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You're even disputing facts now. Andrews started 8 out of 15 games for West Brom (1 out of the last 5) and Green played RB and RM for Derby. Trying to justify Green coming on is hilarious. I'm not sure I've seen anyone attempt it, even those who don't rate Gibson and vehemently disagree with his stance but I've seen it all now.
You're right, I was wrong about Andrews. Green was playing midfield for Derby - if he played RB it was as emergency cover. I'm not justifying bringing Green on, I'm just saying the logic was fairly clear. We were being completely overrun and Green is quick and energetic, if limited, as he showed against Sweden.
Charlie. You're approaching ridiculous...
After returning from injury Green started 28 games for Derby. 10 at RB and 18 at RM so he didn't even play CM at all that season bar 1 sub appearance for Derby and 2 for Ireland. Any way you spin it and whatever the circumstances, deciding to play Green in CM ahead of Gibson is the opposite of logic.
Trap, notoriously capricious and often illogical. It's pretty difficult to determine a pecking order with the likes of Gibson, Green, McCarthy, Hoolahan at some point last summer based on a guy who appears to pick his starting strikers (barring Robbie) out of a hat.
Fraid I don't have any truck with Darron defenders. Being hard done by is having your reputation tarnished through mangled English and misunderstanding (Long, Wilson, McCarthy) not throwing an international career risking strop because you didn't get five minutes at the end of a Spain thrashing.
Worth bearing in mind the current manager made Gibson a key squad figure at a time when most Irish fans thought he was a joke.
The DJ printed a quote from a source about Darron's feelings after the Euros. There was nothing sensational or revealing in the quote, most everybody knew that Gibson was 'unhappy'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Who wasn't unhappy btw?
Since then he has gone into exile, Trap has called him into the squad a number of times. Trap is stubborn about a lot of things but on this matter he has been prepared to let bygones be gone, just like he has after McClean and others had their tantrums.
What would Gibson have offered in those final ten minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Is there some kind of point or question in here somewhere? Why have you quoted me?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Normally one quotes a post or part of a post, when one is replying to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
You appeared to suggest there was something of significance to the 'source close to Darron' quote from the Derry Journal after the Euros, afair there isn't anything of significance.
But if you can provide a link, I'll be happy to reconsider.
Really. Well if that's the case then you would know that my post was in response to Charlie Darwin saying, sarcastically perhaps that ""A source" seems to know what he's thinking." I haven't added any significance at all to it. It is what it is.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I had rather assumed that "a source" was either Darron or his agent, as they usually are in these cases.
Fair enough. Either way I was simply clarifying where that quoted source came from.
Then what is it? AFAIR, it was a nothing quote after the Euros from a source close to Darron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
According to the Derry Journal, a source close to Gibson said that while the midfielder enjoyed playing for his country, he was uncertain of his place in the squad.
“It’s not as if the team was winning games," the source told the Derry Journal. "He felt he could contribute but the shame was, he didn’t get a chance.
“Right now, Darron doesn’t know where he stands with [Giovanni] Trapattoni. He loves playing for Ireland but the manager doesn’t seem to believe in him.
Yes, I posted that earlier. What is your problem?
Ball retention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Who would he have passed it in order to retain the ball, James McClean?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
If you're being completely overrun what will calm things down better? Someone who can receive the ball and find a pass or a headless chicken with the touch of a rapist?
Neither?
No. Darron Gibson.
I just like to make sure of the distinction, between a quote that a journalist gives some credence to and anonymous silly nonsense from a 'friend of a friend' source about how Trap almost raped Gibson, humiliated him and disrespected him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
And to think Gibson was a Man U player under Ferguson, once upon a time:)
Fwiw, Trap's comments about Gibson needing to work harder to get his place on the Man U team (which Gibson had a hissy fit about) were spot on and most every Man U fan thought so.
Right now, I don't put much value on Gibson's ability to take 'advice' in the spirit it was given. I can accept he has fallen out beyond repair with Trap. But on his falling out, I have zero sympathy with his decision and I don't hold Trap at all responsible for Gibson being in exile. In fact, Trap has done more that other managers would do by asking him again and again to reconsider his exile.
I certainly wanted to see Gibson start in the Euros after seeing him in the friendlies but it's an international funeral of his own making now.