football going forward.
All other SSE Airtricity League squads can return to collective training on June 29th under Phase Three of the Government’s Roadmap For Reopening Society and Business, with players and staff undergoing regular COVID-19 testing.
If the clubs themselves are happy to do it then no harm in the mini tournament. The assumption seems to be that Uefa will hold the qualifiers in the autumn a big assumption considering last year’s tournaments remain unfinished. I wonder are Uefa coming to the conclusion to give up on the current tournaments and aim for next years with procedures in place.
The 4 teams have to do whatever they have to do in order to prepare for resumption of European football with their finances on the line but that the FAI statement again leaves nobody the wiser on how closed-doors football is going to be viable for the remaining 15 clubs to pay salaries and increased expenses
Don't know the ins and outs but Quinn was saying on LOI Weekly that they were close to a way to making it viable and I've heard they're going to contact clubs Monday about how to do so so I guess something has been arranged but I'm sceptical to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Yeah its sensible to have somthing in place just in case of a resumption. I'd think that such a mini tournament could be moved back too if need be and things become clearer. With 3 clubs (? not sure about Derry) still paying players, its less hassle in relative terms to organise some sort of warm up games and adjust the schedule accordingly. Testing seemed to be a main obstacle in terms of cost, but if the FAI have managed to arrange something its part of the way there. It will certainly be interesting to hear more detail tomorrowish.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Would have to be a tv deal one would imagine to make it viable.
Banking ona dearth of live football? If things take a twist in England which is still possible such is the confusion, and the EPL gets delayed then would be interest. Though unless deals with RTE/EIR can be dealt with? It wouldnt be LoI though so ye never know, it could be a bit of an earner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
How is insurance for players and staff being dealt with?
That would be an ecumenical matter!
Rhetorical question I presume - is it a matter that hasnt been addressed so far? The detail is what will make or break any future proposal be it Lucid's or not. Until the major variables can be sorted, there wont be a proposal that sticks and we all know this.
Have you confused the threads Nesta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Good point. Insurers seem to be saying they don't cover Covid19. They're really affecting Irish society, especially in the past 10 years or so. White collar extortion
According to reports the other day, the FAI's whole financial plan on a resumption is based on them convincing the government to allow the wage subsidy scheme to stay in place for clubs!
Given that the government is being asked for financial support left, right and centre at the moment, that plan will surely work out perfectly.
How does the wage subsidy work for players from outside Ireland? Do they qualify for any payments?
Wouldnt be the first time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
As far as I’m aware the requirements for the covid payment are nowhere near as strict as normal welfare payments and once the players are employed here and have an Irish address then they qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Wage subsidy staying in place for clubs would just be the cherry on top for clubs. Once that ends that's more than likely the emergency period over which means temporary layoffs can't continue so clubs have to either start paying players again, buy them out, or make the position redundant which as a football clubs its sort of hard to make the position of footballer redundant.
Anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
EPL players seemingly are being asked to sign a waiver. There havent been specifics but it doesnt seem to be waiving clubs' financial responsibility for players or what clubs could be exposed to (pardon the term) if players get infected. It could well be to do with insurance cover issues, though for most EPL clubs, are they waiving their right to claim against infected players wages I wonder? I'm sure zeros are being added to personal health insurance policies regardless. It's speculation of course rather than an answer and will differ due to scale. I cant see insurance companies being too quick to be helpful considering the hammering they are due, especially if there is a govt, directive on business protection cover, which is included in the programme for govt. currently being negotiated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker