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Yep, agree with all that. I think, besides Serbia's dominance in the second half, there was some bad decision making from some usually more reliable players. And there's not much can be donw about that other than hope they learn and gain experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Cork lad cast as fictionalized Roy for film:
http://www.thescore.ie/roy-keane-fil...58660-Mar2014/
'The Roy Keane Diaries' by Enda Penny over on YBIG make for entertaining reading: http://www.ybig.ie/the-roy-keane-dia....127.blog.html
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The next day we had our first full training session with the team. Some of the lads had played the live TV game on the Sunday on Sky. Stoke had played Hull in an uneventful 0-0 and Glenn Whelan, Paul McShane, Marc Wilson, Shane Long and Robbie Brady had arrived later than the rest. So had Jon Walters. I had had problems with Walters during my time at Ipswich. ‘Maybe this time things would be different’ I thought. Let by gones be by gones Roy’.
Down at breakfast Martin is sitting chatting with some bloke called Steve Guppy. ‘What’s he doing here?’ I thought. Guppy had been appointed as ‘set piece expert’ by O’Neill and this immediately set the alarm bells ringing in my head. I wasn’t consulted over the decision.
As part of the management staff I decided to sit down next to them. The conversation is strained. A new goalkeeping coach Seamus McDonagh completes the staff. He was someone who I barely knew of but was prepared to give him a chance. Then he opened his mouth. It was the last time I didn’t hate him.
It’s 9.45am. We are boarding the bus to make the short journey up the road for our training session. It’s scheduled for 10am. But there’s a problem. Some of the lads are late. It quickly becomes apparent that it’s some of the lads who arrived late last night.
“We’ll give them two minutes Martin,” I said. For once Martin agrees with me. Most of them just make it. Except Jon Walters. ‘Hello?’ I thought. “F**k him. We are going without him,” I roared and instructed the driver to go.
Late for his first day of training. I remember my first day of training for United. I paid a taxi driver to drive ahead of me to show me the way to the training ground in case I would be late. I was an hour early. I know it’s only a small thing but stuff like that usually betrays an attitude to the job. Walters’ timekeeping told me something deeper about his character. I would file that away. For once an Ireland training session is properly structured. I had been up at 4am setting out the cones before going back to bed for a few hours sleep
Under Mick and his shadow Ian Evans some of the players were standing around idle while they set up the possession games. A f**king farce it was. I was going to show them *******s what a proper training session was like. During the warm up a taxi arrives. It’s Jon Walters all of 15 mins late. He storms up to the training pitch. He’s angry. I tell him to hurry up and join the rest.
Later on in the session Martin sets up an 11 v 11 game. Bibs v non bibs. I immediately regret my decision to stay. Glenn Whelan and Paul McShane are f**king useless. I offer some encouragement but it’s wasted on these fools. Glenn has been a regular in the Stoke team. I couldn’t see why. Pass after pass went astray. “Will you f**king find your man!!’’ I shouted He looked at me with a blank stare.“Hello? Is anybody home?” I thought. McShane is worse. Couldn’t mark a statue that lad.
I decide to join in the second half. I’m now on Whelan’s team. Walters is on the other side. After a few mins Walters comes at me with an over the top tackle. He’s obviously ****ed off at us leaving without him. He catches me on the ankle. I went down. I’m ok although I have am badly bruised. I continue. The ball finds Walters over by the touchline. I hit him hard. “Take that ya ****!”. I catch him with a kung fu kick that catches him in his chest and sends him flying. “Don’t ever be late for a bus again you scouse ****. And tell your pal Wilson he can fook off as well.’’
Martin runs over. “There was no need for that Roy,” he said. “Go f**k yourself,” I replied. “I could have you shot you motherless free state gobsh*te,” he said. “Sorry Martin.’’
So Keane is the rebel that wears a poppy:p
Get alternative reality Walters an alarm clock.
That had potential but actually turned out to be pretty crap.
Down to 68 in the rankings! worst ever - its a joke!
O'Neill out!
I quite enjoyed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
You've been affected by Mercer and 22 Minutes. You've changed man!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I watched RMR for the first time ever last night... But Keane parodies are always funny to me.
But yes, I've changed. :)
Gold.Quote:
BonnieShels was someone who I barely knew of but was prepared to give him a chance. Then he opened his mouth. It was the last time I didn’t hate him.
So Trap was right all along. The players can't be trusted to actually play?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Enjoyment is maybe too strong a word for me, but definitely gets marks for the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Ha, seeing as we're reviewing it, it was plausible and elicited a couple of sniggers until civil Martin interjected with a very uncharacteristic threat, presumably because Martin, despite his civility and decency, is also a "nordie". And, as everyone knows, all "nordies" could have you shot... A bad punch-line doesn't diminish all of the previous good work, however.
I love how Roy Keane gets the **** taken out of him for being a professional who takes his job seriously.
Maybe if more of our young players followed his lead, less of them would end up falling off the map by the time they reach age 25.
The Harry Ramsden's Challenge..... smh.
It does.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
What is a joke with a bad ending called then in that case?
Plus we aren't Free-staters any more, we're Mexicans.
Nordies should retain a bit of the menace that they could have someone shot, without actually saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
All O'Neill had to do was stare at Keane.
Keane staring back carries no threat, because we know he can't get anybody shot, as he's a southerner.
So if were in your nordie shoes, I wouldn't decommission the silent threat of the menace just yet.
There's still a bit of milage left in it.
No, he gets the **** taken out of him for being a nutjob who holds everyone to impossible standards and seems to suck the joy out of everything. Maybe that's not a fair characterisation, but it's how many see him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Maybe he should try and motivate players by telling them that they are crap, like Trapattoni? Frankly, I don't agree with the softly softly approach and everyone patting themselves on the back for a job well done just because they e.g. blow a lead and draw a game they should have won or draw a game they should have won and drop two points that could have directed the group in a completely different direction had they been accrued.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I keep harping on about David Forde in Stockholm and I know he had a good game but seeing the guy fist pumping and acting like we had accomplished something made him look like he had stars in his eyes.
I also know his comments about the party atmosphere in Poland peeved some people but it's frankly embarrassing seeing fans do the Poznan, have sing songs and have the craic when we are getting trounced in every game.
We are there to compete not have a good time.
I can completely see where Keane is coming from.
People can rag on his managerial stint at Ipswich and his hard-line attitude but look where it got him - singlehandedly driving United to a Champions League final and dragging us to a World Cup. I hope he imparts his wisdom on the players and there won't be any more starstruck attitudes when we go up against Germany and no more attitude of "ah, a point will be grand" against teams like Poland and Scotland.
We can ill afford any complacency after the hand we have been dealt with this group.
FFS you're arguing with yourself now. Stop winding yourself up.
I'd going to go out on a limb here and suggest there may be a middle ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
What are you babbling about?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
You're ranting needlessly. Again. With little to no provocation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Exactly. There should be a middle ground. Our players are not world beaters and Keane doesn't think they are, but their faults are nowhere near as exaggerated as the previous management made them out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Damn right Keane should expect them to have the same high standards for themselves that he maintained over his illustrious career.
He's far from a nutjob. He's just coming from a perspective where he is getting paid to be as good at his job as possible and not have as good a time as possible.
The "nutjob" comment about Keane was excessive. Of course I am going to argue it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Excessive? About right all things considered.
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I'd waited long enough. I f****** hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
For starters.Quote:
Even in the dressing room afterwards, I had no remorse. My attitude was, f*** him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He f***** me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
I think it's very unfair to overlook all the trophies he won and his managerial accomplishments at Sunderland and condense it all into one flashpoint involving Alf-Inge Haaland.
He's a bit more than a "nutjob" and his personality got him a lot further in his career than any of the other wallflowers we currently have in our squad.
Smashing player - genuine world class. Half decent manager. Nutjob.
Stu, Stu, Stu... Keane didn't write that. Eamon Dunphy invented it all. That's a fact. Roy and Alfie are great pals.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I certainly feel there's some ambiguity in those Keane quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
People saying James McCarthy needs to be more aggressive, assertive and vocal and then they show condescension towards Roy Keane and reduce to him a stereotype because of his aggression and assertiveness. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Again.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Nice little article in Sunday Times yesterday by Paul Rowan in relation to Keane's ITV career and conflict of interests with Ireland. Firstly we have a friendly the day after Champions League Final. Saying that Keane is ITV's trump card that night in ratings battle with Sky, would he leave Irish camp midstream for tv work?
Secondly and similar to Gary Neville's position, Rowan highlights Keane commenting on Irish players a few days after he worked with them. Refers to what he said about Coleman after Arsenal FA Cup defeat (and 4 days after Serbia defeat).... heard it myself, he said Coleman still has things to learn etc.... I thought at the time Keane was on shaky ground commenting on his players as a pundit like that...
Keane saying that a doubtlessly talented Irish player "has things to learn" is hardly a bad thing. And no doubt he has probably mentioned it to Seamie in person during squad sessions.
If Keane had called Seamie "brutal and not up to it" then maybe we could have an issue. But if Seamie was actually brutal and not up to it he wouldn't be playing for Ireland.
The conflict-of-interest is hardly any worse than when club managers are commenting on games.
I fail to see where Keane's role as International assistant manager is an actual conflict with his role as a pundit?
Keane will no doubt be in Lisbon the night of the game for ITV and will no doubt be back for the game v Turkey. It couldn't actually harm the squad's preparations, given he is the ASSISTANT after all!
I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole.
He's said nothing much so far on the Irish players. What does he do? hold back on the scorn? or dare I say it .... heaven forbid ..... fake his punditry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grafter
Maybe he just sees himself as a cone setter, not a serious manager like Ferguson. And one who'd rather make impact in the football world as the acerbic angry box office pundit. How the Mighty have fallen :rolleyes:
I thought he was only doing European matches. Not much chance of Irish players featuring there.
Don't ITV cover the FA cup?
Maybe they don't front their first team for that event :)
Anthony Stokes did, once or twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Let us remember the good times.
Clearly I'm using the wrong bait!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks