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Cruyff and Jesper Olson did it. Arsenal tried it with Pires and Henry a few years ago and made a balls of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Can't believe that some people don't seem to know the rule around rebounds off the post, I don't think anyone would try and do it intentionally but they may hit the post accidentally and not be able to hit it again, it's the same basic rule as any other dead ball like free kicks, goal kicks, corner kicks etc.
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You'd know the rule around rebounds off the post if it had been seen happen in a game.
If you had never seen a penalty taker passing the ball forward to another player, you might think wtf. There was a ref recently who did not know what should happen after somebody or something comes on to the pitch and makes contact with the ball.
My point exactly, that even some refs don't know the rules. I'm sure a goal has been wrongly allowed somewhere where a player hits the post and bangs in the rebound from a penalty. It's not specifically a rule that he can't touch it again if it hits the post, it's that he has to (1) kick the ball forward and (2) another player has to touch it before he can hit it again. I can imagine some upset in the stands if it happened to a home team, right enough. That said, no player is ever going to deliberately aim for the post or crossbar when hitting a penalty. That would be madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Except maybe someone like that arrogant CRuntaldo...
RK by all accounts had a bit of a shocker last night, not much better on Saturday and is woefully out of form for Spurs, hope he finds his shooting boots in the next couple of weeks.
his form hasnt been the best but he still has 7 in all comps for spurs and 5 in the WC qualifying. so in this case he has his shooting boots on even if his form isnt as it could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
He's been poor since he's resigned for spurs, I still fancy him to get one for us over the 2 legs against France. Hopefully that will be enough!
That's the whole point in bold though, whether it hits the post or not is irrelevant. I've never seen it given, I think I've seen goals disallowed where the player has instinctively hit it again though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
That's what I was wondering.... if it had ever happened and the ref had been caught out and awarded a goal wrongly.... thing is, when i first heard robbie had scored from a rebounded penalty, I got the impression it was off the post and not the keeper, which would have ruled it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
we'll never worry as long as it doesn't happen in the playoffs.
I actually learned that from a Roy of the Rovers comic when I was a kid...Roy Race hit the post with a pen and he passed it to a lad to score from the rebound and everyone thought he did it so the lad could score on his debut...... sometimes the strangest things stay with you from when u were a young fella:DQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
The ref should have blown up for a free out :)
I'd say that's one of the best known rules in football, not one of the least known. I'd be amazed if anyone here didn't know that rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
I'm amazed that you think it is one of the best known rules in football.
As well known as the pass forward from the penalty spot to another player before that Arsenal cóck up?
About the same level of logic applies but how many would have considered the scenario possible until it came onto the tv screen?
Hard to answer your second question because my first exposure to football was on TV.
As kids the scenario often arose (we used a tree and lamppost 10 feet apart on our road as goals - so hitting the post from penalties occurred quite a bit).
I remember having an argument with a guy when I was in school playing 5 a side. He took a quick throw in directly into the goal and claimed he'd scored. I said it didn't count, he said it was no different to a corner or a free. I just knew though. Just like I knew that after a foul on the last black a game of snooker is over. I also had a row with a guy who insisted on playing for snookers, saying that it was technically still possible to recover from a 10 point deficit even with only one ball left.
I didn't know about beach balls though!
With regard to it being good that Robbie has got a penalty miss out of the way, I have a dim recollection that the last time he missed one (saved by Almunia at 1-1 at the Emirates) he missed another shortly afterwards, prompting Berbatov to take the next ones. Anyone confirm this?
If so, then that was Robbie was getting a once off run of penalty misses out of the way.
He's top class from the spot alright, a real skill.
If he passed it to the lad after he'd hit the post it should have been disallowed. He's not allowed touch it again until someone else touches it first, it's not just that he's not allowed score from the rebound!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I have a vague recollection of something to do with a penalty controversy involving Roy of The Rovers from when I was a kid alright though, think they'd got their wires crossed with the rules and someone wrote in correcting them the following week. I think it was a stoppage time penalty that was disallowed after someone else scored from a rebound from a keepers save because they said only the penalty taker could score from a rebound from the keeper. Someone wrote in saying that was wrong but the ref would have been within his rights to blow up as soon as the keeper saved it if time was deemed to be up so disallowing it was correct, it was just for the wrong reason. Funny what stays with you alright!
Confusion seems to reign on this thread! :D
I agree that the penalty-post rule is very well known amongst people with a reasonably big interest in football. I was playing in a game a couple of years back (Kerry soccer) and one of our guys hit the post with a penalty and toe poked home the rebound. Not only did we not really celebrate but the opposition were all roaring a shouting at the ref to disallow it. To be honest I think he was going to allow it, only to be reminded from the protests. Anyway the point is that nearly everybody knew about it. Remember the penalty shoot out in the 86 WC between Brazil and France. Some French fella hit the post and it came back off the keeper and went in. That counted but was accepted afterwards that it shouldn't have been.
I remember Keane's miss at the Emirates because I was f*cking and blinding him. Think it would have put Spurs 2-1 up only for Bendtner to get the winner for Arsenal instead a few mins later. Can't remember him missing any after that but not sure. Maybe they gave the penalties to Berbatov after that one. Speaking of penalties, that James Beattie is class at them (off-topic!!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Edit: shouldn't have doubted you Stutts, that miss against Arsenal was 22nd December 2007 and he also missed one against Reading on the 29th.
Arsenal 2-1 Spurs
Spurs 6-4 Reading
Are you sure you are in the know?Quote:
Some French fella hit the post and it came back off the keeper and went in. That counted but was accepted afterwards that it shouldn't have been.
Sounds like a legitimate goal.