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OK I'll try and be somewhat balanced. Here's what seemed to have happened.

Wexford were wrong in the first place. I say Wexford because it was initially the groundsman who told Limerick to warm up on the training pitch, and not Mick. Mick was not present at the time. Limerick refused and set up cones on the match pitch. When Mick did arrive, he told them they could warm up on our training pitch.

Limerick refused to warm up on the training pitch for health and safety reasons. They felt the lighting was inadequate. Mick refused to let them warm up on the match pitch. When Mick heard that Limerick were then going to leave the ground, he gave in and allowed them to warm up on the front pitch. At this stage the Limerick management team decided it was too late to warm up and left the ground.

Did I miss anything? I purposely left out times because all we have so far is hearsay, but I have it on good enough authority (Youths player) that the match delegate noted everything and will include times in his report. There is nothing of substance in the referees report (according to same Youths player). He noted that both team sheets were handed in on time, the pitch was playable, and that when he called to the dressing rooms at 7.55 Limerick were not there.

As I said before will be interesting to see what happens. Probably fines for both sides as we were both in the wrong. Nothing much more to bicker about now anyway until we find out what the FAI choose to do.

Passinginterest pretty much has it spot on, but I assume if the referee did say that he wasn't going to warm up on the back pitch due to lighting* then he will include that in his report and it will help our case

* I say assume because I don't know if he did say that, it would be ridiculous on our part to include that in our report to the FAI if he didn't though so I'm going to assume he did

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Originally Posted by ForzaWexford

OK I'll try and be somewhat balanced. Here's what seemed to have happened.

Wexford were wrong in the first place. I say Wexford because it was initially the groundsman who told Limerick to warm up on the training pitch, and not Mick. Mick was not present at the time. Limerick refused and set up cones on the match pitch. When Mick did arrive, he told them they could warm up on our training pitch.

Limerick refused to warm up on the training pitch for health and safety reasons. They felt the lighting was inadequate. Mick refused to let them warm up on the match pitch. When Mick heard that Limerick were then going to leave the ground, he gave in and allowed them to warm up on the front pitch. At this stage the Limerick management team decided it was too late to warm up and left the ground.

Did I miss anything? I purposely left out times because all we have so far is hearsay, but I have it on good enough authority (Youths player) that the match delegate noted everything and will include times in his report. There is nothing of substance in the referees report (according to same Youths player). He noted that both team sheets were handed in on time, the pitch was playable, and that when he called to the dressing rooms at 7.55 Limerick were not there.

As I said before will be interesting to see what happens. Probably fines for both sides as we were both in the wrong. Nothing much more to bicker about now anyway until we find out what the FAI choose to do.

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Well done on being balanced. Its not easy when your club is involved. I just think there is more to this than we have all heard because for Limerick to leave the ground half an hour before kick-off is strange. My opinion on it, is that something else must have happened that hasn't been reported because I would be very dissapointed if Limerick just left a game like that. Very unprofessional either way.

http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/906/

My last post in this thread... it's going round in circles now and until more evidence comes to light there's no point really. I will see you all in the outraged thread that follows the FAI's decision on the matter. :D

So for what it's worth I don't think that Mick Wallace was playing mind games at all. In any way, shape or form. I do think that he's got major delusions of grandeur and that his refusal to allow anybody to warm up on his wonderful, beautiful Avril Lavigne-meets-Natalie Portman style pitch is arrogant, overly fussy and needless. If he is going to insist on this arrangement in future he needs to light up his back pitch. Properly. Any of the Limerick fans that were there, the referee and, initially in this thread, several of the Wexford fans (with the exception, quite vocally, of Splurge all voiced the opinion that the practice pitch wasn't lit sufficiently.

When Wallace caved at 7.30 Limerick would have been well advised to try for an 8.15 kick off or some such. Somebody suggested that they should have arrived out on the main pitch at 8 and insisted on a warm up. Something like that even. Not because they were initially in the wrong (and they really don't seem to have been) but because they were there and it would have been the progressive, positive thing to do. As it is they're the team that weren't there to kick off at 8 and that will count against them. I await the fallout with some interest. I think both clubs deserve a slap on the wrists but suspect it won't play out that way.

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Originally Posted by jebus

Passinginterest pretty much has it spot on, but I assume if the referee did say that he wasn't going to warm up on the back pitch due to lighting* then he will include that in his report and it will help our case

* I say assume because I don't know if he did say that, it would be ridiculous on our part to include that in our report to the FAI if he didn't though so I'm going to assume he did

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All I'll say (again) Jebus, is that it is unlikely the referee REFUSED to warm up on the back pitch because he wouldn't have been asked to do so. Match officials ALWAYS warm up on the main pitch, along the perimeter.

I'm tired of this but can't wait until the exact circumstances come out. Then, I'll return

thats an interestin precadent on cork city bohs in 1995... can any eircom league fans confirm what was the punishment for that postponed match??:confused:

Derry City 0-1 Celtic [Reserves*]

*Derry fans not happy with the team Celtic sent over, Gordon Strachan didn't even come over. Willie McStay and Neil Lennon managed the Celtic side.

Team was: Mark Brown, Paul Caddis, Ryan Conroy, Massimo Donati, Glen Loovens, Darren O'Dea, Koki Mizuno, Mark Crosas, Ben Hutchinson, Paul McGowan, Paddy McCourt (C)
Subs: Jason Marr, Scott Fox (GK), Mark Millar, Simon Ferry, Kevin Cawley, Danny Lafferty

Hadn't Celtic promised their first team for that one?. I'd imagine there'd be a bit of annoyance up there if so, especially if tickets were dearer than normal.

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

Hadn't Celtic promised their first team for that one?. I'd imagine there'd be a bit of annoyance up there if so, especially if tickets were dearer than normal.

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25pound for a Celtic reserve match:eek:

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Derry City 0-1 Celtic [Reserves*]



Team was: Mark Brown, Paul Caddis, Ryan Conroy, Massimo Donati, Glen Loovens, Darren O'Dea, Koki Mizuno, Mark Crosas, Ben Hutchinson, Paul McGowan, Paddy McCourt (C)
Subs: Jason Marr, Scott Fox (GK), Mark Millar, Simon Ferry, Kevin Cawley, Danny Lafferty

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For all the names in bold, who?!
Was Paddy McCourt captain just because it was in Derry, yeah?

That must have been a pain in the arse if they were promised a strong Celtic team.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

25pound for a Celtic reserve match:eek:

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Total rubbish. Most boring match I've ever been to, especially the second half. Recriminations continuing on Derrycitychat.com as I type.

What was the attendance for Derry-Celtic?

They had promised us 4 first teamers for the Shels Celtic game we played a few months ago. Were to tell us in the week leading to the game so as we could advertise it.

Of course they sent nobody anyone would know over.

Just lucky we didn't make a loss on that match!!
Shower of arseholes.

Looking after themselves getting a half decent game for their reserves is all.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

25pound for a Celtic reserve match:eek:

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Forkin hell. A bit of goodwill lost for Celtic amongst the Derry fans methinks.

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Originally Posted by Martinho II

thats an interestin precadent on cork city bohs in 1995... can any eircom league fans confirm what was the punishment for that postponed match??:confused:

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It was replayed at a later date

(I actually posted the link to said video a couple of pages back)

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Originally Posted by oldyouth

All I'll say (again) Jebus, is that it is unlikely the referee REFUSED to warm up on the back pitch because he wouldn't have been asked to do so. Match officials ALWAYS warm up on the main pitch, along the perimeter.

I'm tired of this but can't wait until the exact circumstances come out. Then, I'll return

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I am with L37 on this having read all the posts, the chairman/owner/manager of a club shouldn't be allowed to dictate to an opposing team how or where they can or can't carry out their pre-match routine, nor should he have hinted at some ulterior motive for L37 not wanting to fulfill the fixture.
Do match officials have to get permission from Mr Wallace to carry out their pre-match inspection of the main pitch. They should be allowed to warm up on the pitch itself and not forced to jog along the perimieter. Are the opposing management and team barred from walking the pitch prior to KO as is customary at other LOI grounds. As mentioned before pre-match warm up routines aren't going to cause long term damage to the pitch. As for the more bad publicity for League, I disagree as it has often been said there is no such thing as bad publicity.

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Originally Posted by DonO'Bate

I am with L37 on this having read all the posts, the chairman/owner/manager of a club shouldn't be allowed to dictate to an opposing team how or where they can or can't carry out their pre-match routine, nor should he have hinted at some ulterior motive for L37 not wanting to fulfill the fixture.
Do match officials have to get permission from Mr Wallace to carry out their pre-match inspection of the main pitch. They should be allowed to warm up on the pitch itself and not forced to jog along the perimieter. Are the opposing management and team barred from walking the pitch prior to KO as is customary at other LOI grounds. As mentioned before pre-match warm up routines aren't going to cause long term damage to the pitch. As for the more bad publicity for League, I disagree as it has often been said there is no such thing as bad publicity.

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odd that this whole thing has given me a greater appreciation for Galway Utd :confused:

I dont recall either Cobh or Limerick having any grievances about warming up on the astro turf, where there is hardly enough room to swing a cat never mind warm up, in Whitehall when both played Dublin City. And both club's keepers had to warm up on the adjacent VEC GAA pitch which I can honestly say is a deathtrap. Surely these are bigger health and safety issues than warming up on a perfect pitch with 'decent lights'?

Rovers 2-2 Bray

Meh.