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Gary Neville did something similiar. Utd fans loved him, Liverpool fans loathed him. Slight difference in that Neville didn't have much previous. Pulis's post match comments nailed it. James is not the smartest tool in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
After the good grace he had built up with GypsyBlackCat.....
I agree. Couldn't believe when I saw it on MOTD last night what all the fuss was about. The game is becoming so bloody santised. His reputation goes before him on this one but it's not like he went over and goaded the fans. Not advisable but it should be acknowledged that he was subject to abuse from the away fans for the entire game. Unfortunately he has made himself a target for such abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Worst thing is that McClean's name gets the headline. Graham confronting him was what caused the media stir. But he'll hardly gain a mention in the media because the English media loves a good James McClean story. Newcastle's Danny Graham will hardly garner a mention. Sure he wears a poppy when he's told.
I'd say myself and Joe are in the minority so. As it stands, I have no time for him, and think he's a clown of the highest order. Sectarian abuse? Ask my posterior. The abuse the African lads get is proper abuse, and it's rare in the majority for them to react.
McClean's a fool who loves the attention.
Danny Graham looks like some knob all the same... especially as he's being held back there at the end, the proper English hard man's "come on den, come on den" approach, safe in the knowledge that nothing is actually going to happen.
To be fair you could apply that to nearly every race of man. Knuckle-draggers isn't that what they're referred to?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Probably, but it's an absolute way of life from what I've witnessed over there. I always thought of it as small c0ck syndrome but knuckle-draggers fits the bill for sure.
Much ado about nothing. If fans boo a player all game they can't get upset if the player makes a pretty mild expression of pleasure back. Graham started the aggravation. In general I'd agree with Kingdom but I think some incidents need to be kept in perspective.
a) it's not a competition - somebody else getting worse abuse does not make his reaction any more or less unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
b) regardless of how rare or otherwise it is for other people to react, doesn't make McClean's reaction any more or less unreasonable.
He gave a fist pump in the general direction of some idiots who were giving him dog's abuse. Anybody who takes it out of that slightly ridiculous context is the fool for me.
McClean gets FA punishment
(Note; FA meaning f**k all) :p
Just as I wrote, McClean has no case to answer.
Go easy Kingdom, Graham probably has a mother who loves him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Your comparison is way out of the mark and almost reads that a good little black player is one who doesn't react to racist abuse. And "proper abuse"? what's proper abuse? Ethnic bigoted foul abuse directed at an Irishman isn't proper abuse?Quote:
Sectarian abuse? Ask my posterior. The abuse the African lads get is proper abuse, and it's rare in the majority for them to react
I suppose Kirk Broadfoot would agree with you :)
Actually if a black player reacted to racial abuse with a gentle fist pump post game, would that attract censure from you?
Do you think the abuse Mido received from Newcastle fans wasn't proper abuse, that (similar to what McClean received) foul, sectarian, ethnic based abuse directed at Mido was not real abuse? That if post match, Mido had made some mild gesture to the abusers post he should be censured and no action taken against the opposition players who aggressively surrounded him and no action taken against the bigoted opposition fans?
The McClean syndrome in England is similar to what Lennon faced in Scotland, similar in that people who were not the most educated or socially aware, blamed Lennon for the abuse and if there was abuse, they opined that it wasn't bigoted/sectarian in nature that needed to be sanctioned because it was just directed at a hateful, wee angry red head, irish nationalist Lennon, who aggravated fans and was responsible for the abuse he received.
Thankfully there have been some shifting of attitude towards that type of redirected racism.
The Sunderland players should have been rapped on the knuckles, video evidence of those Sunderland fans should have been scrutinised and a few of the loud mouth should be selected for criminal action or/and sporting related sanctions.
And yes McClean will have to depend on authorities taking action like they did against Broadfoot and gaining support in different ways.
It would be ridiculous if he missed a game for celebrating in somebody's general direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBench
He did get a formal warning though, so they obviously saw it as unwelcome, unsavoury, provocative or whatever. I would assume if he does the same thing again the punishment will be greater, so it's not as if they've looked at it and condoned his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=16535.450
WBA forum seems to be coming down in favour of McClean, in general.
Again, this perception that he's an IRA supporter because he likes a "pro-IRA" song crops up... That's getting a bit tiresome. But it's a lovely stick for the ignorant to beat him with to help satisfy their own agendas.
A somewhat 'mixed' reaction on the Sunderland forum :D
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/mcclean.1148121/
Actually he even has some support there
The thread is is interesting to read, not that I have read it all, there are incredibly of 1000 replies in it since the incident, that is some going!!Quote:
Our fans were abusing him the whole game so they shouldnt cry about it if he does the same.
To put that in perspective that is about the same number as the total posts in O'Shea Doyle's or Clark's treads!
Another post from the Sunderland forum.
Granted some of the posts are somewhat more hostile, but overall the incident has done him more good than harm.Quote:
We slaughtered him for 90 mins and he gave a bit back.
Tbh if you can't take a bit of stick back, don't dish it out.
This one made me laugh though.
:DQuote:
I have got a problem with some overpaid arsehole goading our fans at the final whistle over a win that the ref gave them, and then ignoring his manager calling him "not the sharpest tool in the box" by posting a picture of him doing that on Twitter
I see Black Cat Gypsy is over there talking nonsense about nobody wanting Derry City in the LOI, as if he has a clue about anything LOI fans want. It's fine pretending to be a Bohs fan on here but it's a bit rich doing it elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I see that got 55 likes so there is some degree of sanity over there. Gas the way some others mention Graham and Catts "sorting him"!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I've come to the conclusion that Gypsy Black Cat doesn't even really know what he's saying himself. Some of the stuff said on that Sunderland forum would make you wince.