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Originally Posted by SPXcyan
We are 100% going out in the next round.
Need to pray we hang on in the league and a big clear out at the end of the year.
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Originally Posted by SPXcyan
We are 100% going out in the next round.
Need to pray we hang on in the league and a big clear out at the end of the year.
1-1 now; they led for two minutes
Edit - nope; still 0-1. Ferencvaros goal ruled out
2-0 KÍ!
Rovers in big danger of a rematch with Ferencvaros next
Rovers are in serious danger of 4/4 defeats this year in Europe.. damn!
0-3! Klaksvik handily winning this one.
What on earth is going on there?!
Maybe it's as well Rovers are going to avoid KÍ
There must be something in the water up that part of the world with these performances in the CL. Mind you KI’s is even more impressive.
Maybe they are lucky to be avoiding KI. Very strong side.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
KÍ were gifted a penalty, shocking defending for the second, and a comical (what I would class as) OG for the third.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I can't believe Ferencvaros are usually as bad as they're playing here.
Just looking through young Shamrock Rovers players to have made their LOI Shamrock Rovers debut under Bradley in the past 5 years, the club and the much vaunted academy so far has been a springboard for either UK or other LOI clubs but contributing little for the first team. I might have to make some time to do a breakdown of Pats and Bohs in the same period
They are giving players debuts but there is a reluctance to persist with young developing players when the club is set with a target to win the league every season, this looks to be catching up with them now with the squad's age profile and some evidence of the team past their peak in the league and Europe, interestingly no debuts made by Bradley so far this season if Rovers are going to address their age profile they are going to need some of the players debuting since 2021 and current under 19s to become established quickly
Gavin Bazunu - debut 2018 now with Southampton/ROI international
Brandon Kavanagh - debut 2018 now with Derry City
Dean Williams - debut 2018 now with Bohemians
Eric Abulu - debut 2019 now with Ballymun United
Sean Callan - debut 2019 last seen 2022 with Bray Wanderers
James Furlong - debut 2019 now with Brighton & Hove Albion
Thomas Oluwa - debut 2019 now with Wexford on loan from Waterford
Max Murphy - debut 2020 now with Bray Wanderers
Darragh Nugent - debut 2020 still with Shamrock Rovers
Zayd Abada - debut 2021 only one first team appearance still with Shamrock Rovers U19s
Kieran Cruise - debut 2021 still with Shamrock Rovers first team and U19s
Dylan Duffy - debut 2021 now with Lincoln City
Aidomo Emakhu - debut 2021 now with Millwall
Dean McMenamy - debut 2021 now with Waterford
Conan Noonan - debut 2021 still with Shamrock Rovers first team and U19s
Justin Ferizaj - debut 2022 still with Shamrock Rovers
Carl Lennox - debut 2022 still with Shamrock Rovers first team and U19s
Gideon Tetteh - debut 2022 still with Shamrock Rovers first team and U19s
As regards Pats, Sam Curtis and Jamie Lennon start every week, Adam Murphy most weeks and Ben McCormack frequently. All from the Academy. The same was true of Darragh Burns and James Abankwah until their moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
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Originally Posted by total hoofball
sean boyd??
agree though they must be disappointed with the lack of academy lads that cut it for LOI prem level. theyve nailed the UK market in terms of selling on the young lads but the lack of any real starter quality player in their squad now is telling. i suppose if ferizaj hadnt fallen out with the club he'd be there or there abouts
Did Zefi never play first team? I know he played for Rovers B in the First Division. Probably too young to have featured for the firsts I guess?
Duffy was on loan at UCD last year of course, so Rovers didn't get any first-team benefit out of him. I wonder how many games that lot played between them?
That’s Rovers fecked so!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPXcyan
Could be wrong but does that result guarantee group stage football for a team from either Iceland or the Faroes. That'd be a first I think.
Boyd made his Rovers LOI debut in 2016 under Fenlon just before Bradley took over, I picked past 5 years as it's better timeframe to lo with Bradley established under his tenure and the academy ramping up with facilities opening in 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Transfermarket has alot of good info on this type of stuff. Rovers over the past decade have been a springboard for alot of the LOI and UK opportunities but the lack of medium-to-long term friction with the first team fighting to win league titles and win in Europe is an interesting study considering their weight the FAI/LOI are placing on the academy structures and the underage system for the growth of the LOI and National Team
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sham...it/verein/3258
No Zefi never made a first team appearance of any sort, he made 3 starts 8 sub appearance scoring 1 goal for the 'B' team in that 2020 First Division season when he was 15Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Duffy made 3 sub Premier Division appearances for Rovers. Almost similar to Zefi at the 'B' team he made 3 starts 7 sub appearances scoring 1 goal
Could be some players like Duffy trying to come out of the U19s looking at restricted first team opportunities at Rovers that going to UCD or someone else to play regularly may be a better option if they want to eventually go professional in the LOI or to the UK
PO guaranteed. Need to win one more round in anyone of the 3 completions to get to the group stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by kksaints
Not yet I think - they're guaranteed to reach the Conference League playoffs at present. But they could still be beaten in their next three tiesQuote:
Originally Posted by kksaints
But aren't Ki ve Breidbilk in the next round so one of them has to go through and then is guaranteed Conference League group stage at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Nope - Breidablik play Copenhagen
When have Rovers ever got a result like this in a meaningful game in Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by SPXcyan
No less than they deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Yes whoever wins is in group stages
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Originally Posted by CSAD
In Belgrade 12 years ago?
Larne one down against HJK after nearly half and hour.
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Originally Posted by MichaelCherrito
Lol having to go back 12 years to find a result! If I recall Bradley wasn't the manager then.
Klaksvik will play Hacken of Sweden while Breidablik will play FC Copenhaguen. Assuming both of them lose their tie, they will go into the Europa League qualifiers; win one of two ties and lose the other and you go into the Conference League group stages as Rovers did last season after beating Shkupi & losing to Ferencavaros in those two rounds. Win both ties and you go into the Europa league group stages.
Brandywell sold out for tomorrow night.
I know we've essentially sold out every game for the past two seasons, but it's still surprising at £25 a head.
Dudelange sent back fifty tickets and they got snapped up in a minute. What was in the past a good crowd tomorrow will seem strange with only 2500 at it.
Larne level with HJK,need a goal in the last 20 minutes to force extra time....
Quite nervous for tomorrow. I expect/hope we’ll be better than last week, but it’s not going to be an easy task. I just hope we have a real go at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Nice to see an Irish side in the CL qualifiers put up a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Ex-Derry City Joe Thomson with the second in the 89th minute.
2-2agg. Extra-time next.
And we are off to ET. 2 nil down on agg on 65 minutes and pulled it back to 2-2!Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Not enough for Larne unfortunately. They lose 3-2 on aggregate AET.
Larne played very well. Twice. Really shouldn't be going out, but on the other hand their pressure was quite blunt. They looked in much better shape than an Irish League team would have been a few years ago. Hope they get a handy one next.
They got Ballkani. Will be a tough tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cláirseach
Did up Bohs and Pats below. Bohs winning clearly though obviously they have had to give more opportunities out of budgetary necessity but imagine the team they would have now if they had held half of those players together. Pats also having more success integrating young players into the LOI first team and higher level moves abroad than Rovers, it will probably become more clearcut for Rovers in 2/3 years time whether their vaunted academy is delivering but I'm scepticalQuote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Bohemians LOI Debuts 2018-2023 (5 year period)
Danny Grant debut 2018 now returned to Bohemians
Ryan Graydon debut 2018 now with Fleetwood Town
Paddy Kirk debut 2018 still with Bohemians (via Longford/Sligo)
Darragh Leahy debut 2018 now with Dundalk
Andy Lyons debut 2018 now with Blackpool
Cristian Magerusan debut 2018 now with Longford Town
Robbie McCourt debut 2018 now with Dundalk
Promise Omochere debut 2018 now with Fleetwood Town
Ali Reghba debut 2018 now with CR Belouizdad (Algeria)
Dawson Devoy debut 2019 now with MK Dons
Evan Ferguson debut 2019 now with Brighton & Hove Albion/Ireland international
James Finnerty debut 2019 now with Sligo Rovers
Danny Mandroiu debut 2019 now with Lincoln City
Ross Tierney debut 2019 now with Motherwell
Jack Moylan debut 2020 now with Shelbourne
Aaron Doran debut 2021 now with Wexford
Roland Idowu debut 2021 now with Waterford
Robbie Mahon debut 2021 now with Motherwell on loan at FC Edinburgh
Jamie Mullins debut 2021 now with Brighton & Hove Albion
Derinsola Adewale debut 2022 still with Bohemians
Cian Byrne debut 2022 still with Bohemians
Reece Byrne debut 2022 with Newcastle United
Chris Lotefa debut 2022 still with Bohemians
Jake McCormack debut 2022 still with Bohemians
James McManus debut 2022 still with Bohemians
Nickson Okosun debut 2023 still Bohemians
St. Patrick's Athletic LOI Debuts 2018-2023 (5 year period)
Neil Byrne debut 2018 current club unknown
Luke Heeney debut 2018 now with Drogheda United
Jamie Lennon debut 2018 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Glen McAuley debut 2019 now with Bluebell United
Jake Walker debut 2019 now with Bray Wanderers
Darragh Burns debut 2020 now with MK Dons
Ben McCormack debut 2020 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Luke McNally debut 2020 now with Burnley
James Abankwah debut 2021 now with Udinese
Kian Corbally debut 2021 now with Wexford
Sam Curtis debut 2021 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Josh Keeley debut 2021 now with Tottenham Hotspur
Darius Lipsiuc debut 2022 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Adam Murphy debut 2022 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Kyle Robinson debut 2022 now with Drogheda United
Rhys Bartley debut 2023 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Mason Melia debut 2023 still with St. Patrick's Athletic
Fair play for doing that! I think there's other criteria you might judge an academy on but first team appearances and transfers would be two for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Fairly sure Mandroiu came from Brighton to Bohs though and I'd question Pats having more high profile departures than us. It's about the same as it stands no? Bazunu, Furlong and Emakhu would be 3 whose moves at least compare with the Pats list there. Interesting topic that might be worth a thread of its own. I think we'd still lead in fees received but Curtis may break that in Pats favour.
Probably worth also saying Curtis came from Rovers so he's only a Pats success story in terms of playing time. Not sure he wouldn't also be playing for us if he'd stayed though. He's a freak, similar to Bazunu who Bradley had no problem playing. He defo would have played on Tuesday as Finner has finally hit the wall!
Both Pats and Bohs also haven't been challenging for the league....until now of course....easier and necessary to bring players through.
Our bench has had plenty of academy players recently and we've seen Noonan and Cruise get their full debuts this season. I'd expect more when we are in the First Division next season and even more when our u15s hit 17/18/19. A special group by all accounts.
This isn't a swipe at yourself, Pats or even Bohs btw although I'd credit Kevins more than Bohs with most of your list. Pats are clearly doing great work and I hope we are going to replace Robinson with O'Brien. It also isn't a complete defence of our use of academy players. Not having a B team hurts us but it does feel like more should have come through at times. We have a few players who do clearly need replacing. Nugent is one we've used a bit and who looks ready but he didn't come all the way through the academy.
Also why have you included Glen McCauley for Pats?