The Mirror today is reporting the story too that Meyler is to join Hull for a fee of about 1.5 million in January. Good business for them, good move for Meyler. Sunderland might regret this in time.
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The Mirror today is reporting the story too that Meyler is to join Hull for a fee of about 1.5 million in January. Good business for them, good move for Meyler. Sunderland might regret this in time.
Fee of 1.5m agreed according to RTE.
Meyler in Hull today (duh) to agree personal terms.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/engli...nent-transfer/
will cork get anything from this?
was there not talk from Platini that each contrat had to include a minimum sell-on clause?
a nice 150 000 for cork if so..........
christ!!!!makes for sad reading
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepa...id-Meyler.html
I don't think the current Cork City will get anything. The old company will get 0.5% of the fee for each year he was with them between 12 and 24 if I recall correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by frenchman
Edit- just saw the follow up. But like I said it would not have helped the current CCFC anyway.
It does now, but when he did his cruciate in for a 2nd time, the €20k was looking good.Quote:
Originally Posted by frenchman
Did Sunderland pay his wages for the 2 years he was out, or is that sort of thing covered by insurance?
Given the performances he put in under Bruce for Sunderland - I'm a bit surprised that O'Neill has let him go so cheaply. Also at a time of midfield injuries.
There is a fair chance he will command a much greater fee over the next 2/3 years.
Presumably O'Neill needs to sell to buy and feels he can get a better player in his place. Not sure about that considering they're being run ragged by a brittle Liverpool side.
They will have to pay quite a bit more than 1.5m just to get a similar player to Meyler.
But Meyler is a risk and maybe not worth a gamble just yet from a club like Sunderland who are in dire need of a string of results right now.
Disappointed O'Neill didn't see him worth half a dozen starts before deciding but I suppose he has little room for experimenting just now the way things are shaping up for him at Sunderland.
Even when Martin has room for experimentation, he has shown an admirable unwillingness to make even the smallest change. Unless Sunderland are planning to bring in serious reinforcements, they're going to collapse by April.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Anyone disappointed over O'Neill choosing to sell Meyler should remember this is the guy who flogged Gary Cahill to Bolton when everyone could tell he was going to be a top quality centre back. Reckon David has it in him to make Martin regret this one too.
I'm glad he's gone. He will most likely be the main man in a premiership CM come september 2013. Hopefully Brady stays until at least the end of this season as well.
Tim Cahill on loan for a couple of months is likely to be the highlight of their transfer window...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
There are 6 clubs below Sunderland, it's very unlikely they will be relegated.
There's only four points between them and the relegation zone, and Southampton have a game in hand, QPR have one of the most expensive teams in the league, Newcastle have an expensive squad too and Wigan are serial survivors. And like I said, O'Neill will play the same team week-in week-out and they'll tire towards the end of the season and pick up defeats when the other teams in the relegation scrap are picking up points.
You would really think O'Neill would learn from past mistakes
I'm sure he will be open to picking up a few tips from the fantasy managers :)
Sunderland (last I saw) were 1/16 to be relegated.
Appeals to authority are weak, you know that. There is an observable pattern in the way O'Neill (sparingly) utilises his squads and the manner in which it contributes to his team's performance tailing off at the end of the season - it's empirically measurable, if somewhat subjective.
they have trailled off in the last month and a half never mind late in the season.
Sunderland should be okay, if things are still going poorly in 2 months MON can revert to his preferred 10 men behind the ball tactics and play for a set piece goal. The fans got on his back for doing it at the start of the season despite it working last season.
Regarding Meyler, I haven't seen much of him thi season but a reliable Hull fan tells me he's been great. Different to their other centre mids, breaks up play and makes late runs into the box for them. He's also sang Brady's praises time and time again. Brady is our future.
3 wins in 7 during which time they've played Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and the Manchester clubs isn't too bad. In fact, it's probably their best spell of the season. I just think if they're down there by March, they're not going to have much left in the tank to fight their way out.
I knew I should have added bar the last 3 of 4. They produced 3 good wins over the Christmas period but before that they were truly terrible.
That's just another MON myth, Charlie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Aston Villa did alright (for a flogged dying horse) from April onwards in the last 6/7/8 matches of each of those seasons.
In the 4 seasons he was there, twice they finished stronger, once average and once weaker.
Do you have stats to back that up?
1.5million is a big fee for a player with so little game time at his age and 2 big knee injuries. Everton paid about the same for Gibson. Be interesting to see where the better value lies. Will meyler s passing ability be good enough for a top 6 club in time?
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/...e_name=PREDICT
Gibson cost 500k but at the moment is looking like a stop-start kind of a player as he has a recurring thigh problem. I presume this is related to the recurring groin injury that he had in the past and is probably part of why he was so cheap as well as the fact that his contract was nearly up. If Meyler stays fit then he will no doubt more than repay that fee to Hull, but it is somewhat of a risk for them.
is groin a scrotum hernia?
Gibson has been superb for Everto. Look at their results with and without him.
That is some value for everton considering how good he has been for them. Think he has been out with quad injuries. 2 cruciate tears with meniscal tears is a pretty nasty injury profile. greatest predictor of future knee injuries is unfortunately a history of previous knee injuriesQuote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
You mean, do I have a link to where the stats are? How about Wikipedia? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's not rocket science research.
Start with Villas' 2009/10 season on Wikipedia and work your way backwards
3 April 2010 Bolton 0–1 Aston Villa Bolton [show]
3315 April 2010 Aston Villa 2–2 Everton Birmingham [show]
3418 April 2010 Portsmouth 1–2 Aston Villa Portsmouth [show]
3521 April 2010 Hull 0–2 Aston Villa Kingston-upon-Hull [show]
3625 April 2010 Aston Villa 1–0 Birmingham Birmingham [show]
371 May 2010 Manchester City 3–1 Aston Villa Manchester [show]
389 May 2010 Aston Villa 0–1 Blackburn Birmingham [show]
No, I asking you to make your case. The results are a bit more mixed than I remember, but two of those seasons show disastrous finishes, and two are average enough, which for a side who were outspending those around them isn't much use. Sunderland aren't outspending anyone and the squad is threadbare enough as it is.
Meyler and Brady both missing for Hull today in the FA Cup, might not have permission to play them from their parent clubs
You asked me for links to support this statement I madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
'Aston Villa did alright (for a flogged dying horse) from April onwards in the last 6/7/8 matches of each of those seasons.
In the 4 seasons he was there, twice they finished stronger, once average and once weaker.
I provided those links. You had earlier mentioned April as the fall off date, therefore I picked April onwards.
It's indisputable that Villa finished stronger in 2 out of the 4 seasons that MON was there. Those 2 finishes were better than Villas' average and in one of those seasons their position was already secure regardless, when they lost their last irrelevant match.
Their average finish in 2007/8 was not a disastrous finish, it was actually slightly better than average.
They averaged 1 83 points in each the last 6 games after April. Their season's average was 1.71
If you want to switch the goalposts, I'm not interested.
Hull are now Meyler's parent club aren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I didn't say they collapsed in April, I said they burned out towards the end of the season. In two cases they did finish reasonably well, but in two others they collapsed completely in March, on both occasions failing to win a single match during that pivotal month. I'll give you it's not as clear cut as I said it was, but I still say it's a feature of his sides. He has his preferred line-up and he doesn't make enough use of his fringe players, which results in fatigue which is generally reflected in late-season results.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'd say achieving promotion is far more important than the cup for Hull, no point in risking Meyler and Brady there, keep em for the gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
that matter.
I did not claim you said MON's team collapse in April, I said April was the date you picked for the fall-off to begin with Sunderland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's not as clear cut as you said for sure, as Aston Villa finished stronger in 3 seasons out of 4.
Your claimed 'empirical decline' of a MON team, as a feature of his teams, is a myth. It is not a feature, it happened on occasion, with Villa - 1 season in 4.
You two argue so passionately, I hesitate to think this but...there must be something more there. Something raw, forbidden.
I didn't rule out collapsing before April! My research shows they typically crash in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
2006-07: Strong finish, undefeated in final 2 months
2007-08: Mediocre finish, 3 wins from final 12 games, 2 of them against already-relegated sides
2008-09: Horrific finish, 2 wins from final 16 games, including 8 losses. Getting Newcastle relegated a redeeming feature.
2009-10: Mediocre finish, 4 wins from final 14 games (2 against already-relegated sides) including 2 cup finals,
Needless to say those Villa squads were streets ahead of this Sunderland side.