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Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
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Ye drew 3 all home to caherconlishQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
I dont think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
A town of 15000 people should be well able to maintain two clubs.
The root cause of the problem needs to be addressed...Keeping kids playing sport rather than letting them drift away.
Anyway that is a conversation for somewhere else rather than a junior soccer forum.
Good to see some common sense prevailed and most teams are off until the new year
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Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Oh yes you're right Second we did and all, my memory is terrible!! But Yeah Shuffleruns i agree i think we will get 3 points from the other 2 to stay up. No team in 1A is unbeatable, far from it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Second
Must be the memory going in my old age ;) but in fairness two months is a bit of a stretch to go without a win, especially seeing as they've played a couple of teams a few divisions bellow them in that time frame too? Hopefully the break over the Christmas will do them the world of good and they come back raring to go and start picking up the points needed would be awful to see a Shannon team go down to 1B from the Premier in two seasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by old git
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Originally Posted by Bayern Munchies
wouldnt be the first time it happened them recently.. they dropped down to 1 B about 4 seasons ago. seems like a mess out there, pity, great facilities, always a nice place to play.
Town for the drop. It's possible!
Its possible any two from shannon town down could be relegated.
Of course it possible! Hopefully it won't happen and I do believe we have enough about us to be closer to the top rather than the bottom come the end of the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Lev ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lev Yashin
agree with you ye should have enough about ye to work your way up the table a lot of football still to be played and plenty of points to be won any sign of any new signings on the way .
Town will definitely have enough to stay up and secure a mid table finish or even a top half position but in fairness that is all they can hope for in a league which bar a full strength Kilmallock offers little in any quality football. A proper Junior Team should be able to win this League at a canter.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Lev, Shannon Town has a population of less the 10,000 and obviously cannot produce a decent junior/schoolboy Football team/club because you have three clubs pulling out of each other. The town needs one club so all resources ( financial, facility, committee, player, coach) can be pooled together to provide the youngsters and the interested Shannon Junior players with a proper environment to play the game. This is not just a problem in Shannon, it is all over the country, way too many soccer clubs and so little quality produced because of it.
I was working evenings Monday when they trained and was away new years day so I dont know if there was any new bodies. But I do know the numbers where very good both days.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
couldn't agree more. well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beam me up
have to agree with the one team in Shannon idea. I think too many want to hold onto their clubs identity, history etc and would rather win local battles (derbies, Wesley webs) that combine the clubs for the better of football in Shannon. In recent years it seems that when the players pooled together (went to one club) there were quite successful, but those days seem long gone, with clubs struggling for mediocrity and happy with that as long as they are better than their rivals. Its a shame really
I do agree with most of what is said...but, Shannon town have two teams with about 15/16 per team...Hibs have one team with about the same if not more..Shannon Olympic have two teams with about 15/16(i assume) signed..and you have Rineanna as well with about the same number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Feet Up
That's about 80 players give or take..So if you combine all them into one club you maybe have an A and B team but you not likely to have C and D teams so what will end up happening is players will drift away and no longer play football..which is exactly what we dont want to happen.
There is more to this than lets get one super club and compete....what about the hundreds of schoolboys who will coming through and wont be able to play with a team locally....
I agree that something should be done but it needs to be carefully thought out and not just slapdash thing of bunging all the teams together and hoping that we get one good team out of it.
don't know what clubs have what teams, but surely there is enough leagues for the teams to play in. Presuming there are enough leagues in limerick that would cope with such.
Anyway it will never be a runner in my opinion. For all the money and effort put in by all clubs , there could be a fantastic facility (astro, lights etc) in Shannon for the football players but instead they fund the local GAA club
it will never happen to much politics and egos involved now , but do agree with lev over 80 junior players would be to much to absorb into a new club especially when all 80 think they are good enough to be playing A team football :eek: easiest solution one team call it shannon town / united / afc etc a new crest and off we go simlple as that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Two Feet Up
are there 80 junior players in Shannon?Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
if it was ever considered it would need an 'upper' management structure with some people who are not tied to any one existing club to oversee the whole thing. Let them make the hard decisions and go from there.
but as said to even get the relevant people into a room to discuss such would be a big ask considering the ego's and agenda's. Its a pity as the possibility is there and there would be only one winner, football players in Shannon!
Shannon just does not have the players. Shannon Olympic are the only team going well and they are in the 1st division in Clare.
You compare that with a town the size of Tralee with four teams - and two of them Tralee Dynamos and St Brendans park are competing at the business end of most national competitions. Shannon population around 15000 - Tralee around 20000.
In 2011 Shannon had a population of less than 10k people and with alot of foreigners gone home since then its less. You cant compare tralee and shannon. As for shannon olympic doing well fair play to them but as you say its only div 1 in clare and they have only played 3 games. Plus they have alot of mercenaries .. the mercenaries are the real reason football in shannon is doomed...a club should be built on 9 or 10 club men with a few young lads thrown in too not these lads that jump ship everytime they get dropped. Rant over
80 junior players in shannon....get 60 of them including some of their friends to set up a 7 a side astro league ( most of these players should not be playing organised 11 a side football ) and they can fund a decent astro ++ football facility in shannon that would cater for the youngsters and a decent Junior A & B Team set up. One club could easily accommodate an A & B Team at each age level.
Shannons population is well over 12000 even with all the boys gone home, Tralee has a population of 20000 in 2011 so a lot of their boys gone home.
Tralee has four teams competing in the Kerry league plus another four B teams - i think its a great comparison..
The likes of Shannon town have players that think they are better than what they are and just dont have the quality to get to the premier never mind stay there.
Hibs we all see whats going on there - and these so called mercenaries are doing a good job at the momnt and only time will see.... Rant started :)
You want to elaborate on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DSMALL1
Dsmall1 your delusional the stats are that in 2011 there was 9673 people in shannon. Half that of tralee. But you recon shannon has grown by 3000 in two years. 😃Tralee is a proper town with streets and loads of businesses. What does shannon have.them kerry clubs you mention have had alot of financial backing something no shannon company can offer.. I agree about players in shannon ( every club ) thinking they are better than they are. but that happens in every team in every league.. as for olympic they have played 3 games and have 7 points only 33 more and they will be promoted. 1st division in clare is an easy option for these lads. .. who wont/ cant commit to higher level of football.
Also dsmall1 tralee have 2 premier divs A and B and have 2 tralee teams in both so not exactly brilliant to have 4 premier teams out of 20
Some of the players think they are better than what they are, like most clubs some players don't know their limitations - not attacking your club Lev. Or I didn't mean to come across attacking Shannon town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lev Yashin
I was comparing Tralee as another big town to Shannon as I went to college there!! Maybe it is all about the money...
bit harsh on Shannon town ,,, but probably agree at the moment they don't have enough quality to get promoted but a few new signings may help. as for hibs a bit of a disaster at the moment but personally I think the other two Shannon teams , may end up with the same problems in the not to distant future ,, as for the so called mercenaries at Olympic probally the best footballing panel of players in Shannon at the moment .. but what does the future hold for Olympic >? b team looking like they are going to be scrapped no underage / youth set-up and they really only benefit from players leaving other clubs don't forget at start of season and Wesley webb they were lucky to even field a teamQuote:
Originally Posted by DSMALL1
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Originally Posted by Second
to be classed as a mercenarie you have to get paid for your service ... ? I have heard Olympic have a special arrangement with a few players about not paying any membership fees :confused: agree with you that football in Shannon is going backwards as players seem to have no heart/passion / loyalty to stay at clubs and battle for team /places
Wouldn't believe that about Olympic giving out free membership to players. Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
as for the Shannon clubs, IMO reckon out of the three clubs now there would be only 4-9 players with the quality to play in limerick premier.
if one club were to put a decent side together you'd need good coaches first to make it work, a lot of players in Shannon have a bad attitude and I doubt have had any real coaching given to them to improve them as players. maybe in ten years this might work :) cause the kids/youths now have been coached proper from an early age so the standard should improve in Shannon for the future IMO.
For me, one club is the right way forward with an a/b/c team with good facilities, look at the gaa, why cant there by a football club/environment like that?
The astro league sounds a good idea - that would work if organised right.
Rant Over :D
the gaa is a different story all town / villages usually have a good gaa set up as community usual support them well im sure if any of the Shannon soccer teams had a clubhouse and bar for the last 30 years they would be all doing better now .. on another note when was the last time a gaa senior hurling/football team won a trophy and by all accounts both teams even struggling to get managers so all not to bright down there eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
If Olympic are offering selective free membership they are the only club that could afford to do so due to the low overheads they would have compared to the other clubs.
IMO there is enough talent in Shannon to have a Limerick Premier Team the problem is if there is enough interested talent.
It would be great to have a football facility in Shannon to match that of the GAA and having one football base in the Town.
As for the coaching of kids in Ireland, yes most coaches have now attended courses and can put on far better training sessions than they could a few years back but whether that has improved the quality of players and football being played in matches is very much debatable.
I have watched a few schoolboy games in the area and I still see the coaches roaring and shouting at these young kids if they make a mistake and encouraging them to not to take any risks and asking them to punt it forward. The FAI and local leagues dont help with the way they set up their competitions and apply 11 a side from a very young age.
That's a whole other argument - if you go by the posts on this site over the last few years it's the SFAI (Schoolboys FAI) that run underage football and the local league committee are a bunch of old fogies! North Tipperary are the only ones around here that are playing with 7v7 and 9v9 leagues in schoolboy football.
Very random numbers out of you haha Any names of these 4-9 players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Rob Wall, Gary O'Connell, Brian McGorrian(?), Jamie Egan, Gary Leahy(?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs7772
Thats all i can think of, and two are doubtful.
I think you could throw in evan glynn (experienced) and sean burke ( good young talent) from town ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
And from hibs both alex cole and tuts have good potential ..
Steve dolan / bj cantolin / bobby o Connell olympicQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Adrian carew / ken buckely / evan glynn / sean burke town a / jimmy houlihan / alex cole hibs
Ya sorry would include Evan Glynn and Adrian Carew. No chance for the rest maybe Sean Burke in some years..Quote:
Originally Posted by old git
Well Brian McGorrian was in with Limerick at one stage so to say he's doubtful to be capable to play Premier I would say is a bit strange but yeah I more or less agree with you, say there are a couple more alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Shuffleruns
Would ? His fitness tho..put him up against any premier midfielder and they'd batter him IMO. Good player tho!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs7772
Sure look how hibs did last season in the premier with these players.
You think Shannon Olympic would have the funds to let players off membership? Well if you choose to believe in rumours that is your fault pal! Loyalty/Heart/Passion its junior footballl, with some players in this town they dont leave because a club is going down, they leave because they just arent enjoying the football. At this level for a player it is a hobby something you enjoy, Too many dunphy pundits in Shannon (not having a pop at you as it may seem) i just completely disagree with that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by old git