Delores, you need your own forum( a huge blank canvas) with all this self-quoting.
You'll be worse than me soon with the told you so's. But obviously its more than legitimate and an entitlement.
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Delores, you need your own forum( a huge blank canvas) with all this self-quoting.
You'll be worse than me soon with the told you so's. But obviously its more than legitimate and an entitlement.
:D Funny, if you read that piece, the author says the exact same thing! That he was saving face, a wry smile. That article only backs up what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Except of course, everyone had read O'Neill wrong and/or McDonagh and the other coaches have a lot of sway. I got a hint of the latter from the same piece and another article(keane and whittling down the squad) on the same paper.
In my defence, I had only asked a question at the time, I didn't have the answers... so not much in the way of 'I told you so'. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Plus, I think O'Neill probably was questioning his commitment at the time really.
But sure that's what we do most on this forum, speculate.
That's why Stutts lives in fancy NW London, in a beautiful house after making his millions speculating correctly.
YOu should follow suit El Del.
Some people should have listened to me sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I doubt if there was club pressure to pull out. I would say O'Neill was miffed about the pull outs but wiser counsel prevailed, possibly from others, that you should bring your best squad and forget about the past. Hmmmm, that said he still brought Given.
p.s. I notice that Westwood got a fingernail to the Hull shot in the semi-final. Meanwhile Given was only getting off the ground by the time a similar "unstoppable" Belarus shot hit the back of the net. I am only sayin'....
In fairness, the Belarus shot was further wide. I actually think Westwood missed a trick with the Hull goal. We debated it here while you were drowning your sorrows.
We had already proven beyond medical doubt on this thread after the friendlies v Swiss and Slo that Westwood had only pulled out when injured and it was noted that he had also pulled out of the next club game/s. O'Neill also referred to Westwood missing out on club games, supporting his Westwood is unreliable claim but this also did not cut the mustard. There was no basis for MO'Ns unreliable claims re Westwood's availability and dependability, that's why many thought the issue lay elsewhere, ambivalence or ironically began at Sunderland with a dissenting Westwood wanting to start games/go out on loan so he could get back in the Ireland squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
But if Westwood's past exclusion just came mainly down to O'Neill thinking that Westwood was unreliable then he didn't do his job properly to establish the facts of Westwood's injury/club record and left an important team position vulnerable.
We don't build a team's tactics around the goalkeeper, we play the best goalkeeper available for the competitive games, it's okay if the nr 1 goalie misses 2 games due to injury, the team's formation is not disturbed. When it comes to goalies and O'Neill, somehow the image of a hapless Rab Douglas in the UEFA final is etched in my memory.
How did no one like this post? So serious and stuffy on here sometimes. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I alluded to your first point on another thread, not sure which one, but I think thats another good sign of O'Neills management that he is willing to listen to his trusted advisers. Pity none of them knew/know nothing about Doyle :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Geysir, unreliable in the sense that his fitness is being called into question, missing club games after ireland internationals proves this too. You don't build your tactics or team around your goalkeeper, but a solid defensive is built around a goalkeeper and his back four, getting to know eachtoher, being able to communicate and control and command the box/defense when needed, the ability to spot weaknesses of your back 4 and use your strengths to compensate and likewise for the back 4 and the keeper. If you are continually disrupting your goalkeeper every couple of games then you lose this consistency and experience. IT still would be no excuse not to bring Westwood, and in my opinion after 2/3 weeks together he could and should be back in as number 1.
Well, he has been given the No. 1 jersey. Does that count as coming back as No. 1 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
this is what went down...Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Martin: so Keiren, are you comin to France or whats the story?
Westwood: I will only go if I am number one Marty, a buachaill!
Martin: good enough hi. Westwood gets the number 1 jersey, Roy. Darren starts though.
Westwood: ah youre some cute hoor Marty!
Martin: ah would ye ever feck off ye wee boll!xy boll!x ye.
Westwood: theres a great big shopping centre in Ballymena hi.
Martin: #bants #bestmates
(sorry)
Linked with Hull City in this morning's papers
Could be seen as one of the bargains of the summer for Hull as the report goes on to say that Westwood has a release clause of £2m, much less than what Wednesday would be hoping to get for one of their star assets. Was wondering why Wednesday signed Jake Kean from Norwich.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Is he going to as backup to mcgregor? Or is jakupovic pushing? Good move if true, only if he is first team.
Signed contract extension until 2019.
Another clean sheet although he didn't really have much to do except deal with some tight back passes. Not convinced about his dominance of the box - inclined to stay on his line perhaps a bit too much. A couple of instances where a call to a defender to let him take the ball might have served the team better.
Spent Sunday afternoon channel surfing between the Test Match, Wednesday/Villa and the hurling (mother was from Waterford). Isn't sport a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon, especially when the in-laws come calling and they are shooed off to the kitchen "because Wednesday are on the tv!!" ?
Howler by Westwood to gift Brentford a goal. Just as Paul predicted :)
Yep, delayed clearing the ball and was charged down.
Conceded a penalty today. Still a better goalkeeper than Randolph apparently.
A goalkeeper would be doing particularly badly if he conceded penalties while sitting on the subs bench !Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Second major mistake from Westwood in last few games I am afraid (he also dived too early for the peno which was hit down the middle). His ground kicking also seems to have gone askew. Hopefully just a temporary slump in form after two brilliant (I use the word advisedly) seasons.
I still wouldn't be concerned for one second about Westwood being in goals for us. Regardless of how well Randolph has done to date I really do think his lack of game time will catch up on him. He rode his luck in Belgrade, mixing 2 important saves with one colossal blunder and an unconvincing flap and I think it was his worst game for us since he impressed against Germany. Despite Adrian's recent wobble I think he's a good keeper and I'm not sure Bilic will be in a hurry to drop him. I hope I'm wrong.
If I thought it would mean that Westwood would become our number one I'd be happy enough for Adrian to retain his place. For some reason I don't think it will work that way though so hopefully Bilic gives Randolph a run in the team. Was he even considered to be among the best goalkeepers in the Championship when he played there? I wouldn't have thought so.
Who cares what he was considered when he was in the championship? He's at a premier league team now and Westwood isn't.surely it'd be preferable for both keepers to be first choice for their respective teams and for the in-form one to start for us?cant understand the desperation to drop Randolph and get Westwood back in.it wasn't so long ago that Germany fired 6 past him
And Bournemouth put eight past Randy. I just think Westwood is a fair bit better, that's all. Westwood is at the very least an elite Championship goalkeeper, Randolph is/was middle of the road at Championship level I think. He was brought to the PL as back up on a free transfer and never really likely to feature barring an injury to Adrian. I'm not saying it as a dig at Randolph, just pointing out that it's not that outrageous to have a heavy preference towards Westwood, as others believe it's only splitting hairs, which is fair enough too.
Randolph has been a highly rated goalkeeper since he was at Motherwell. And Westwood hasn't exactly cemented a place at any Premier League team he's ever played for. Splitting hairs methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fizzer
I think Randolph is the least of our problems. There are a couple of other players who are integral to the lack of possession and long ball tactics we are currently deploying which are making us such a turgid team to watch.
Yeah I must say TOWK,I don't usually agree with you but I think in this case you're bang on the point.there are much more concerning positions that we really desperately need to fix as soon as possible in my view,particularly at centre half.Im not sure we'll get away with defending like we did in Belgrade again.Hopefully it was just down to early season rustiness.having said that,it isn't ideal that Randolph is warming the bench,but he does strike me as a guy who doesn't let lack of game time affect him mentally.
Who said it was the most concerning position? Every position is open to debate especially on a quiet forum between matches!
I must have missed that one during my frequent snoozes! When was that ? What do they say about consciousness? That annoying brief interval between naps!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Goalkeeper is a vital position. Randolph, despite Whelan giving him man of the match, almost presented the opposition with two goals. That said, Westwood is no longer on fire so my clamour for him is diminishing. Where's Forde when you need him.
Now where was I? Oh yeah zzzzzzzzzz
BBC: Birmingham City 0-8 Bournemouth
Agreed. I think it's a pretty big deal if we concede goals that we might not have conceded with somebody else. Obviously to those who think they are of a similar standard then there is no issue.
My friend played in goals for irish schoolboys V English, they were hammered by 8 or 10 nil somewhere in England, but (unlike Randolph) he was the motm according to the news reports and himself of course.
Any chance Martin can give one of those famous motivational talks to Keiren, to get fire burning again?
If Darren Randolph drops a clanger then we will all be saying its because he is not playing regularly.....such is the life of a goalkeeper .
Made a tremendous save when 0-1 down (can be seen here http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/footb...st-1-1-8145891) and also had an assist in the late late winner. Back to his best according to the Star.
Substituted at half time in 1-2 defeat by Brighton. According to the manager Westwood "was sick, with a problem to play but he tried to play and played but after he felt something on his leg and didn’t come out for the second half". Must make him doubtful for our games.
That would be sh!te. I'd have had him as first choice for the upcoming games.
Good display yesterday at Huddersfield with a couple of smart saves. Interestingly the commentator said that Westwood had said that last season he wasn't fit until February. Might explain a few withdrawals from Irish squads.
Off injured again :(
Crikey, it seems Darren Randolph is our first-choice keeper based simply on the fact that he's consistently fit:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Wednesday Manager: "Keiren had a bit of a back problem which he felt during the warm-up, but he felt well enough to play,” said Carvalhal. “Then, during the early part of the game he felt it again and we felt it was best not to take a risk. I do not think it is too serious and we hope he can play this weekend".
He didn't make much of an effort for the Cardiff goal from a free kick and never got off the ground and was subbed later. Back issues are tricky to solve. Unlucky with injuries.