Best we don't cap the keeper so thanks for the heads upQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
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Best we don't cap the keeper so thanks for the heads upQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
True! Still the fact is we have no creative number 10s so having that option off the bench seems reasonable to me. I'm not giving up the masterson dream just yet either!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Definitely time to give up on Masterson. And Crowley too, being honest.
I think Crowley’s potential will remain tragically unfulfilled. Moran looks like a potential 10 and Ronan was playing a similar role for St Mirren at time. I think even the MLS is a higher standard than League1, and even Byrne is probably a more credible candidate for that role than Crowley.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
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Originally Posted by liamoo11
Also credited with two assists - so a very good day at the officeQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
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Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Once again, Wessi - At the age of 25, Crowley's career record is surely superior to Hoolahan's - 60 appearances in the Eredivisie, 41 in the Championship, 50 in League One, 32 Eerste Divisie vs 5 years at Shelbourne, 16 SPL games for Livingston, one season in League One for Blackpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
OK, Crowley's career has seemed to go backwards a bit since his first season at Birmingham but if today's performance is a sign of things to come, then he may yet become an option
Released by Morecambe after they were relegated back to the fourth tier
Would he possibly have been involved with the Championship / League One training camp in Turkey? I don't think I've heard Kenny mention him at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
There's a reason for that!
Willem II finished third in the Eerste Divisive and are in the promotion play-offs, so it may well turn out that Crowley would have been better off staying put.
Maybe better for Willem that he didnt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
Dan signed for notts county so will be providing the assists for mcgoldrick this season. Needs a good season to be in a position to be on a new irish managers radar
Let it go man, for your own wellbeing ;) Never happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
It seems he has found God so Im Keeping the faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Crikey! That must have been some pass.
(With thanks to Jasper Carrott for that one...)
It was a cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
( coat on, going )
In fairness if he was in our squad I think he'd be the only one capable of making that pass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67500212
I'm not a religious man myself but if it's good enough for Dan...
Would like to see the next manager involve crowley given.our lack of creativity.
Praise the lord and pass the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
From League Two?Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
That said, he seems to be ripping it up there. 8 goals and 3 assists from midfield in 18 games. Would be interesting to see if he can make his way back up the divisions but it was only last season that he put up fairly underwhelming stats in League One.
If League Two is used as a stick to batter James McClean with, then Crowley shouldn't be anywhere near the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Totally different situation. We have no creative midfield and crowley offers that. The question with crowley has been his physical capabilities not his technical creative abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I think the thing is now though that we do have creative midfielders emerging in Moran, Azaz and potentially McAteer. With those lads coming through I think we can safely forget about Crowley, and any other League 2 player born before 2000 now.
Ogbene, Johnston, Moran, Azaz, potentially McAteer and Szmodics. Parrott starting to find his feet in Holland. Surely there's enough talent there along with Ferguson that the new manager can work a bit of magic with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
By this argument, if Jack Byrne needs to be playing at a higher level than League of Ireland, Crowley needs to be at a higher level than League Two.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
When it comes to McClean and Crowley, bear in mind that they were brought into League Two by ambitious owners willing to pay for higher-league players in order to move up the ladder, so essentially they are League One/Championship players playing for teams in League Two. Now for McClean, it's just like a cow's opinion, a moo point.
For Crowley, in the end, you would have to say that there are enough options ahead of him right now, with a couple more in the pipeline. But by the time we start our next qualifying campaign, there's a good chance he'll be back in League One, or even The Championship, and he should be judged by where he is then, not where he is now.
That said, it is time in his career to really move things on, if he does want to play internationally.
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
All very fair I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Liamoo, your hero Dan Crowley turned up to sign on loan at Peterborough United one time, and its a city centre stadium with a gravelled car park mostly. A little stone flew up and hit his fancy automobile so he told them all he wouldn't be playing anywhere with such sh it parking etc etc & off he went & they left him off.
That was before he found God I'd say!Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I've no doubt he is a complex character but I also know we have minimal creativity in our current side and crowley offers us the possibility of that
On the road to Damascus !
For everyone's sake I hope that Damascene road leads to Serie A not Syria!
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/pl...alysis-tactics
An analysis of him at Notts County.
If that's true. He is a lem and we are better off without his limited abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone ~ ~ Except not in a car park obviously ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Maybe Crowley has just found his level though. Spent half a season on loan at Hull who won League One but he was mostly a sub. They could have signed him for nothing that summer but didn't and he signs a six month contract with Cheltenham. Rejoins Willem were he plays half a season of Eredivisie and half a season in the second tier before returning to Morecambe on a six month contract who get relegated from League One.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
He absolutely may have reached his club football level. That's not to say that we would not benefit from.having him involved given how chronically short in creativity we are. We have seen that players like browne Knight ogbene etc while excellent professionals and athletes don't offer us guile or creativity so we struggle to create chances even against mid ranking sides like Greece not to mind the Dutch or French. If a league 2 footballer has this skill set and we don't have any or many other players higher up the football pyramid who possess those particular qualities then why not involve him? If we had 3 creative midfielder s playing in top leagues s in Europe like we do with centre halves or keepers then I wouldn't be pushing for DanQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
I think Sammie S or Andrew moran, might be the key to unlocking Fergusons magic. I'm of a view we should be playing a 4-4--1-1 ( 4-5-1)Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Let's push Collins up beside Cullen
Johnson on the left and ogbene on the right.
Where were these skill sets when he was playing in the Championship or League 1? He's ended up in League 2 for a reason because no half decent team thinks he contributes enough to sign him. So it's either battling relegation in League One or join a League 2 team that wants to gain promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Andy Moran and Finn Azaz. Just two players doing it in the Championship. And with Finn Azaz he's made that step up each season from League 2 whereas Crowley is making that step down with each club he joins.
let's not rule him out just yet. Wes didn't really get motoring fully til the Norwich move when he was 26 or 27 and his best football came in his early to mid 30s.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
I was thinking of the players we have and I started looking at 3-4-1-2 - we have a lot of talented centre-backs, so three at the back will utilize them. We've had problems with shots from distance so let's put two defensive midfielders in front of the back three for extra protection - Cullen as one and the second will depend on the circumstances - somebody more defensive for games against stronger opponents, like Collins, or a box-to-box player with a license to move up against middling or weaker teams. Two fast wing backs to give us width in attack; An advanced midfielder, that can again be flexible - an agent of chaos like Ogbene against stronger teams, a more creative type like Moran for unlocking tight defences put out by weaker opposition. Up front, Ferguson partnered by Obafemi (hopefully), with Obafemi able to drop back if needed to support the advanced midfielder, making it a 3-4-2-1. We can even put Idah up front with Ferguson, if we need to resort to hoofball at any point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
And just to keep this on topic, with the emergence of Moran, Azaz and hopefully Hodge, Crowley is probably still well away from a place. The only way he could really come into contention would probably be to get picked up by a Championship club in the next few transfer windows and really impress.
Have to say I'm happy enough to rule him out. Would be very surprised if he ever won a cap for us, unless maybe if we go on one of those end of season US tours that nobody cares about again and 20 other players drop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero