In the US any player who is not in his rookie year is considered "a veteran." Its silly, I know, to have 20 year old "veterans" in the NBA. I was a vet at 19 for the Penguins, too since i started playing for them at 18. Now that I think about it.
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In the US any player who is not in his rookie year is considered "a veteran." Its silly, I know, to have 20 year old "veterans" in the NBA. I was a vet at 19 for the Penguins, too since i started playing for them at 18. Now that I think about it.
I would've been a veteran for the Mighty Ducks but I fell out with the manager and he had my wings clipped ;P
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Originally Posted by Crosby87
Come again...
His username is Crosby, the guy with the concussion problems for the Penguins.
Either that or he is a penguin vet in the zoo, although the knocks on the head would explain a bit
Would be a good move for Robbie and in turn for us.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...326688645.html
He'd enjoy playing up top with Holt
As for the MLS nominations, I think if Meara had have stayed injury free, he'd surely be up for Best Rookie or Best Newcomer.
I see Robbie won and converted a penalty which secured Galaxy's stumbling passage into the final.
After scoring the penalty, Robbie was immediately congratulated by one of his teammates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=CrSwQKOBaio
At least it was his best buddy that gave him a hug. Harsh enough penalty, his arm was coming back in as it hit it.
Yeah, that's why I said come again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
It always jars with me when I see a football team referred to in the singular!
That's another way of saying there was movement from the hand towards the ball :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Robbie looked totally knackered there, almost (but not quite) too knackered to walk over to the penalty spot.
True. I've seen worse given but I don't think the defender knew too much about it to be fair. It may technically have been a penalty, but he was unlucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'd say Robbie's fitness is taking a hammering over in LA. Apparently he's out on the batter quite a bit over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I can't see him being back in England this time.
Says who? London and other places he's played/lived had night-lifes too but it didn't seem to hold him back. Well, bar the time he threw a party in Dublin with Spurs team-mates, but that led to a disciplinary issue with Redknapp rather than a fitness concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
He looks fit and sharp in any of the videos from LA matches lately.
Besides, never hindered the likes of Frank Worthington from putting the ball in the back of the net. :)
Failed X-Factor contestant, Matt Cardle, bizarrely enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage.../4568209/.html
The States and Oz are ***** for it. Wrecks my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
They do the same with bands too. Anyone know why? It's really really weird.
The singularity of the group I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
Colorado Avalanche, Montreal Impact, LA Galaxy, I don't see what the problem is.
That's not what he was getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Eg. he's annoyed at phrases like "Chelsea is European Champion"
I thought I was getting busted for a misplaced (singular) apostrophe after I wrote "Galaxy's stumbling passage"
But in this case the plural are one unit (I think).
It's confusing when there is a sidetracked strand to a thread and whose existence is only understood by a few, who communicate on a need to know basis, in obscure references:)
Like most other things when it comes to language, the American way makes more sense. Chelsea is singular, we're just not used to hearing it that way and it sounds wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I always found the American terms and spelling much more descriptive and logical. Examples being sidewalk and elevator to our footpath and lift. Also their spelling of words such as color and center, compared to colour and centre, seem more logical as well. I'm not so convinced about the way they run off their dates though, I think our basic day-month-year is more logical than their month-day-year, but their's still sounds better because they don't have to say 'of'.
Or at least our close friends
I had initially referenced you and that tangent in my post but I figured it was best to leave those particular dogs lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
In a word... NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
:)
As always, the American way makes no historical sense. Before the days of big money-making leagues, teams were groups of people. If you're talking about the opposing group of 11 players, you're obviously going to use the plural - they. The opposite of "they" is "we", which even Americans use to describe their team. "It" can't feature on that logic. Hence why clubs are described in the plural.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I'm baffled as to how you reckon footpath and lift make more sense than sidewalk and elevator; they say the exact same thing. Color and center are leftovers from Noah Webster's aborted attempt to spell everything they way it's pronounced; now you have a mishmash of Americanisms and Englishisms - so a route is a rowt unless it's a national route, in which case it's a root (like 66).
Incredibly, I got a reply to a work email with those exact words less than an hour ago. I'm either barking up the wrong tree or it's 'National Terse Day'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I know what you're saying about teams being groups of people obviously, but they combine to form something singular. I can see the sense in it without being overly passionate about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I presume you mean 'less' sense. I think sidewalk is more descriptive than footpath. It's a walkway at the side of something, a footpath could be anywhere. I think elevator also tells more of a story than lift, as in your being gradually elevated as opposed to just lifted off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yeah, I'll leave that side of things to you. I only meant their way makes more sense in the same way this Noah chap obviously did. I'm sure he was p!ssing all over generations of language evolution (as opposed to just making things more straight forward).Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The side of something could also be anywhere though. Lift and elevate are synonyms; any extra meaning is being introduced by you.
I think the problem with Americans (and Aussies) using the singular to describe teams is that it hints at a broader lack of understanding of the game; certainly, a lot (not all) of American commentary on football (saccer) is utter uneducated tripe (and in return, in fairness, England has Sky Sports). "Chelsea is" is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to not seeing the game as we do.
Yeah sidewalk could be anywhere, but it will always be at the side. I'm not introducing any extra meaning. The fact that they are synonyms only means that they mean basically the same thing, not necessarily the exact same thing. In this case, I think that elevator is more descriptive than lift. Lift means to move something up, elevate can mean to raise something up. It's a subtle enough difference I suppose but I think being raised up is more appropriate in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm not so sure. Is it only sports teams that they talk about using the singular. For example, what about political parties? Would you take any notice if they said "The Democratic Party is introducing new tax measures"? I don't know if they would say it this way or not but, if they do, does it mean they don't really have an understanding of politics?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Or worse, "Chelsea is champions of Europe". Pretty sure I've heard something like that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Some further reading on the matter:
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Formal and notional agreement
In BrE, collective nouns can take either singular (formal agreement) or plural (notional agreement) verb forms, according to whether the emphasis is on the body as a whole or on the individual members respectively; compare a committee was appointed with the committee were unable to agree. The term the Government always takes a plural verb in British civil service convention, perhaps to emphasize the principle of cabinet collective responsibility. Compare also the following lines of Elvis Costello's song "Oliver's Army": Oliver's Army are on their way / Oliver's Army is here to stay. Some of these nouns, for example staff, actually combine with plural verbs most of the time.
In AmE, collective nouns are almost always singular in construction: the committee was unable to agree. However, when a speaker wishes to emphasize that the individuals are acting separately, a plural pronoun may be employed with a singular or plural verb: the team takes their seats or the team take their seats, rather than the team takes its seats. However, such a sentence would most likely be recast as the team members take their seats. Despite exceptions such as usage in The New York Times, the names of sports teams are usually treated as plurals even if the form of the name is singular.
The difference occurs for all nouns of multitude, both general terms such as team and company and proper nouns (for example where a place name is used to refer to a sports team). For instance,
BrE: The Clash are a well-known band; AmE: The Clash is a well-known band.
BrE: Spain are the champions; AmE: Spain is the champion.
Proper nouns that are plural in form take a plural verb in both AmE and BrE; for example, The Beatles are a well-known band; The Saints are the champions, with one major exception: largely for historical reasons, in American English, the United States is is almost universal. This is due to the growth in federal control over state governments following the American Civil War (cf. the inclusion of the term "indivisible" in the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States flag); before this, the construction "the United States are" was more common.
You are reading way too much into this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You hear it a lot in music writing. "Coldplay has released their new single..." It's hypercorrectness to the point where it's actually wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Verb morphology in football parlance, common usage of 'was sat' instead of 'was sitting'.
Robbie was sitting on the bench until the 80th minute or Robbie sat on the bench.....
Brit English -> 'Robbie was sat on the bench' or 'Woobie wuzz sat on the bench'.
It could also be a rare usage of 'sit' as a transitive verb, in the same way as we might say, 'he sat his grandson on his lap and told him a story.' In this case, Robbie was sat on the bench by the manager, as opposed to being played by the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
God I love grammar.
I think it's actually grammatically correct to use either the singular or plural pronoun when referring to a group, but that doesn't change the fact that it's clearly immoral to say "Ireland is getting a foothold in the game". If nothing else, the plural gives a handy distinction between Ireland the country, and Ireland the baldie shaper.