NI boss targets Republic's Gibson

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Originally Posted by bwagner

Fu*k the north the scum fans . they are so narrow minded and are nothing but a pack of sad bigots....the fact that I couldnt join their fans forum is a joke...i even e-mailed the admin....no reply at all.
Also ,Picture the scene ...myself and my girlfriend driving back from a day trip to Newcastle , we drove through Annalong in a Louth Reg car, and we were stopped by the psni because of a orange march. You would want to see the looks of complete hate we were given...Nothing to do with football true but a good encounter of what the unionists are like. (Im a member of the church of Ireland to which is the funny thing)

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Why would you want to join a Northern Ireland fans' site, with such deep hatred against them in your soul?:confused:

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Originally Posted by lopez

Forgot completely about that story. :D Trouble is, compared to some of the sh*te over the years (Neil Lennon, Neil Lennon, and er , Neil Lennon) that was a good news day.

As for Maddog, although being a bit on the simple side, still has enough gumption not to come here for a cyber rumble. Wonder if Army Groupie might stay. I hear the sewer's back working so you might have to wait another 3 1/2 years till he once more emerges, as Tuff says, from an teach mor.:rolleyes:

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Maybe if Marty sticks around he would like to tell us why they use the term beggers and where they borrowed it from( not that I really give a **** anyway about what they say), and then after that tell us how they represent all the people including Darron Gibson, and are not really a shower of Bigots.

Its a shame he didn't bring Mad dog over with him, he was a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by geysir

GSpain, the discussion has moved on
As has been repeated quite a few times in this thread since it was first mentioned, the famous Annex 2 applies to Naturalization issues only.
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...sid=92699.html
There is nothing furthur that FIFA have to add to their letter to the IFA in OCT 2006

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Annex 2 refers to exactly what it claims to refer to


ANNEX 2
ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS FOR PLAYERS WHOSE
NATIONALITY ENTITLES THEM TO REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE ASSOCIATION

You are quoting a press release from 2004 which pre-dated the Annex.

However as I pointed out in my post it has not been updated subsequent to the FIFA statutes being updated in 2006. Despite there being no significant change to Article 15 there is a legal argument that the Annex only applies to the old statutes.

FIFA have not ruled on this issue. DG is entitled to play for us as per the letter however it is not a final ruling.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Why would you want to join a Northern Ireland fans' site, with such deep hatred against them in your soul?:confused:

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The same could be said of a few of the NI fans posting on here in fairness.

Gspain as I said earlier if FIFA attempted to prevent Gibson from playing for the Republic I would chew my own legs off. It's not going to happen. The only possible success I can see the IFA getting from all this is that there may be some alteration to the rules to prevent NI born players in the future from declaring for the Republic. Even then I would think this is unlikely in the extreme.

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Originally Posted by gspain

Annex 2 refers to exactly what it claims to refer to
ANNEX 2
ELIGIBILITY TO PLAY FOR ASSOCIATION TEAMS FOR PLAYERS WHOSE
NATIONALITY ENTITLES THEM TO REPRESENT MORE THAN ONE ASSOCIATION

You are quoting a press release from 2004 which pre-dated the Annex.

However as I pointed out in my post it has not been updated subsequent to the FIFA statutes being updated in 2006. Despite there being no significant change to Article 15 there is a legal argument that the Annex only applies to the old statutes.

FIFA have not ruled on this issue. DG is entitled to play for us as per the letter however it is not a final ruling.

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Why do you think that FIFA need to rule on this? The Legal Dept. have already answered the IFA.
Keeping focussed on those lines and repeating them won't make them come true for you.
The reality is that FIFA formulated the annex2 as a guideline to arbitrate on how to deal with Naturalization issues. As is stated on the press release, the ANNEX is not for those who qualify under 15.3
The practice of FIFA players committee since then supports this 100%.
FIFA consistantly support players whoose citizenship is automatic with the application of article 15.3

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You are quoting a press release from 2004 which pre-dated the Annex

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Not so easily dismissed.
It is a press release about the FIFA congress where this annex was voted on. The direct quote about the Annex is on the minutes of the congress.
"any player who assumes a new nationality and for whom paragraph 3 of this article does not apply, or for any player who in principle would be eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association due to his nationality."
Hypothetically if there was a legal argument to the application of the Annex which FIFA have no doubt about, can you imagine FIFA doing more than clarifying the issue again.

The IFA have dug a negative PR hole for themselves on this issue.

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Ealing Green...maybe you can explain why I was turned down to join the board at ourweecountry. My username was sligo_boy....

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Livehead1, are you a victim of identity theft or impersonation? Or has all that time living amongst the Brits caused you to re-evaluate your "Irishness" and decide to support the true "Ireland" football team? (You know, the one which has existed for 127 years...).

The only reason I ask is because you seem rather keen to join an NI fans' messageboard. Which is entirely fine by me, except that another poster on this Board, using the name "Livehead1" frequently used to berate me for posting on this Board, along the lines:

"Your posts are a waste of time. You are not a Republic of Ireland soccer fan, you come onto this forum, irritating people with your remarks about our national side. This is not your national side."

OR

In response to my comment: "Of course, I am not a fan of the ROI team", your reply was:
"Then WHY BOTHER YOUR AR*E!!!! I don't go on the French football forum and start posting messages. Its not just this topic, you seem more than willing to comment on any topic that is up for debate, and consistantly slate OUR national side"

OR

"go and post ya tripe on your own forums! all you do is constantly make disparaging comments about our team, im not on about this post in particular, im on about in general. why do you bother coming on here at all?"

Note: The above three excerpts were all taken from the thread entitled: "Dermot Ahern's comments on an All-Ireland side", which I as an NI fan am not supposed even to be allowed an opinion on, according to the likes of Livehead1 - whoever that may really be...
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=616147#post616147

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Livehead1, are you a victim of identity theft or impersonation? Or has all that time living amongst the Brits caused you to re-evaluate your "Irishness" and decide to support the true "Ireland" football team? (You know, the one which has existed for 127 years...).

The only reason I ask is because you seem rather keen to join an NI fans' messageboard. Which is entirely fine by me, except that another poster on this Board, using the name "Livehead1" frequently used to berate me for posting on this Board, along the lines:

"Your posts are a waste of time. You are not a Republic of Ireland soccer fan, you come onto this forum, irritating people with your remarks about our national side. This is not your national side."

OR

In response to my comment: "Of course, I am not a fan of the ROI team", your reply was:
"Then WHY BOTHER YOUR AR*E!!!! I don't go on the French football forum and start posting messages. Its not just this topic, you seem more than willing to comment on any topic that is up for debate, and consistantly slate OUR national side"

OR

"go and post ya tripe on your own forums! all you do is constantly make disparaging comments about our team, im not on about this post in particular, im on about in general. why do you bother coming on here at all?"

Note: The above three excerpts were all taken from the thread entitled: "Dermot Ahern's comments on an All-Ireland side", which I as an NI fan am not supposed even to be allowed an opinion on, according to the likes of Livehead1 - whoever that may really be...
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=616147#post616147

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EalingGreen,

I do not intend to create a post of such length that it bores anyone who reads it. However, there is a simple reason why I wish to register on the ourweecountry site.

There are some matters that have very recently become highly relevant to that of a ROI fan. This matter is related to the eligibility or not as many believe of one of our players, Darron Gibson. A fellow member of this board posted a comment inviting others to view a thread on the above mentioned site, commenting that it was of some interest. When I attempted to view this thread, I was met with a screen asking me to register, in order to view the information. Wanting to view the information I filled in the relevant information, yet I am not allowed on the forum. I hope this answers your long winded question.

Whilst i'm on the subject of your self-righteous nature, was it not "EalingGreen" who attempted to use my signature on this forum as evidence that I was a bigot?

EG, simple question why is the username "sligo_boy" not allowed register?

cos it doesnt have the words "wee", "1982" or "we're not brazil" in it.

If Gibson has an Irish passport then he is allowed to play for the Republic of Ireland. Under the Good Friday Agreement the Irish and British governments recognised the right of people from Northern Ireland to choose Irish passports if they so desire.

I can't see FIFA getting involved with the Good Friday Agreement, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by lopez

No doubt you are referring to me when you speak of the lick - spittles here. .

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...the shortest answer to your exhaustive post is ...
-No I wasn't.

Oh mmmmercy. :D

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

EG, simple question why is the username "sligo_boy" not allowed register?

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I have absolutely no idea, since I am not a mod or anything on that site. I can't believe it is because it has "Sligo" in the title, since the Board has a number of posters who are clearly from the Republic. It also accepts names like "Celtic1967", one of our most loyal and appreciated members...

All Livehead has to do is pm "On The Kop" and he'll get an answer straight from the horse's mouth. Though it might sound like "Nay"....

(That was a joke, btw)

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Originally Posted by livehead1

EalingGreen,

I do not intend to create a post of such length that it bores anyone who reads it. However, there is a simple reason why I wish to register on the ourweecountry site.

There are some matters that have very recently become highly relevant to that of a ROI fan. This matter is related to the eligibility or not as many believe of one of our players, Darron Gibson. A fellow member of this board posted a comment inviting others to view a thread on the above mentioned site, commenting that it was of some interest. When I attempted to view this thread, I was met with a screen asking me to register, in order to view the information. Wanting to view the information I filled in the relevant information, yet I am not allowed on the forum. I hope this answers your long winded question.

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It's quite simple, really. You have frequently berated me for posting on this Board, due to the fact that I am not an ROI fan.

Yet you, clearly not an NI fan, want to register on OWC.

Those are double standards, not mitigated by your professing only to want to post on matters of interest to an ROI fan, since 90%+ of my posts on this Board (and 100% of the "controversial" ones) are on topics which are equally of interest to fans of NI football. You know, Darron Gibson's eligibility for NI/ROI, Dermot Aherne's call for the abolition of the NI side, the Irish League section etc.

Anyhow, I understand you are studying law. Should you qualify to practice, please God don't ever let me be represented by you in a Court of Law - though I'd be more than happy to see you on the other side, if your "Lionel Hutz-type" advocacy skills on this Board are anything to go by! :rolleyes:

right i want to know about our rights as posters on OWC under the good friday agreement.

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Originally Posted by livehead1

Whilst i'm on the subject of your self-righteous nature, was it not "EalingGreen" who attempted to use my signature on this forum as evidence that I was a bigot?

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I don't recall citing your signature as evidence for claiming you're a bigot and I can't be arsed checking back. So would you like to produce the evidence to back up this claim?

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Originally Posted by geysir

Why do you think that FIFA need to rule on this? The Legal Dept. have already answered the IFA.
Keeping focussed on those lines and repeating them won't make them come true for you.
The reality is that FIFA formulated the annex2 as a guideline to arbitrate on how to deal with Naturalization issues. As is stated on the press release, the ANNEX is not for those who qualify under 15.3
The practice of FIFA players committee since then supports this 100%.
FIFA consistantly support players whoose citizenship is automatic with the application of article 15.3


Not so easily dismissed.
It is a press release about the FIFA congress where this annex was voted on. The direct quote about the Annex is on the minutes of the congress.
"any player who assumes a new nationality and for whom paragraph 3 of this article does not apply, or for any player who in principle would be eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association due to his nationality."
Hypothetically if there was a legal argument to the application of the Annex which FIFA have no doubt about, can you imagine FIFA doing more than clarifying the issue again.

The IFA have dug a negative PR hole for themselves on this issue.

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I would like to see DG continue to represent us so it is not what I want here. I still see it as a very complex case which FIFA have not ruled on. they have allowed DG to play for us while a decision is being considered.

There is nothing in Article 15 of the Statutes that stops Qatar doling out passports to Brazilians which was the whole point of this.

The GFA agreement has nothing to do with this btw as NI born people were entitled to Irish passports all along.

My own belief is that the FAI case is based on nationality. DG has only one nationality eg Irish. The IFA need to argue that he is also British. This becomes a highly political argument.

I think FIFA are probably hoping there will be an agreement between the FAI and IFA which is allowed for under the rules. I can't see that happening though.

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

right i want to know about our rights as posters on OWC under the good friday agreement.

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Human rights, Roger, human...

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Originally Posted by gspain

My own belief is that the FAI case is based on nationality. DG has only one nationality eg Irish. The IFA need to argue that he is also British. This becomes a highly political argument.

I think FIFA are probably hoping there will be an agreement between the FAI and IFA which is allowed for under the rules. I can't see that happening though.

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I agree, Gspain, although I think there may be an additional aspect to FIFA's consideration of the issue, namely, protecting the rights and jurisdiction of each of its Member Associations equally.

That is, as far as FIFA are concerned, the smallest Association has the same integrity and protections within its jurisdiction as the biggest. This is why, for example, FIFA has stood up to PR China over Taipei. The IFA may argue that its own territorial integrity is being compromised by a neighbouring Association, acting on the strength of a political stance adopted by its Government i.e. anyone born in NI is automatically Irish. And irrespective of the good relations between the two Governments (London and Dublin) over political and constitutional matters, FIFA has never tolerated politicians interfering in the independence and integrity of its Members when it comes to footballing matters.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Human rights, Roger, human...

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speak for yourself EG :D