Eligibility Rules, Okay

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08/02/2012, 12:47 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Apologies, I thought you were born in Northern Ireland - on reflection, there's maybe a clue in your username.

It would also explain your lack of knowledge of British Citizenship laws, as applicable to people born in the United Kingdom.

Such laws apply extra-territorially and are imposed not merely upon those born north of the border, I'll have you know. Them Brits even try to claim the likes of my Donegal-born self through my Tyrone-born father, a man who's never held a British passport nor identified as British in his life.

See, it's not just Irish nationality law that has extra-territorial effect; it just combines the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis when operating in relation to the whole island of Ireland whereas the citizenship laws of most other states apply extra-territorially on a mere jus sanguinis basis.

Congrats to your son, by the way. I'm sure that'll prove a fantastic stepping stone to greater things in the future. If you get my drift. ;)
08/02/2012, 1:01 PM
DannyInvincible

By the way, I don't suppose anyone would have access to yesterday's Irish News and a scanner? I've been reliably informed that the letter I sent in relation to Diane Dodds' comments in the European Parliament on player eligibility appeared on page 26. I've been unable to get a copy of the paper over here and attempts to request a scan from home have proved fruitless.
08/02/2012, 2:23 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

See, it's not just Irish nationality law that has extra-territorial effect; it just combines the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis when operating in relation to the whole island of Ireland whereas the citizenship laws of most other states apply extra-territorially on a mere jus sanguinis basis.

It's also significant to note that even though Ireland (Republic of) is no longer a British dominion, it is not treated as a foreign country for the purposes of British law.....which is kind of interesting given the common OWC complaint that these players are indeed turning out for a foreign country.http://foot.ie/images/smilies/wink.gif
08/02/2012, 3:24 PM
Predator

Recently confirmed, after a suspicion, that Derry's newest recruit Rory Patterson is another player worthy of consideration in the eligibility discussion.

According to this (unreliable) report of an unofficial game, in 2002, Patterson was part of an U19 IFA squad: http://www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/page/New...176226,00.html

Then in 2003, he was set to play for the FAI U19s in the Euros before injury struck: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBA...k.-a0101607473

I'm not sure if he ever played for the FAI, however, but those pesky souls at the IFA poached him back anyway!
08/02/2012, 4:32 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Anyway, here's a link for NB. which seems right up his street?

http://www.ulsternation.org.uk/ulster.htm

How would a site, set up by a couple of crackpots, promoting the idea of an Independent "Ulster" State, be "right up my street" - I'm an unashamed Unionist?

PS. A measure of the support enjoyed by the crackpot founders of that site is that it hasn't been updated for going on 5 years.

:rolleyes:
08/02/2012, 4:36 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by geysir

Regardless, whether a person does or does not revoke a real (or imagined) citizenship is totally irrelevant

In the context of a discussion on Eligibility, it is wholly relevant.

Without having "real" British Citizenship, you cannot play for the IFA international representative sides.

What do you think made McClean, Duffy et al eligible to play for Northern Ireland?
08/02/2012, 4:51 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Predator

Well done to the boy. You must be very proud.
Out of interest what age group and competition is that? We'll dispatch the team of FAI scouts with their nets to "whisper sweet nothings" into his ear. :p

Northern Ireland Fans' Team

Competition: Euro Fans 2012
Venue: Lviv, Ukraine
When: last weekend in June - to coincide
with Final of Euro 2012.
Format: 24 national teams from throughout Europe - 8 groups of 3. Top 2 in each group
into knockout stages.
Age Group: Our Team - 17 (my lad) to 53.

I think the South have a team participating - I hope we draw them.

Looking forward to it.
08/02/2012, 4:56 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Such laws apply extra-territorially and are imposed not merely upon those born north of the border, I'll have you know. Them Brits even try to claim the likes of my Donegal-born self through my Tyrone-born father, a man who's never held a British passport nor identified as British in his life

I know quite a few people from Donegal who would like British Citizenship, but are denied it.

UK Nationality Laws do not extend to giving Citizenship, as a birthright, to everyone born on the territory of a constituent region of another Sovereign State.
08/02/2012, 5:23 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by The Fly

...or alternatively, get him to sign up to foot.ie and we can chew the collective fat over here. ;)

Prior to a meeting he was attending in Dublin in November to discuss the "eligibility issue", Gary wrote to me requesting my thoughts re: the main issues that need to be highlighted.

I gave him seven headings for consideration.

The first heading was that attempts by the IFA to deny the right of a Citizen of the Republic Of Ireland to play international football for the Republic Of Ireland had resulted in a PR disaster for the IFA, which, in turn, had served to further alienate players and potential supporters from the Nationalist community in Northern Ireland.

I firmly believe this to be the case.

What's more, I know that individuals charged with enhancing community relations within the IFA, believe it to be the case as well.

I'll not be revealing the other six headings, so don't ask.:D
08/02/2012, 5:39 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I know quite a few people from Donegal who would like British Citizenship, but are denied it.

Like Willie Hay...
08/02/2012, 6:05 PM
The Fly

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Like Willie Hay...

fhtb will be loving that.

(OWC in-joke)
08/02/2012, 6:11 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by The Fly

fhtb will be loving that.

(OWC in-joke)

I want in!
08/02/2012, 6:22 PM
Predator

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Prior to a meeting he was attending in Dublin in November to discuss the "eligibility issue", Gary wrote to me requesting my thoughts re: the main issues that need to be highlighted.

I gave him seven headings for consideration.

This is an interesting development. You are Gary's confidant? :)

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Originally Posted by The Fly

fhtb will be loving that.

(OWC in-joke)

Ah fhtb. If ever there was a case of 'lunatics running the asylum'.
08/02/2012, 6:31 PM
Not Brazil

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Originally Posted by Predator

This is an interesting development. You are Gary's confidant?

He asks many people for their opinions on a wide range of issues pertaining to the Northern Ireland Intenational teams.

Some he'll agree with, some he won't.
08/02/2012, 6:33 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I know quite a few people from Donegal who would like British Citizenship, but are denied it.

I'm aware of a few myself. They can have mine if they want. I have no plans to use it. :p

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UK Nationality Laws do not extend to giving Citizenship, as a birthright, to everyone born on the territory of a constituent region of another Sovereign State.

That's true, but there's nothing less legitimate about that in the context of Irish nationality law.
08/02/2012, 6:35 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

I want in!

I'm pretty certain 'fhtb' stands for 'Finn Harps True Blue'. I believe he's a born-and-bred Donegal OWCer.
08/02/2012, 6:44 PM
Charlie Darwin

Shouldn't the campaign by to stop Football Apartheid in Northern Ireland? FANI (choose your own pronunciation) for short.
08/02/2012, 6:47 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Shouldn't the campaign by to stop Football Apartheid in Northern Ireland? FANI (choose your own pronunciation) for short.

Indeed. The logical conclusion to demanding an end to supposed "footballing apartheid" in Ireland would surely be the advocation of an all-island team.
08/02/2012, 6:52 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Indeed. The logical conclusion to demanding an end to supposed "footballing apartheid" in Ireland would surely be the advocation of an all-island team.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xcYBfp-Td0...n-of-worms.jpg
08/02/2012, 6:54 PM
Sullivinho

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Shouldn't the campaign by to stop Football Apartheid in Northern Ireland? FANI (choose your own pronunciation) for short.

Stop FANI? That has Catholic conspiracy written all over it.

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