North Tipp & District League 2012/13

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Originally Posted by panda87

That tipp cup win last year was some achievement so! ;)

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I agree - that was brilliant.

Don't take it the wrong way but without any natural population centre (like a village) it is some achievement.

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Originally Posted by Tractor Boy

Lads, don't get me wrong. I really respect what Nenagh Town have done. I'm using the population argument as a shield to defend Clough not a sword to attack Nenagh. Nenagh have a brilliant set-up and from any dealings I've had with them they always come across as decent people.
However they do have a natural advantage based on population. People associated with the club shouldn't use this advantage to attack other clubs that don't have those advantages. I don't have any issue with the success Nenagh have had however based on the size of the town they should be winning the league every year easily and their sights should be set to higher prizes.

For example - Its like when say Bulgaria qualified for a world cup and got to the semi-finals in 94, that was based on a group of good players coming together at the same time. However Bulgaria have a small population and have had little success since. I would compare Cloughjordan to Bulgaria (sorry Clough!) and Nenagh to Brazil.
Brazil will curn out players based on the sheer size of the population. However you don't see Brazil boasting about beating Bulgaria. They boast about beating the Spains / Italys / Germanys of this world. In the case of Junior soccer these are better the teams of towns with similar populations in the FAI / Munster Junior Cups.

You could go into further analysis showing that with the main teams in the next two biggest towns in North Tipp not playing in the competition (ie Peak Villa (Population of Thurles 7,933) & Killavilla (Population of Roscrea 5,403) that Nenagh are an absolutely huge fish within the North Tipp pond (population of North Tipperary 70,322). To be honest I would think that the lack of competition in North Tipp is what holds back Nenagh in the National tournements.

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I was thinking about this again and I actually didn't include Newport (Population of 1,806) who also play outside of North Tipp.

For a bit of stato fun if you were to take the out the three towns whose primary teams don't play in north tipp, the population remaining is 55,180.
Therefore you could argue that in North Tipp to make the division equal there would be 5 & 1/2 teams. Best to round this up to 6 teams.
Looking through the census very quickly I came up with a semi-equal league based on population.

Nenagh Town - 10k
Club from Upper Ormond - 6k (made up of current clubs Borrisokane / Cloughjordan / Ardcroney / Streamstown Celtic / Puckane / Shannon Rangers)
Club from Lower Ormond - 6k (made up of current clubs Arra Rovers / Lough Derg / Rearcross / Kilcommon / Silvermines Area / Newtown Area)
Club from West Thurles - 6k (made up of current clubs Thurles Town / Thurles Celtic / Borroway / Borrisoleigh Area / Holycross / Clodiagh)
Club from Toomevara District - 6k (made up of current clubs Sallypark, Gurtagarry, Noreside Celtic, Ballymackey, Toomevara Area)
Club from Templemore - 6k (made up of current clubs Blackcastle, Clonmore, Templetouhy, Moneygal)

So with one club from each of these and Newport, Killavilla & Peakvilla you would have a very competitive league.

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Originally Posted by bawn79

I was thinking about this again and I actually didn't include Newport (Population of 1,806) who also play outside of North Tipp.

For a bit of stato fun if you were to take the out the three towns whose primary teams don't play in north tipp, the population remaining is 55,180.
Therefore you could argue that in North Tipp to make the division equal there would be 5 & 1/2 teams. Best to round this up to 6 teams.
Looking through the census very quickly I came up with a semi-equal league based on population.

Nenagh Town - 10k
Club from Upper Ormond - 6k (made up of current clubs Borrisokane / Cloughjordan / Ardcroney / Streamstown Celtic / Puckane / Shannon Rangers)
Club from Lower Ormond - 6k (made up of current clubs Arra Rovers / Lough Derg / Rearcross / Kilcommon / Silvermines Area / Newtown Area)
Club from West Thurles - 6k (made up of current clubs Thurles Town / Thurles Celtic / Borroway / Borrisoleigh Area / Holycross / Clodiagh)
Club from Toomevara District - 6k (made up of current clubs Sallypark, Gurtagarry, Noreside Celtic, Ballymackey, Toomevara Area)
Club from Templemore - 6k (made up of current clubs Blackcastle, Clonmore, Templetouhy, Moneygal)

So with one club from each of these and Newport, Killavilla & Peakvilla you would have a very competitive league.

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Newport, killavilla and Peakvilla would be a huge addition to the North Tipp league, cant see either Newport or Peakvilla joining but Killavilla are looking to get their schoolboys back into North Tipp not sure about the adult teams.

If BT Harps can filter through some of the schoolboys they have they will be right up their in a few years time as well, also if thurles could join forces they to would be a major player but they need to try get a schoolboys set up going.

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Originally Posted by bawn79

Newport, killavilla and Peakvilla would be a huge addition to the North Tipp league, cant see either Newport or Peakvilla joining but Killavilla are looking to get their schoolboys back into North Tipp not sure about the adult teams.

If BT Harps can filter through some of the schoolboys they have they will be right up their in a few years time as well, also if thurles could join forces they to would be a major player but they need to try get a schoolboys set up going.

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Cool about Killavilla. I remember being beaten 6-0 by them once playing u-16 when they played in North Tipp.
Also sorry about leaving out Nenagh Celtic in my illustration above, it was just simpler for comparison purposes. I do think a town of Nenaghs size should have two teams. It wasn't so long ago that ye went a season unbeaten right?

I wondered about making it a requirement of having a team in the Premier division, that you had to have a youths team also. Could be an interesting proposal to put forward to the AGM for next season.

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Originally Posted by celticlads

Cool about Killavilla. I remember being beaten 6-0 by them once playing u-16 when they played in North Tipp.
Also sorry about leaving out Nenagh Celtic in my illustration above, it was just simpler for comparison purposes. I do think a town of Nenaghs size should have two teams. It wasn't so long ago that ye went a season unbeaten right?

I wondered about making it a requirement of having a team in the Premier division, that you had to have a youths team also. Could be an interesting proposal to put forward to the AGM for next season.

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I think no club should be allowed to join the North Tipp league without 1st having an underage structure in place, now i dont mean a team in every age group but maybe 2 underage teams with plans to futher development. Without a structure its very hard to keep a club goinig and can lead to clubs folding after a couple of years.

Ya i agree about 2 teams in Nenagh but 2 is enough, what do you mean with ie Nenagh 10k?

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Originally Posted by bawn79

I think no club should be allowed to join the North Tipp league without 1st having an underage structure in place, now i dont mean a team in every age group but maybe 2 underage teams with plans to futher development. Without a structure its very hard to keep a club goinig and can lead to clubs folding after a couple of years.

Ya i agree about 2 teams in Nenagh but 2 is enough, what do you mean with ie Nenagh 10k?

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Ya I agree with you on the joining thing. It turns it too much into a pub league kinda thing without this. 11 lads with a set of shirts can join if they stump up the entry fee.

Nenagh 10k - was just taking into account that Nenagh has a population of 10,000 people, thats all.

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Originally Posted by celticlads

Ya I agree with you on the joining thing. It turns it too much into a pub league kinda thing without this. 11 lads with a set of shirts can join if they stump up the entry fee.

Nenagh 10k - was just taking into account that Nenagh has a population of 10,000 people, thats all.

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Oh right, didnt realise it was that high.

Do you think any of the groups would join? would make for a very competitive league if they did.

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Originally Posted by bawn79

Oh right, didnt realise it was that high.

Do you think any of the groups would join? would make for a very competitive league if they did.

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Well I'd like to think a Toomevara "Superteam" could be feasible based on the fact that a lot of the players play hurling for the same team / parish. I've put my own personal view on here before that I'd love to see Ballymackey, Gurtagarry & Sallypark joining together. But I'm an outsider at the club so I'm not sure of what the general view would be.

Before Newtown Celtic finished up I was pushing for them to join with Arra. We approached Arra at the time but they turned us down. Within a few years they relaxed their own rules and a good few ex Newtown players ended up playing for them. However there was a period around just after Newtown folded that I think a combined Arra / Newtown team would have been very close to being good enough for a Premier league title.

Nice to see some healthy debate. A few points re recent posts.
Forcing amalgamations not the answer really, the 11 lads with shirts are entitled to have a go, they love the game, will have a strong sense of identity and camaraderie and will play for the shirt, There are 4 divisions so they will find their standard, enjoy themselves and may be playing decent footie.
The Nenagh population thing. 10,000 my arse, more like 7,000 I would say, and this number would include many players with other clubs, be they either townies, or country lads who moved to Nenagh for the urbane and sophisticated lifestyle.
BT Harps schoolboys, their standard has fallen dramatically in past 4/5 years, and they're finding it difficult to compete with Nenagh AFC at all ages except u16s, where their once very talented squad (The best in Nth Tipp for past 5/6 years) will now break up, as it is backboned by Drom n' Inch hurlers / gaelic footballers.
Nenagh AFC Youths, no need to try and keep them together, 2 of them part of this season's 1st team squad (17 year old scored v Clough in recent league decider), and the B team which will play in next Friday's Tipp cup final has several of them involved, including at least 2 starters. It's a long term project for Nenagh and starting to bear fruit - start them very young, coach them properly (would require a whole new thread to fully explore that), give them good facilities - then they form an identity with the club, becoming life long members - you then have a vibrant football club. Obviously not as simple as that, it takes a lot of time on the part of very dedicated volunteers, some of whom would be former players. And being an urban centre does help - witness the premier division containing Harps, 2 Nenagh teams and Thurles. On a lesser scale, Borris and Clough. The latter really deserve credit on their past season, but playing facilities will always hold them back. Maybe they could join forces with Ardcroney, who along with Ballymackey deserve enormous credit for their facilities, potentially 2 premier clubs right there, decent schoolboy set ups too.
Best of luck to both teams on Friday night, a great night for the club, neutrals should go and be envious of both the occasion and surroundings, and then go and do what they can for their own club.
And the very best of luck to all clubs in North Tipp, for promoting and keeping the Beautiful Game alive and kicking.

i dont think anyone is trying to force amalgamations skunk, but you could be right about BT Harps i think alot of that 16s team could drift away thats what i meant by saying if they could filter them through. You have made alot of strong points there but i strongly disagree with you about any 11 forming a club, if there that interested in playing football there are enough clubs around already or like i said start with a few schoolboys teams and see how the club would grow form there.

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Originally Posted by celticlads

i dont think anyone is trying to force amalgamations skunk, but you could be right about BT Harps i think alot of that 16s team could drift away thats what i meant by saying if they could filter them through. You have made alot of strong points there but i strongly disagree with you about any 11 forming a club, if there that interested in playing football there are enough clubs around already or like i said start with a few schoolboys teams and see how the club would grow form there.

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Funny that because Nenagh AFC was founded in 1951, and Celtic not until 1981 :p

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Originally Posted by Hon-The-Blues!!

Funny that because Nenagh AFC was founded in 1951, and Celtic not until 1981 :p

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And your point is?

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Originally Posted by skunk

Nice to see some healthy debate. A few points re recent posts.
Forcing amalgamations not the answer really, the 11 lads with shirts are entitled to have a go, they love the game, will have a strong sense of identity and camaraderie and will play for the shirt, There are 4 divisions so they will find their standard, enjoy themselves and may be playing decent footie.
The Nenagh population thing. 10,000 my arse, more like 7,000 I would say, and this number would include many players with other clubs, be they either townies, or country lads who moved to Nenagh for the urbane and sophisticated lifestyle.
BT Harps schoolboys, their standard has fallen dramatically in past 4/5 years, and they're finding it difficult to compete with Nenagh AFC at all ages except u16s, where their once very talented squad (The best in Nth Tipp for past 5/6 years) will now break up, as it is backboned by Drom n' Inch hurlers / gaelic footballers.
Nenagh AFC Youths, no need to try and keep them together, 2 of them part of this season's 1st team squad (17 year old scored v Clough in recent league decider), and the B team which will play in next Friday's Tipp cup final has several of them involved, including at least 2 starters. It's a long term project for Nenagh and starting to bear fruit - start them very young, coach them properly (would require a whole new thread to fully explore that), give them good facilities - then they form an identity with the club, becoming life long members - you then have a vibrant football club. Obviously not as simple as that, it takes a lot of time on the part of very dedicated volunteers, some of whom would be former players. And being an urban centre does help - witness the premier division containing Harps, 2 Nenagh teams and Thurles. On a lesser scale, Borris and Clough. The latter really deserve credit on their past season, but playing facilities will always hold them back. Maybe they could join forces with Ardcroney, who along with Ballymackey deserve enormous credit for their facilities, potentially 2 premier clubs right there, decent schoolboy set ups too.
Best of luck to both teams on Friday night, a great night for the club, neutrals should go and be envious of both the occasion and surroundings, and then go and do what they can for their own club.
And the very best of luck to all clubs in North Tipp, for promoting and keeping the Beautiful Game alive and kicking.

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I wasn't suggesting forced amalgamations, it was just a harmless way of comparing the relative populations of Nenagh versus the clubs they compete against in the league. The 10k vs 7k is debatable, 7,995 was the official census population in 2011 so depending on the town limits its probably somewhere in between. When I was coming up with the 6k for the other clubs it was quite a struggle and a few of those I'd say are an over-estimate.

I would disagree (like Celticlad) about the 11 lads and a bag of shirts, there are more than enough teams around for players to play on, I think.

Re the u-18s, I was just suggesting a way to keep them together for u-19 level to give another go at the fai cup for them as there is no league at this level in North Tipp.

Best of luck in the Tipperary Cup final - should be a good game. I have a feeling Nenagh will pip it though!

However in the absence of any prize money for winning the Premier division, I was just thinking that it would be in Nenaghs best interest to have a more competitive league to play against. Competition would sharper the teams for the national competitions. In the short term Nenagh A vs Nenagh B is a good thing but in the long-term what will happen, it is possible to get too big.

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Originally Posted by skunk

On a lesser scale, Borris and Clough. The latter really deserve credit on their past season, but playing facilities will always hold them back.

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Cheers skunk , We would love to have proper playing facilities but its actually very hard to find the proper field and its a real pity cos we have funds in our account .. No point in picking any auld field and regret it later .. We will get there someday !
Loving this debate thats going on here .

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Originally Posted by celticlads

And your point is?

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Another faceplam moment from hon the blues !! he is on a roll here ! :D

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Originally Posted by mr. man

Cheers skunk , We would love to have proper playing facilities but its actually very hard to find the proper field and its a real pity cos we have funds in our account .. No point in picking any auld field and regret it later .. We will get there someday !
Loving this debate thats going on here .

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We know that feeling, we also have some funds but just cant get the right location. We thought we had a deal agree earlier in the year but its since fell apart, its very frustration.

All North Tipp clubs who aspire to junior success need to concentrate on their schoolboy teams 1st and lay the foundations, Clodiagh in particular, along with Ardcroney, Ballymackey, Lough Derg, Nenagh Celtic, BT Harps, Puckane and Cloughjordan all have talented 10/11/12 year old teams who seem to be well coached i.e. concentrate on playing style, not immediate results. I'm sure there are more, no offence if I omitted any teams. As for Nenagh AFC, our current crop look to be the best yet. Up Naynagh.......

Ya i would agree with you on this skunk, i think the schoolboys league done well to make 11s and 10s non competitive. It allows for more development of talent rather than win win win attitude, some players at a young age might not stand out but with game time and coaching they can often bypass the good players again they all reach 16s and youths level. Firstly a child playing any sport must enjoy it and if they do they will become more interested in the game in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hon-The-Blues!!

Ah don't be like that, i think i made a valid point in relation to what was said before me.

Its amazing how i bring out the banter fishing rod, and all the lads here who calling me a gob****e and brainless, are the ones who are taking it hook, line and sinker. :p

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Maybe explain yer valid point then . ! Random statements is all yer giving that dont make any sense and even a nenagh town man is slagging you at this stage ! Who would have thought that wud have happened !! You are actually reminding me of one of the nenagh town A supporters that think they are involved in their club when actually all he does is roar abuse at the opposing team with comments that dont make sense .. And the funny thing is he thinks he gets to other players which actually all they do is laugh at him .. Sad really .. Just disrespectful and hasent grown up yet and at his age he shud have done by now .. And btw , he will be the one shouting abuse at yer B team at the weekend .. He will be easily spotted.. Most lads will know him and any proper nenagh town man should be ashamed of him and probably is ..
If yer gonna bring yer rod , make sense if ya do !

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Originally Posted by mr. man

Maybe explain yer valid point then . ! Random statements is all yer giving that dont make any sense and even a nenagh town man is slagging you at this stage ! Who would have thought that wud have happened !! You are actually reminding me of one of the nenagh town A supporters that think they are involved in their club when actually all he does is roar abuse at the opposing team with comments that dont make sense .. And the funny thing is he thinks he gets to other players which actually all they do is laugh at him .. Sad really .. Just disrespectful and hasent grown up yet and at his age he shud have done by now .. And btw , he will be the one shouting abuse at yer B team at the weekend .. He will be easily spotted.. Most lads will know him and any proper nenagh town man should be ashamed of him and probably is ..
If yer gonna bring yer rod , make sense if ya do !

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Turning on our supporters now i see, you do get around, at least we have people who follow us through thick and thin, unlike yourselves. the whole village of Clough will follow ye for the big game in brickfields, yet when it comes to the cold auld sundays, all ye have is the bloody cows chewing the grass, watching in from behind the goals. And if you are talking about who i think you are, you would want to be very careful, as this person is a very well respected member of both Nenagh Afc and of North Tipp Football, and has done more for the game around North Tipp than your whole club has. Oh and not 1 Nenagh AFC person will either abuse nor begrudge any team tomorrow night, so i dont know where you get that from.

And as regards the valid point i made earlier you want explained, sorry i didnt realise you were a tad slow. But to put it simply it was said how if lads were that into soccer they would join a local club already in existence, and not create a new one yet, there was a club already in Nenagh since 1951, yet Celtic was formed in 1981, thats the point i was making.

Now sorry i have to go Wash my Club jacket for our big day tomorrow. :)

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Originally Posted by Hon-The-Blues!!

Turning on our supporters now i see, you do get around, at least we have people who follow us through thick and thin, unlike yourselves. the whole village of Clough will follow ye for the big game in brickfields, yet when it comes to the cold auld sundays, all ye have is the bloody cows chewing the grass, watching in from behind the goals. And if you are talking about who i think you are, you would want to be very careful, as this person is a very well respected member of both Nenagh Afc and of North Tipp Football, and has done more for the game around North Tipp than your whole club has. Oh and not 1 Nenagh AFC person will either abuse nor begrudge any team tomorrow night, so i dont know where you get that from.

And as regards the valid point i made earlier you want explained, sorry i didnt realise you were a tad slow. But to put it simply it was said how if lads were that into soccer they would join a local club already in existence, and not create a new one yet, there was a club already in Nenagh since 1951, yet Celtic was formed in 1981, thats the point i was making.

Now sorry i have to go Wash my Club jacket for our big day tomorrow. :)

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A town the size of nenagh was always going to have at least 2 clubs at some stage, my point is nowadays there are enough clubs in all areas of north tipp to cater for everyone in my opinion and clubs are formed to often only to fold a few years later. This is not good for the league, 1 major downfall of it is some clubs have folded mid season leaving teams pick up handy points in the 2nd half of the season affectting relegation and promotion. Based on what ive just stated i will refrase my question

Have you a constructive contribution to add to the converstion or are you still trying to turn on the washing machine? :p

Heard Town A won 3-0 well done to them and hard luck to the B-Team, any reports on the game.

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Originally Posted by celticlads

Heard Town A won 3-0 well done to them and hard luck to the B-Team, any reports on the game.

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Well done to Nenagh Town - after a year that didn't look to be going their way at one stage. Between the A team and the u-18 team they are going to have a fine haul of trophies.

Pitch was in phenomenal condition for the tipp cup final, makes a laugh of north tipp playing finals anywhere else. Great to see the teams doing the prematch handshake routine, possibly could be introduced before every game. Was there any reason they didn't do it before the league decider?

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Originally Posted by panda87

Pitch was in phenomenal condition for the tipp cup final, makes a laugh of north tipp playing finals anywhere else. Great to see the teams doing the prematch handshake routine, possibly could be introduced before every game. Was there any reason they didn't do it before the league decider?

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Yeah cloughjordan refused to do the hand shake I heard.

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Originally Posted by panda87

Pitch was in phenomenal condition for the tipp cup final, makes a laugh of north tipp playing finals anywhere else. Great to see the teams doing the prematch handshake routine, possibly could be introduced before every game. Was there any reason they didn't do it before the league decider?

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I think the prematch handshake is nonsense, if lads want to shake hands before thats fine but if they dont thats fine to. Do you mean lining up before hand and every player walking along the line shaking hands?

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Originally Posted by Tractor Boy

Yeah cloughjordan refused to do the hand shake I heard.

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Is this true or are you having a laugh?

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Originally Posted by celticlads

Is this true or are you having a laugh?

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Yeah because of all the **** that went on in the Town v Celtic, town thought it would be appropriate with the occasion of the match to shake hands but the clough management said something like 'its not our problem' and refused.... Which was only added on ammunition for the town players for that game. Bad form I thought when I heard

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Originally Posted by Tractor Boy

Yeah because of all the **** that went on in the Town v Celtic, town thought it would be appropriate with the occasion of the match to shake hands but the clough management said something like 'its not our problem' and refused.... Which was only added on ammunition for the town players for that game. Bad form I thought when I heard

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Cant really see anything wrong with it to be honest, im sure they all shook hands afterwards anyway.

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Originally Posted by celticlads

I think the prematch handshake is nonsense, if lads want to shake hands before thats fine but if they dont thats fine to. Do you mean lining up before hand and every player walking along the line shaking hands?

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Ya I think it would be good for the game, try get players to show each other a small bit of respect. First time I saw it wa the MJC final last year, thought it was tasteful

Would have been nice in the league decider game too, given there was such a crowd at it, gives the game a good image

Ya in theory its a good idea but you cant force respect, 1 issue could arise if you make it a regular thing lads could refuse to shake hands out on the field which wouldnt be good for the image of the game and would become a stupid talking point in the build up to games, in my opinion a handshake after the game means alot more

The handshake after the match is the most pretentious thing I've ever seen, there's nothing worse than some ***** trying to break your leg in a game and then getting his back up if you refuse to shake his hand after. We've all had that clown that you know doesn't like ya, mouthing off about ya in the pub after and up to ya after the game with the paw out, nonsense

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Originally Posted by panda87

The handshake after the match is the most pretentious thing I've ever seen, there's nothing worse than some ***** trying to break your leg in a game and then getting his back up if you refuse to shake his hand after. We've all had that clown that you know doesn't like ya, mouthing off about ya in the pub after and up to ya after the game with the paw out, nonsense

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Listen panda im not looking for an arguement with you but i cant really see where your going with this, if you would be against shaking hands with that sort of fellow after a game why would you want to shake hands with him before the game. I think at the end of the day if lads want to shake hands they will and if they dont then its no big deal.

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Originally Posted by Tractor Boy

Yeah because of all the **** that went on in the Town v Celtic, town thought it would be appropriate with the occasion of the match to shake hands but the clough management said something like 'its not our problem' and refused.... Which was only added on ammunition for the town players for that game. Bad form I thought when I heard

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Yeah we all ( Players and managment ) agreed not to do it , didnt think it was an issue really .. It wasnt to disrespect town , it was us not really seeing the point in doing it , seeing as we didnt do it for any other league game all season . Everyone shook hands at the end like always ..
I think we were asked wud we do it by some of the leagues represenitives before the game .. They said it would look good for the league or whatever .. If they were that worried about our league looking good and organised they would have an oscar trainer setup ages ago ..

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Originally Posted by panda87

The handshake after the match is the most pretentious thing I've ever seen, there's nothing worse than some ***** trying to break your leg in a game and then getting his back up if you refuse to shake his hand after. We've all had that clown that you know doesn't like ya, mouthing off about ya in the pub after and up to ya after the game with the paw out, nonsense

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Handshakes or no handshakes , that clown will still mouth off at ya in the pub after the game .. That a clown's nature !

in my humble poinion,absolutely unfair very disappointed:mad:

Does anyone else think the 1st July is very early to have affiliation forms back in?

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Originally Posted by bawn79

Does anyone else think the 1st July is very early to have affiliation forms back in?

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Yes, very early, although i can understand the why another week wouldnt have hurt the leagues ambitions to get everything kicked off early.

Smack bang at the height of the hurling season, very awkward..

I hear Roscrea Town and Portumna are to have teams this year. I hadn't thought of Portumna as part of my North Tipp Superleague but they could be a good addition.

Could the 12th man please contact me regarding my previous query regarding my infractions. It's has being an awfully long time since i replied with my objections. Thank you.