Everton and Liverpool discussion

Our first game minus the services of Tommy G and we coped much better than I anticipated. Deserved to take all three points without a shadow of a doubt. Played some great football and it really was tough luck on both Carsley and Beattie hitting the bar and post respectively. Bent displayed some excellent ball control and ran tirelessly for the 90 minutes. Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner. I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment. They're a team of big names but lack any kind of fluency in their play. The Riverside is like a morgue. Hasselbaink is an upstart and was very lucky Stubbs didn't deck him yesterday. Pool now lagging seven points behind the toffees and the future still appears to be rosy on the blue half! ;)

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Originally Posted by Dillo

Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner.

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He hit Zenden and a few Boro players though, which to Big Drunk, sorry, Dunc, is a man-of-the-match performance

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Originally Posted by Dillo

I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment.

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hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

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Originally Posted by The Green Hen

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Well they appear to be going all out to take home the Carling Cup...fielding a full strength team in their lucky 1-0 home win against Watford. T

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Well 1-0 V Watford is a lot more impressive than 0-0 V Exeter...

MU Tw*t

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You completely missed the point. It had nothing to do with the structure of the proposal. I don't care if the Thai deal was a takeover, an investment or a gift. There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

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what the hell is this fella on about now??? :rolleyes:

if anyone wants to INVEST (invest usually means putting money in and getting more out in the long term) they can put a bid forward just like in any other business on this planet.....thai people must'nt be allowed to invest in anything coz of their hardships??? Crazy talk!!!

by the way no bid from ANYONE has been accepted by LFC

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Originally Posted by Conor74

It's very very easy stuff really. I never said anything about Thai people not being allowed to invest. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Clubs are open to questions about the source of their funding. You may well find the prospect of the Thai government pumping millions into football while people starve and they have questionmarks about their human rights record grand, that's your choice. Many people would have concerns about such a proposition. In the same manner, people may have concerns about where Roman Abramovich gets his money and are perfectly entitled to question that.

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would help if you made any sense but basically what you are trying to do is somehow link Liverpool to exploiting starving people....sad :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat

hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

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Would you quit like a good l@nger! The toffees are riding high and they're there on merit. Begrudgers like you don't belong on this thread. :cool:

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

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Originally Posted by Conor74

There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

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You see, you haven't a clue what you're on about.

As soon as Liverpool became aware of, and had it confirmed, that Shinawatra intended to invest tax payers money in the club (and in turn issue share certificates to the thai people who would buy the shares), they pulled the plug straight away. Shinawatra's proposal was then taken over by Asia's biggest record company, MGM, or whatever they are called, but that too was vetoed. "The ethics of taking money from the Thai people" IS WHY Liverpool threw the deal out as soon as they realised how Shinawatra planned to fund it, so yet again, I really, like a lot of others on here, don't know what you're on about. I missed your point? What point, when you can't even get the facts right?! :rolleyes:

This is my point about you being a wind up merchant and talking rubbish all the time...

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Originally Posted by Gary

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

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Yep, it is a low, but not in a gutted way. Team selection was a disgrace, away to a side only just off the pace of the championship play-offs, so it's not a major surprise. Before the game Benitez basically said that the FA Cup was last in his list of priorities, and the team reflected that. The performance did too. Disappointed in the way he treated the FA Cup to be honest, but then again he doesn't want anymore injuries. It depends which way you look at it.

The young players played fine tonight, I thought they did well and tried hard, but the team was just too inexperienced. It was the so called more senior players that were a disgrace tonight. Hyypia was poor, but Traore/Biscan't/Nunez & Pongolle were utter rubbish. Baros put them to shame when he came on and played his heart out. If anything good is to come out of this, hopefully it will be Benitez realising that the above mentioned players, Hyypia apart, are just not Liverpool standard. We've gotton rid of one dud in Diao today, it's time to ship out 5 or 6 more asap.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Are Liverpool still the only club to receive a fine for 'tapping up'?

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No

Wheres Diao gone?

I think Pongolle is a good player. Once he finds his feet, he will be great.

Traore isnt as bad as people make out, but he certainly isnt a player worth his place in a team chasing CL qualification.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Villa were not fined, so my comment is still valid...but only just about...

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Yes your comment is valid but you know as well as I do that every club has a bit of that going on.
For Dave to come out yesterday with
"For me to be on a charge for this when I see what goes on in the game is an absolute disgrace," said O'Leary.
i mean "shady dealings" and football go hand in hand , don't they ?

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Originally Posted by Gary

Wheres Diao gone?

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Brum on loan for the rest of the season.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVERPOOL AND A T-BAG?

A T-BAG STAYS LONGER IN THE CUP! :o


What a sad and useless bunch! Feel sorry for ye at this stage. Some finish from Djimi Traore, turned 270 degrees and produced a wonderful flick past a hapless Dudek. Reminded me of Kanu's goal for Arsenal against Boro a couple of seasons back- only difference being Kanu scored for his own club. Judging by the highlights Burnley fully deserved their victory too. Benitez's post match interview was comical to say the least. What the hell was he on about??

Roll on Sunderland at Goodison! ;)

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Funny, because the reports I read indicated that it was the Thai investors who pulled out because of controversy, and not the Liverpool board who stalled the talks.

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Get us a link to these 'reports' that you read so, from legitimate sources of course. I'd certainly like to see them

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Originally Posted by Conor74

You sure you aren't allowing your hatred of all things Kerry influence you again?

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No, just your stupidity

I was going to post this earlier but didn't really want to get drawn up in this but here goes...

Conor, you talk about Liverpool basically robbing food from the mouths of the Thai people if that deal had went ahead.

Considering the Government was going to fund the deal by introducing a lottery then where is your logic to this?

To me, whether it's a poor nation or not, people would still have the right NOT to buy a lottery ticket. If they did buy one then they are taking their chances like the rest of us do with our own respective lotteries.

To me, only the people who could afford to buy a ticket would do so, so I don't see how that would be a big deal at all :confused:

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Originally Posted by Conor74

The lottery was one issue - I think the objections would have been along the lines of money raised allowed to leak out of the country when it could have gone to much better causes there.
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I see your point but really, we could say that about nearly every country.

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

I see your point but really, we could say that about nearly every country.

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all except giving it to the GAA. ;)

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Originally Posted by Conor74

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

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But we know all that already! :rolleyes: Did you not read my initial reply? I'll say it again. As SOON as Liverpool FC became aware of the Shinawatras plans, they PULLED OUT. There was a lot of stuff in the papers, including a lot of scare mongering, before Liverpool pulled out of the deal. Considering that the majority of the papers are 90% rubbish-talk and 10% fact (thats being generous), Liverpool obviously had to look into what the Thai's were actually offering before they made any decision. When it was confirmed as government money, they pulled out. Then the Thais came back with this lottery thing, but Liverpool were not interested in that either. It's the Thais who were desperate to invest, not Liverpool desperate for the Thais. It was after this that the Thai record company became involved.

At no point could Liverpool FC be accused of bad ethics, or taking from the poor. That's just laughable. How about Man U being reprimanded for being involved in a cartel that controls the price of football shirts, remember that? Now that's bad ethics. Pulling out of a deal that is not right ethically, that's good ethics - see the difference?

In any case, there were a few fan protests because the local fans did not want foreign investors having a say in the club from as far as Thailand, so it was never going to happen either way.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

or one could question what Roman exactly did to make billions when most in his country struggle to get by.

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BBC2 tonight @ 9.50, there is a documentary Sweeney Investigates about how Roman made his billions.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

The lottery was one issue - I think the objections would have been along the lines of money raised allowed to leak out of the country when it could have gone to much better causes there.

But Amnesty opposed any dealings with Shinawatra on a much more fundamental basis - because of his appalling human rights record.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=537592004

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

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LOL look lad what is it exactly you are trying to put liverpool down with?? Dodgy dealings?? taking money from the starving?? being a one man team? will ya make your mind up? Coz it looks like you wont be happy till you get it all out of your system even though every one of your arguments are hilarious and without substance we all do enjoy your rants!!!....really!!! :D