Thought McGeady was generally poor tonight with a few exceptions but the team overall were poor. Don't know why they are such a different team at home. Awful to watch so much mediocrity
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Thought McGeady was generally poor tonight with a few exceptions but the team overall were poor. Don't know why they are such a different team at home. Awful to watch so much mediocrity
If you look at the slow mo you can see that no.8 (was it donati, or Brown?) tracked the Cafu run until he got to O'Dea and then let him go on. O'Dea kept his focus on Kaka, correctly in my opinion. [edit - just saw it again in real time, hard to tell who should have picked Cafu]Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Very impressed by McGeady again. He carried the ball well, drew tackles and won frees. He laid it off well when he needed to. One piece of control was very impressive. Lack of options upfront put a limit on how effective he could be.
When Celtic got to the UEFA final and were winning at Anfield and Ewood I honestly thought they were Premiership top 6 or thereabouts. Now I think they are good Championship level, with a few players better than the rest.
Saw the Celtic game tonight and thought McGeady was pretty good without setting the world alight. He ran several times in the first half and gained 50-60 yards on 3 or 4 occasions, and only gave the ball away once or twice. After a while the Milan defence copped on and kept very tight on him (the same way the Celtic defence did on Kaka, and to keep the best player in the world by miles as quiet as they did was admirable) and he was less effective but he certainly gave them an extra option than hoofing it upfield, which seemed to be their game plan.
I put this down as another good game for McGeady and on current form would have him starting in our next friendly. Alongside Hunt, A. Reid and Ireland, since you ask.
What I meant was that Cafu seemed to be getting to the bye-line and there seemed to be a lot of space in the corner for him to run into and cross, on the other hand with O'Dea tucking in next to Pressley he limited the space for Kaka to run intoQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
McGeady was pretty poor tonight from what I saw of him..
Got caught in posession a lot and attempted to go past players a few times and failed. O'Dea played OK doesn't seem to have a lot of pace though..
Sounds like you only caught the 2nd half. He was good in the 1st, there's no doubting that.
It wasn't much of a game to rate anyone by. You can only play the team put in front of you, but Milan, inzaghi apart, didn't look all that fussed, particularly in the first half.
Mcgeady did well in the first half. But wit the score in the Benfica game Celtic didn't exactly throw themselves forward late on.
I think it would be most unfair to judge anyone on that game, Scott Brown aside who foolishly managed to get himself booked and banned in a kick about.
McGeady played well enough considering the isolation he found himself in during most of the game.
By the end of the game he was double marked as usual, and Celtic lost their most effective outlet.
O'Dea did very well considering the lack of matches he's played, and the fact that's not really a fullback.
Don't know why the fella on the other page compared him to O'Shea, completely different players in completely different places in their career.
O'Dea is a young player coming through a big club, and captaining his country at underage level, whereas O'Shea is a weak link who has really not lived up to his early promise (perhaps a victim of his versatility in this regard).
You would like to think the experience of playing games against Milan in the San Siro will be beneficial to both lads development.
Bland statment I know but you get my drift.
The comparison is that O'Shea was at the start of his Ireland career at the same time of his 'golden run' at ManU. He has become a fixture on the Irish team whcich appears to be on his early reputation at club level. it certainly is not on the basis of his performances for Ireland. His Man U career since has gone backwards where he is now a squad player rather than first teamer.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
McGeady, by all accounts is playing out of his skin at Celtic, but as far as Ireland is concerned, he has been ordinary at best but certainly has not looked like a player who is playing 'out of his skin' at his club and until he plays well for Ireland, he could be in the same boat as O'Shea, a regular in the Ireland team on the basis of his club reputation rather than for his performances for Ireland.
I would love to see both of them doing well for Ireland but I don't think either of them will. O'Shea because he is not good enough and McGeady because he is too small and too easily muscled off the ball. I hope I'm wrong.
McGeady has bulked up considerably this year which goes some way to explaining his improvement. Not shoved off the ball so easily anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Clips of McGeady's first CL start in 2004:
Much more intelligent performance than I was expecting.
McGeady is very good, and is still young. The pace he's added to his game this season has added another dimension and it's really made him a more useful player.
There are players we should be criticizing right now, and he definitely isn't one of them.
Expecting him to step into the Ireland team in his first campaign and perform when none of our veteran players were stepping up is a big ask.
I'm not saying he played well for Ireland, but the whole team was a shambles, and to pick on our young players just breaking through is unfair.
O'Shea, for all his faults, played a lot of games in a Premiership winning side last season, and added some crucial goals as well. I'm not an O'Shea fan, but I think he definitely gets more stick than he deserves. He's thrown all around the pitch for club and country, and is expected to adapt and play at a high level wherever he's put.
He's not a world beater for his club, he's a support player that can do a serviceable job anywhere on the pitch where his team is weak.
So if he's not a key player for United, why do people expect him to be a key player for us?
Bloody hell, considering the opposition, McGeady looks brilliant in that clip.
I really didn't rate McGeady till recently but in some ways he reminds me of Ronaldo at Man Utd. Ronaldo for ages lacked an end product to his game and when he added it, he became a phenom. But for McGeady to advance as a player he needs to get out of that dreadful league. Champions league outings are great but playing the likes of Caley thistle will not help him at International level.
Both Celtic and Milan seemed very content to play for a draw in the first half - the game didn't have any real intensity and McGeady did relatively well in the first half. Didn't think O'Dea looked too hot - basically the only thing he did in the first half was to pass it sideways or back to the goalkeeper. He did try to play a long ball upfield twice in the first half and on both occasions the ball went directly out of play.
Second half was all Milan IMO. They took the game to another level and Celtic were found wanting. There was a clear gap in quality between the two sides. McGeady was ok in the second half - but one thing that sticks in my mind is that he tried to jig pass the leftfull on two seperate occasions within the space of two minutes - on both occasions the defender won the ball and won it easily. O'Dea, and the rest of the Celtic back four, badly struggled in second half. I wouldn't fault O'Dea in any way in the lead up to the goal. But his general play in the second half didn't look "comfortable" and I'd very much doubt he improved his chances of becoming a first team regular for Celtic after last night's performance.
He's hardly played any first team football this year, and he's a natural centre-half to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
That considered, I think he did fine.
I know. I think last night's performance showed why.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Yes I know but it wasn't his positional sense that was at fault last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
He was very average. If he wants to be a regular for Celtic, he has to do better in taking his chances to play in the team. For me he was the "weakest link" in Celtic's back four last night but everyone is entitled to their opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
You obviously don't watch scottish football - McManus is far from a plank, for a man still relatively young (in terms of centre back) he is a real leader, extremely organised, brave to the last and scores his fair share of goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
As for last night, I think O'dea did as well as could be expected for a 20 year old playing out of position in only his 2nd game in ages, against the European champions. I am a huge fan but I fear he will never get a proper chance at CB for Celtic as Strachan seems intent on only having one left footed CB, which is a real pity.
Dion Fanning dissed McManus in a recent article comparing Scotland's team to ours. I nearly choked.
I'd have McManus in our team in an instant. He & Dunne would be a great combo. He's careless at times and makes mistakes but he's a young lad and I think he could go on to being one of the best Celtic captains in a long time.
Stuttgart88 - spot on!!! :cool:
ifk101, I think you're being very harsh on O'Dea. Some centre halves just can't play full back and O'Dea looks to be one of them.
On McManus. That's a player I've been very harsh on and I've never grown to him. You hardly ever see him make a mistake. The thing is you hardly ever see him dominate a game either. Celtic could lose 5-0 and McManus wouldn't have been at fault for any goal but he surely has to be playing some part. Celtic haven't kept a clean sheet away from home in any competition in 14 months.
thats a kind of pointless fact, to say they havn't kept a clean sheet away from home in 14months. heres a few more away facts (since last clean sheet):
so thats not exactly a bad away record & there aren't too many teams who can keep a clean sheet away from home in any league
- played 33
- won 16
- drew 6
- lost 11 (6 of which were in Champ League where they are sh1t away)
They won loads of matches despite a poor defensive record. That doesn't take away from the fact that they still have a poor defensive record. Anyway, it's not important with regards McGeady.
Seriously? Celtic haven't kept a clean sheet away from home in fourteen months? Surely this can't include SPL matches away to the likes of St. Gretna and Dundee United?
I have to say I can't stand Mcgeady. Completely over hyped in this country becuase of the club he plays for. He can't tackle, his passing is awful, for all his fancy dan step overs he rarely beats a player, doesn't score enough goals for a winger, seldom gets in behind players.....he'll be playing for someone like Airdrie United in 5 years time...
It does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Do you watch the champions league?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
I do. And I still think he's gash. The new Graham Barrett. And he's now at Falkirk.
But listen, I'll have any amount with you, 10, 50, 100 more...here's the bet - Aidan McGeady will never win any of the following:
A premiership medal
An fa cup medal
A champions league medal
PFA Player of the Year (or even be nominated for it)
Player of the year at any of the following clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, Tottenham
if he's as good as you say he should have no problem, cos obviously he's so good Barca will want him to replace Ronaldinho, Madrid, Chelsea, United, Milan, Liverpool will all be involved in a bidding war to land his much covered signature in the not too distant future....
Im no great McGeady fan but your point doesnt really prove anything...sure Jonathon Greening has a Champions league medal!Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
Traore aswell .....
my point is he will never play for any of those clubs or win any of those awards because he's not good enough. I didn't see Traore being nominated for footballer of the year, did you?
I read people compare him to Ronaldo - what a joke. I'd compare him to Kalou at Chelsea and he's rubbish. And McGeady isn't even as good as him.
Ronaldo is a better defender than Traore!!:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
Who said he is? I couldn't be arsed reading back a few pages but I don't remember anyone saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
Judging by your list you obviously don't rate Pele or Maradona.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
I'm trying to make a relevant point here. If Pele was around nowadays he's more than likely be playing for one of the top clubs in Europe. Maradona was a genius and I'm sure picked up the odd player of the year award along the way.
The thing is if McGeady was at, say, Bolton, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He's be just another average, run of the mill, footballer.
He's over rated in this country because of who he plays for. And he's over rated by Celtic fans because of the fact that he plays for the "old country" - in my opinion.
If you don't rate him then that's fair enough, but I'd say that if he was at Bolton he'd be one of their standout players. I don't think he's world class and don't think he ever will be but I think if he keeps on learning then he could be one of Ireland's best players in the future (if not the best player).Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
What was Duff like at McGeady's age????
Playing in the Championship with Blackburn, and behind Kilbane and Kennedy in the senior team for the left wing.
well your failing!! and its getting boring!Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
things tend to get boring when you have a thread of more than 20 pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl
And as for me failing? that's debateable - just 'cos I don't see things through hooped tinted glasses and I'm saying something that a lot of people don't agree with doesn't mean I'm failing. But if it makes you feel better - I've failed. McGeady is the new Pele. Happy now?