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The Bohs have got no moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
We drink cans in a tree
~20 mins from where motorway starts on east side of city. Just a few mins from Athenry on opposite side of motorway.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
Would the new ting road make a difference ?
was wondering where it was as was on a bus from longford to galway to see my nephew play at Mervue.. went past Athenry so it must be on loughrea side of it. was in mervues ground today some setup they have. pity the relationship with mervue, galway utd and salthill didnt work out!Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
Catherine Byrne is a TD, and rightly or wrongly, she doesn't have much clout within FG and I would say will be finished as a TD in the next Dail.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
We're really unlucky in DSC that the type of politician that the area needs as the Alternative TD - a Boyd Barrett, Ruane etc, just isn't there with Joan Collins and O'Snodaigh. A Pats stadium isn't on their agenda, whereas Brid Smith has focussed heavily on the other social issues, with some success.
Lee Power on WLR FM just before tonight's final home game of the season stated that he is working with Waterford City Council to further add/develop the RSC.
Sitting in trees would still be a better experience than the oriel park 'away' section :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
10 days later.....Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
ya should have replied bout 4am just to keep the hipperish vibe going man! ;)
Just wondering what the story is with Oriel Park. I know that before Peak 7 became involved with the club there was money in the bank and plans to develop parts of the ground. I seem to remember Peak 7 saying they had no plans to develop the ground in the short term, which seems a bit odd when you consider how well they are doing on the field and with the revenue they have. Anyway just wondering if there there are any concrete plans for the ground in the long term, what they are, and how Dundalk fans feel about the lack of investment off the field ?
See Bohs fans we can sell our club twice too - Peak6 and Peak7!!!
There are no concrete plans that we know for sure. The YDC is being upgraded for supporter facilities and as 'high perfromance' centre for the team with sports science and video analysis at the centre of that. There fans in the know type stuff on gradual improvements ala temporary stand behind the town goal running to extenstion of the existing of the stand yr 3-5 but there is nothing to say this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by pesky
Fan are not happy at all with Oriel Park not being factored in to the development of the club. There are many many basic things that can be done that would improve things and are not bank balance breakers - some fans would be happy to see a lick of paint and proper clean and functional toilets at the very minimum and there is no excuse for not doing this.
This is the first close season under Peak6 ownership so we might see things happening. Prior to this we didnt have any of the financial clout of Peak6 for either player signings or any other improvements. So the next 100 days or so are being very carefully watched by Dundalk fans.
There are very good reasons not to do it if you've bought a football club to make money out of European progression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
How will new toilets or a lick of paint help Dundalk reach the group stages again ? Especially when if they did those games wouldn't be played at Oriel Park anyway.
This is the downside of having owners who are in it for the money. New toilets and paint would be small beer to them. But if you've bought a football club to make money, you'll focus your time and resources on the things that will maximise that return. That means players, not paint and bogs. Everything else is a distraction from your game plan.
The basic things could have been done last winter, or during the season just gone. I don't see why see why think there's be a new lick of paint or whatever at Oriel before next season.
Well some basic things were done such as drainage and resurfacing works behind the goal. There was a lot of painting that went on as well so that is probably why people expect more of this to be doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I know with ourselves that our supporters club would fundraise to get painting done and other things ie scoreboard. maybe thats the key let the board deal with infrastucture improvements and the supporters club can deal with the rest of improvements.
Harder to get the necessary goodwill to do that when you’ve been taken over by a group of millionaires with no real connection to the club.
The club earned millions in Europe and we're bought by a multi million euro company. It would be a bit cheeky to ask fans to fund raise for a bit of paint!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
no what i mean is with us supporters club members pay a tenner each season and supporters club committee would also do the fundraising themselves with profits from various activities ie car boot sales going to the clubQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
It really is about the small things to bring people into grounds and keep them there.
Top sides are fortunate that probably a lot of people will hop on the bandwagon for a night out but getting the basics right like decent toilets and aesthetics is vital.
I think clubs with a bar have a massive advantage.
Wonder would Cork think of getting in something as minimal as a chip van type bar that would top off what is already a fantastic ground and match day experience.
Bars are critical for income, and I was always surprised Cork didn’t look at building one with the help of the MFA, but I do realise there is limited space in their ground, with most of the stands having same limiations underneath.
Dundalk could have 3 supporters bars up and running next season if their plans to upgrade the YDC go ahead, the owners were talking last month about changing the routine where most fans arrive 10 mins or so before KO to improve their ‘match day experience’ and having one open for use in the YDC would cater for that whole shed side in terms of toliets and better food options, they even talked about pre and post match entertainment.
Would still love to see some spectator remedial work done, the town side of the stand looks dreadful, a lick of paint would change it, and if they won’t spend big money elsewhere, install a damn roof on both sides of the stand, and block off the back of the away area, build proper toilets, it wouldn’t completely fix the problem but it would help things and it wouldn’t cost the earth, neither would a Pats style semi-perm stand behind the town goal, even without a roof.
I think creating a match day experience ie bar open at 5pm, music on before and after is a fantastic idea and opening the YDC would definitely increase income as it’s a nightmare trying to get across from the shed to the Lilywhite for a pint. Bar did a killing at the European game this year when it was open and as you said, nice to have proper toilets to useQuote:
Originally Posted by oriel
http://www.extratime.ie/articles/220...medium=twitter
Plans for a new stand and improvements to the main stand in Tallaght have been put forward and seem to have been well received.
Has the recently built stand officially been opened yet or will that happen at the start of the new season?
No it hasn't been opened yet. Probably happen in pre season or first game of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
It would be fantastic to have such a stadium associated with the league but I wonder what the justification is for a 4th stand? What was the justification for the 3rd stand? At a time when homelessness and the health service are major issues I'm surprised it's being supported. Also the article mentions SDCC using the Governments major sports infrastructure fund, again what is the justification for this given there are so many dilapidated stadiums around the league?Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
I don't expect you to have all these answers btw.
I take your point but its the same justification as building Dalymount or indeed Croke Park or the Aviva, if we don't build anything in this country until everyone has a house and there are no waiting times in hospitals we will never build anything.
That sounds very harsh and i don't mean it too but genuinely a stadium like this has to be a massive positive for the league and its not like every other sport from horceracing to Greyhounds isnt out there.
I think a major part of the justification is that recently it was taking rather long to get served prosecco & caviar during half time in the Glenmalure Suite. Adding another floor above the Glenmalure Suite in the main stand will further enhance the match day experience; providing for faster access to alcohol and refreshments, more comfortable surroundings for potentially very thirsty hoops, and just a nice cosy area to recharge for the second half. A welcome bonus is that the new floor might have windows to view proceedings in the warmth of an indoor setting. Might never need to venture out into the cold at all! Very much needed and long overdue in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
As for another stand? Desperately needed. I can only speak for myself when I say I felt felt quite claustrophobic during some of the bigger games, having only one seat free beside me with which to hang my faux fur coat on was an absolute 'mare. As well as additional space, it will finish the stadium off, ease that dreadful northerly draught, and make for a more splendid spectacle.
Projections estimate it will be used once every three blue moons, so definitely a valuable addition and will earn the club extra money for big matches. Besides, 10k seater just seems like a more round, nicer figure than 8k seater. You cant have enough lego seats.
I don't disagree with that, I'm just surprised it seems to be getting the go ahead so easily, probably because I'm so used to LOI related infrastructure plans derailing. Lets hope other CC's take note and are as successful with approval and fundingQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Maybe they have another main tenant who can make better use of all these new facilities in their sights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
Dundalk re branding as Tallaght Oriels or Leinster Lilywhites?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Anyway , good for SDCC in having a bit of ambition in developing sports facilities to a high standard.
one of their facilities. from my playing days (not that long ago) there was hardly a changing room facility at a SDCC owned pitch anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
DLRCC and DCC were miles ahead and id say its still the same today
Yeah exactly. Here's hoping the other CC's take note of what can be done. It has no doubt encouraged DCC to take a hands-on approach to developing their own rival facility on the northside in the form of Dalymount.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
It's a completely separate budget so I guess the justification is we have it now let's use it and get the foot firmly in the door before Dalymount as the 4th stand will put tallaght at a bigger capacity than Dalymount can reach and mean its in a very reasonable "complete" state so SDCC could make a very good case for being the home of the u21s and womens teams since Dalymounts only claim over them would be the mens first team played there 30 years ago and its closer to the City.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
As for the sports infrastructure fund, its pretty much everyone for themselves with that, SDCC can't apply but say "but if Dundalk apply and aren't successful and we are give them the money instead". The question you're asking is better aimed at the people in charge of the fund than the applicants
The sports capital funding is allocated by government so ringfenced. Whether the amount, which I think is paltry tbh, is ethical considering the housing shortage is a big debate in itself. One of the errors of the past was to have major housing developments without proper amenities included. Justification of having a proper stadium built by SDCC i'm sure is that they feel that it will generate significant income in due course. We should be lauding SDCC's vision and ambition on this project and should be something that is referred to for other local authorities to follow, especially if done in a manner where beyond the initial capital outlay that such facilities add to the council's coffers. It's not just the income that these facilities can generate though but the opportunity for contributing a focal point for these societies, improving social inclusion etc, there are lots of intangible benefits!
It's very true that this funding is available for anybody to apply to. Having a successful application where a project isnt piecemeal should be Local Authority led. This would lessen the duplication of projects whereby one fully completed project should happen rather than a number of bitty facilities. GAA projects are the worst for this where the parochial nature of that organisation leads to clubs genuinely building unnecessary stands or 'community centres' sometimes only a few KM's apart but none funded to the extent where the facilities are actually complete so they can properly contribute the the improved quality of that community after being done under a restrictive budget.
I dont know why Dundalk are not applying for these grants annually though im presuming that there might be reasons - I do know that there have been regular meetings between Louth County Council and the club so there is probably something in the pipeline. I would think that these meetings are less to do with being part of a completely new stadium project and more to do with ironing out any possible planning issues so that when grant applications are made followed by planning applications that the grant can be drawn down and not be lost due to any planning restrictions (the wedge of grant money wasted on changing the new Finn Park is a good example for why this is needed). The attitude of LCC is shown pretty loud in the way that the County Ground project has now stalled even though funding has been secured. Alternatively they are right behind the redvelopment of the Lourdes Stadium in Drogheda for Drogheda United. There are a lot of advantages of getting United Park vacated for the HSE to be able to use that land. Ideally moving O'Raghallaighs GFC (and that excuse for a County Ground) which backs on to United Park would allow OLOL hospital expand to be fit for purpose rather than being landlocked as it is now. It is this that has LCC willing to be proactive in a stadium development for DUFC.
All stadium development for LoI should be seen in nothing but a positive light. GAA and IRFU have had the greatest slice of sports capital funding for decades so it is time for football and athletics to get facilities funding. Actually there is an example here where the Dalymount project can be questioned, taking away the sentimental attachment to Dalymount for football fans, it would make more sense to me to develop Morten Stadium fully and could accomodate Bohs and Shels while also being a proper home for Irish athletics also. That wont go down too well with Bohs fans but the potential is there to consolidate funding in to one project and make a really top job of it. But DCC and FCC are unlikely to want to groundshare if you pardon the pun.
Without an overall strategy from the FAI on stadium development we will continue to have new one stand 'improvements' like Athlone, half built one stand grounds like in Stranrolar and indeed Tallaght still if it wasnt for SDCC intervention. Any improvements that have been made over the last deacde or 2 have been despite of the FAI and not because of. So it grinds my gears when you see Delaney alluding to Turners Cross, Brandywell, Showgraounds, Tallaght as an achievement or committment to the league. DCC will develop Dalymount and the suits in the FAI will roll up on its opening clapping themselves on the back.
Have Dundalk applied for any State funding to improve Oriel Park ?, be surprised if they didn't. I think I read somewhere that the new stand behind the goal in Tallaght cost in the region of €2 million, surely Dundalk could afford that with all the money they have banked over the last few years and with Champions League to come again next season. A new stand like that at Oriel Park would make a massive difference. Personally if I was a Dundalk fan I would be pretty annoyed with the lack of any infrastructural investment or at least future development plans or commitments from the club in working towards improving the ground.
Dundalk fans are pretty annoyed that even some painting hasnt been done. We hope that the regular meetings with Louth County Council means that there is something in the pipelines. I doubt it would be in conjunction with LCC, but the meetings could be to iron out any potential preplanning issues.
Would Louth Co Co not just turn around and say to those fans " get your owners to do up the ground- they have the money"?
Probably, if the meetings were with fansQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
See Nesta's post above
Usually the way it works is the county council (any of them) will turn around and say "you have money - would you like more?"Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Im not sure what your angle is on this is really. That Rovers are 50% owned by a very wealthy vulture fund it could be argued that SDCC should ask Rovers (part) owners to pony up as they have the money also!?Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual