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Considering the attitude of Jonathan Roche after the game the other night I don't think this is very likely.This coupled with Michael O'Neill's attempt to blame the whole thing on the stewarding of the game leads me to believe that a tolerance of this behaviour runs right throgh the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
I have to say from the interviews I got that same feeling myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by btid1
Stewarding was about 88.5% at fault..or lack of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
I take it you were there? If Pats feel they can't afford the stewarding, they could've asked to forfeit home advantage.
What attitude?.The chap is asked to explain events that occured that are out of his hands.An away game should for him be a night off but because of pitch invaders who should know better and an at best amateur policing/stewarding of the match he is put in an impossible position.Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
Where was Pats security officer or Joe McGlue?-It was their gig after all!Why didn't they face the barage of questions from liars such as Philip Quinn and his constant referal to "glass bottles thrown"?FFS the situation is unsavoury enough without a LOI journo inserting blatant lies into the equation.
Other fans can type all the want on here,among other sites and try and get their pound of flesh(the laughable LOI section on bohs website,willing Rovers fans to be blamed as reports were coming in,dismissing any Pats involvement in a case in point),but anyone who was present on Tuesday can see that the gards and stewards are a disgrace with no plan B in place and whos whole plan A is to saturate an area with bodies,usually in the wrong place,all the time controlled by fools with supposed training from ,"Collegues across the water".
Absolute horse-****e as policing football in britain is light years ahead of here. Stewarding is a parallel universe compared to the 40 euro backhand,untrained merchants we get.To refer to them as bouncers is an insult to bouncers.
Granted Rovers fans shouldn't have entered the field of play
Granted -A section of these fans once on the pitch shouldn't have crossed the halfway line and try to confront Pats fans,but once the first instance happened the second was inevitable-Just as it was when Pats fans did something similar last season.
This situation occurs 10-20 times a season in Britain.The police and stewards are trained for such events and are able to adapt in real time.They expect this to happen in cup games/play off semis etc and usually a corden of stewards will be formed on the half way line to prevent possible confrontation.It usually works-It won't work when amateur pot bellied friends of friend are handed a bib and are paid to que up for chips all the while waiting for the final whistle so they can wrap up their rain-coat and spend their hard earned cash in the nearest boozer
No-one believed Rovers fans when we said Dundalks stewards were inadequete either.They were fined for it just as Pats will be along with us obviously.
I'll eagerly await the fans of clubs with little or no fans explaining if Rovers fans didnt invade..............etc.Its football-it happens.It shouldn't but it does and the so-called professionals are paid to deal with it-Not stand by and let in happen or worse still create the problem
While I'd agree fully that there's serious issues with both policing and stewarding at games it doesn't excuse the behaviour of a minority of idiots and despite the fact that this wasn't a particularly serious incident it's the coverage that it get's that's very likely to put off families and casual observers attending games. There has been a few obvious incidents of shambolic stewarding this season, none more so than the complete inaction of the stewards in Tallaght to the idiot confronting Gary Rodgers on the pitch.
It's tough to get people to steward games, I don't imagine any volunteer stewards want to get involved in any kind of confrontation, they just want to watch the crowd maybe catch some of the game and go home with a few euros if they're lucky, if they see the potential for physical violence they definitely won't want to be there. Handing security over to private firms is an additional cost and is likely to result in heavy handed stewarding as they're much more prepared to get physical.
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Originally Posted by btid1
True or not, that is the feeling that you get.
No need for them to get physical, pi..
A line of stewards at the Pats end at the final whistle following the "Stewards to end of match positions" announcement would've stopped it. Not the 4 stewards who were caught in the middle.
And the fact that it is invariably Shamrock Rovers FC that are involved with incidents like this at games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
I know,a large away support does have some disadvantages but I am sure amateur set-ups unable to deal with them will learn in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedendinvisibl
Yes. Because Rovers are the only club that ever bring a big away support anywhere.. makes perfect sense.
I agree with our first paragraph but re. volunteer stewards-What good are they if all they are doing is filling a rain-coat so the numbers match the directives.They either know what they have to do and are prepared to do it or they arn't.The fact that they choose to let the club keep the money they could have earned,while commendable is immaterial and in the long run only shows the FAI,the league,the gards,the security company's and the clubs to be small time and unprofessional.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
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Originally Posted by Mr A
Thanks.Could you explain it to everyone else now:)
Derry used to bring a much bigger crowd to the showgrounds than shams, and yet heavy security was never needed for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
It's lucky Bohs had a full riot squad in place in Dalymount for the other semi, given the inevitability of bottle-throwing etc when there's a large travelling support.
Cant remember "heavy security" needed for us in the showgrounds either, in my time anyway.My first visit was 1990.20 years+ trouble free in sligo.Now if that doesn't deserve a pat on the back I don't know what does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligo23
typical - excuse, excuses, excuses.
Get rid of your scumbags. There ye go, problem sorted.
Dublin derbys have a little more spice in them wouldn't you agree?Can't imagine the bohs angels being so sporting if Rovers/Pats/Shels were doing a victory jig in front of the shed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fivesilver
If its so easy why don't you're own club do something in that area.And I don't mean stopping innocent unaccompanied under 16's either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I'm not offering excuses,I am simply unwilling to accept 100% of the blame in this issue.
Shams stewards stood and watched ONE fan get on the pitch in an attempt to attack Gary Rogers, (and continued to stand watching as the players stopped the scumbag in his tracks) yet the club have the cheek to moan about St Pats stewards being unable to control the hundreds of fans on the pitch in Inchicore
typical throw it back and deflect the points being made. Ive already pointed out what we have done earlier in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
You are offering excuses. Thats all you lot ever do. Deny deny deny, excuses after excuses.
Your club should at least try to do something instead of looking to offload blame and make it out to be a nothing incident. Pathetic.
But yeah, just keep throwing it back and making excuses. That'll stop it happening again.