True but he's a scumbag off the field. Can't see him ending up here (hopefully)
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True but he's a scumbag off the field. Can't see him ending up here (hopefully)
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
He could just sit on his contract either. Could Derry afford a pay-off would be the next question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Not quite - we did not say he was not interested, just that at this point he had not spoken with either Patterson or Quigley. He may well have checked out the situation with DerryQuote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
It'd be cheaper to pay him off than let him sit on it. But despite his reputation as a lazy player, he doesn't seem the type. Spending a year sitting on his arse, if it came to that, wouldn't do much for his ability to earn a wage in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Donal McDermot got a reasonable amount of game time and has shown glimpses of his talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
His fitness levels would have counted against him as he had not played any football for some months before coming to Dundalk. The absence of a pre-season fitness regime and no B team football to sharpen fitness meant it was always going to be difficult for supporters to see his full potential.
However, Stephen Kenny would have had the opportunity to assess his attitude and character along with making a call on his ability and willingness to get to the required fitness levals.
The fact that he has not been signed up for 2015 probably tells its own story.
McDermott's supposed to be signing up for the army to be fair to the lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
With a 3 star private starting at €360 and rising to €385 in year 3 this is hardly a quantum leap upwards from League of IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
At least it'll get him fit
Seriously Charlie, you're not trying to spin that one are you? If anyone else said the same about one of their players, I'm sure your thinking wouldn't be along the same lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Rumour mill on social media doing the rounds that Towell gone to Blackpool. Was on local radio up in Dundalk, supposedly
It's not spin, it's basic logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Look, Pats didn't offer him the same terms as last year. Now, that doesn't mean that Rovers didn't completely **** the bed and offer him double what he got last year, but it's pretty unlikely as he's not in a position to drive a hard bargain. He's had no offers from the UK and none of the other clubs in the league were in for him. If you reckon he's getting insane money, then fine.
Heard Nottm Forest here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Peter Hutton rubbished rumours linking Patterson away saying he's contracted for another year and is staying with us. Said he wished Rory contacted him about his future before going to the Journal
I don't think he is getting insane money and I never suggested he is. What I did say originally, was that I highly doubt he took a pay cut when he went to Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Fair enough. Basic economics suggests a player whose value and demand has dropped will struggle to maintain his wage level, but there are always exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Football in Ireland isn't basic economics. In fact its the complete opposite of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Given that Shamrock Rovers can offer full time football and Pat's can't must of played some part in Fahey making he's decision.
After all at the beginning of the year he was on the radio moaning about having to go down the park to train. To me I get the impression a nice wage as well as full time football was offered by Rovers and it's simply not something many people will turn down. At the end of the day every football wants to play full time as well as getting a nice wage.
Pats train full time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
Fahey himself stated in interview with Mail on Sunday that he is on less money now than at Pats. Also seems that Pats were not too pushed in keeping him, which is understandable as he didn't deliver on the hype when he first signed at Inchicore.
Please lets stop the talk about part-time players in the League of Ireland; at least 7 clubs were full-time last season. That is; the players trained during the day and were paid a wage equal too, or greater than the average earnings in the country. The excuse of players not being full-time pros is often used after european games when poor level of fitness compared to opponents is displayed by Irish clubs. I remember Stewi Byrne saying on soccer republic that there is no excuse for a young lad getting 400 euro a week for not being in a proper physical condition and have the basic skill levels of a professional soccer player.
Ah would you go away, 400 euro a wage isn't far above minimum wage. There may be 6 or 7 clubs where the players are "full time" in terms of it being their sole income (for 40 weeks) and they train during the day, but that's not full time in football terms. When you don't have a dedicated workplace, where you train one place and then the club has a deal with a private gym for physical work, where you might have a part-time fitness coach and meals but otherwise you're left to your own devices, it's not full time in any meaningful football sense. The clubs are going the right way, but they have a long way to go.
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Originally Posted by ger121
No man, someone bought a towel in Blackpool!
That is an interesting interpretation - according to CSO figures the average industrial earning is about €35,000Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Do you think there are many LoI players getting €900 a week on 40 week contracts?
€400 over 40 weeks is €16,000Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
A minimum wage worker clocking 36 hours a week would exceed that amount over a full year
Lorcan Fitzgerald (Pat's)
Marc Griffin (Dundalk)
Dean Kelly (Shams)
Robbie Creevy (UCD)
Robbie Duggan from Peterborough United will join on loan in January.
Rumours that Evan McMillan and Marc Quigley signing for Bohs.
I thought I read a couple of year ago, Pats went to part time due to not be able to sustain the finances to be playing full time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Well for me full time means 52 weeks paid employment. If you're not on a 52 week contract then I don't think its full time.
Think it was said at the start of last season that Pats would be going full time with every player.
For Limerick we aren't considered full time but a lot of the players would have been. Folan, Leahy, Lynch, Duggan, Djillali, O'Connor, Oji, Nzuzi, Williams, Ageymang, Abass off the top of my head had no other jobs or college and only played matches, trained and had Gym sessions.
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Since when does €35,000 a year equate to €900 a week? It'd end up at €27,000 over a 40 week season, around 675 a week.
Even then, if you ask me, that's grossly over-estimated figures. I know very few people earning that sort of a wage up around here.
€400 a week is more than comfortable to live on anywhere outside of Dublin.
I'd chew your hand off for €400 a week at present.
Besides, minimum wage must be a lot larger in Dundalk than it is everywhere else if you think they're taking home more than 400 a week.
They went part time in 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc
Last year wasn't really full time either. They trained during the day but it wasn't every day. Some of them worked side jobs but not many.
Most of the top 6 from last year are the same
Are you always so edgy?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
€35,000 / 40 weeks = €875
Minimum wage is based on the National Minimum Wage Act of 2000 and for experienced adults is €8.65 gross per hour
Based on 36 hours per week, this equates to €311.40 per week or just over €16,000 per annum
Unless it's been worked on some scheme? Their wages might been split. Your weekly wage is say €700 a week with say 15% being taken off each week for 'savings' from the club so to speak during the off-season and reduce wage i.e 50%. So off-season a player could earn €350+€105=€455 before tax. He'd be making €595 before tax during the season. So he'd be down €140 instead of €350.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan
I'm not saying this is fact or that any clubs are or should do it. It's just one way I've been looking at it.
Yeah you see that makes sense and would be a mature approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat
You see the problem??😜
I think this would pretty much sum up where we were at last season. Not many of the first xi had jobs, and training didn't take place every day but it was 4 or 5 times a week I think. Also I remember reading notes from SK in a match programme and he said something like 'although we are not strictly full time, dont call us part time' So seems to be a mix of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Some people call me The Edge. For some sort of copyright reasons beyond me, I'm unable to use this pseudonym however.
I'm basing your 35,000 average wage figure over 52 weeks, which would be an industry standard year. Over the course of a league of Ireland season, they'd not be getting that, as over 40 weeks it would work out around 27,000.
You're right on 311.40 per week too. Not the 400 you stated previously being less than minimum wage worker doing 36 hours a week. That 90 quid could make a huge difference to some families, and is almost 5 grand a year of difference.
My point is, 400 a week is a fierce good wage for a lot of people. I'd wager there's a fair amount of full time footballers on such a wage across the water.
I didn't mean to come across so snappy and I do apologise.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
When in my original post and again subsequently I have clearly spelled it out
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Please go back and read it again - I cant be arsed to explain it againQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Maybe I'm simply not understanding your wording of the whole thing. I'm not arsed arguing over something so small and irrelevant to this thread.
The average industrial wage is around an annual €35,000. Football players in Ireland are only contracted for 40 weeks, so to earn the average industrial wage they'd need to be paid almost €900 per week, since most footballers can't just walk straight into an equally well-paying job for 12 weeks and then quit again when football starts again.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Jake Kelly is a quality signing for Dundalk. The mid-to-lower table sides should just contribute their best players to build four league dream teams to compete in Europe. Wearen should have gone to one of them but I'll let him off if he wants to bum Owen. By my count, only McEleney, Turner and Benson remain from that pool.
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4 dream teams? There can be only one.
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