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News report/guesses that the team will be announced at 2pm.
So its not like geysirs team then Tipp Townie?! :p
Haha, near enough!
Yeah - this will be the first home game that I can't attend for a long time and its completely fecked up the build up for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The mere mention of Macedonia re-opens the mental scars of the past anyway. I'm still not over the trauma of the last 12 seconds equaliser.
Pre Match Tension Status: DEF CON 2.
Good God that was ugly..Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
But enough about them shirts.
Harsh red card, he was going for and got the ball :D
I was making a list in my head the other night of the worst sickener goals scored against us over the last 30 years.
Top 5 quality sickeners, in no order
Belgium '81
Gelsenkirchen '88
Macedonia '99
Mendieta's penalty 2002
France 2009
Honourable sick memories
Oslo '84
Schillaci '90
Bonner v Holland '94
Henry 2005
A couple of others that spring to mind under the "honourables" are Bulgaria, Sofia '87 and Israel's last minute equaliser in Tel Aviv in (03? / 05??)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I suppose they fall under my repressed memory sickeners. I need more therapy.
Another one. Croatia, '99?? - 4 minutes (count them) added time.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Played deep for a draw. They said it was madness. They were right.
team confirmed:
westwood
foley
dunne
o'dea
kilbane
duff
gibson
whelan
mcgeady
keane
doyle
Clarke for O'Dea and I'd be happy enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
I don't remember oslo, but why henrys free kick as being a sick one? Cos we were still in with a chance of qualification or because it ruined our 10 year competitive avoiding defeat streak(unbeaten)?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Would have been a perfect opportunity to play Clarke, think Kilbane got then nod due to his height at set pieces and lack of it further up the field.
Where are the Trapologists now to defend the CB pairing? Seriouslly? There are no excuses, no reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Is that the study of Trapattoni? MSc in Trapology.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I'm not going to defend it. Think it's bad decision. We should still win the game though.
And if we do then of course everyone forgets about it. Well not me and Noely or probably john giles :D
It is strange. As someone posted earlier, it can only be Trap having more familiarity with O'Dea, he's been around the squads for a lot longer and perhaps has shown some decent stuff this week in training.
Who's our no.14 there? Looks like David Kelly but didnt think he was still playing then?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
Crosby is probably right in that Trapatonni has seen something in training or more likely O'Dea has been around the squad longer. Its a Miller/McShane type decision and they rarely if ever work out. O'Dea is not getting his game for Ipswich. Bizarre decision.
Well when you're wrong 85% of the time, you're right 15% of the time...Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
http://www.untoldentertainment.com/b...er_waldorf.jpg
Definitely Kelly. Was having a bit of a renaissance at Tranmere at the time as I remember...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
It was Kelly. We finished up that game with Kelly and Jon Goodman up front, iirc!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
IS that noely on the left just before a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
It's a strange selection alright but still relatively marginal. O'Dea has played against good quality non-UK players much more than Clark, for example. It's not a hanging offence. I'd have gone with KK at LB myself and Clark at CB. I hate the nonsense of "if we win, they'll all forget". If O'Dea plays well it'll have been the right decision, if he plays badly it'll have been the wrong decision. Win, draw or lose.
I was third guy and decided to jump after seeing the team sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Goodman!! Ah, memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
I suppose the example of kelly and foley is not the exact one here, because they were both around the squad for a long time, but Kelly has played very little of late whereas foley is always playing. The example of Ledger coming in after 1 game against Nigeria also doesn't hold true that Trap won't do it if he has to. The only closest thing is the fact that O'dea hasn't played at all he cant get his game for ipswich, kelly cant get his game for fulham, he goes with foley cos he trusts both of them as they have been around long enough but he doesn't trust Clark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
I really think it must just come down to trust.
Yes stutts but these things are often forgottten, and sadly a loss is whats required to force the managers hand - a lot of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Surely Dunne and other senior players must be wondering how a player who can't get his game at Ipswich is being selected ahead of a player who plays alongside Dunne at Aston Villa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Can we trust your facts Paul?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Hasn't O'Dea has been playing regularily for Ipswich since the time of the Norway game?
or experience. Clark hasn't even had one full season of first team footy and less than half of that has been at CB. He's prone to the odd rash challenge. We're playing against an in form Inter Milan striker.
Sometimes people here can only see things in black or white terms.
Either player is a risk. We're missing SSL and JO'S FFS. All I can say is thank Jaysus we're not relying on McShane.
Just a thought: does anyone reckone Dunne would have been consulted?
Including keeping Arsenal scoreless for 150 minutes, albeit at left back I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
O'Dea may not be the favoured choice - and I don't agree with it - but, as Stutts said, there's every chance he'll put in a performance tomorrow. And we could still lose. What then?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Don't agree with the selection but let's save the doom-mongering until after the game.
Also from Ken Early's Twitter:
Ken Early
trap irate at suggestions he tells full-backs to stay back. he cites cabrini and brehme. expect similar from foley and kilbane
I thought Collins plays beside Dunne at Villa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Tets, dig out the last 12 weeks' appearance stats please!
My Facts, i only put up what is the case:Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
1-Feb-2011 Championship Derby County 1-2 Ipswich Unused Substitute.
5-Feb-2011 Championship Ipswich 3-0 Sheffield United Unused Substitute.
12-Feb-2011 Championship Barnsley 1-1 Ipswich Started on bench, introduced on 86 m.
15-Feb-2011 Championship Doncaster Rovers 0-6 Ipswich Unused Substitute.
19-Feb-2011 Championship Ipswich 1-1 Hull City Unused Substitute.
22-Feb-2011 Championship QPR 2-0 Ipswich Unused Substitute.
26-Feb-2011 Championship Ipswich 0-2 Portsmouth Unused Substitute.
5-Mar-2011 Championship Cardiff 0-2 Ipswich Started on bench, introduced on 29 m.
8-Mar-2011 Championship Ipswich 1-3 Reading Started, played whole game.
12-Mar-2011 Championship Leeds United 0-0 Ipswich Started, played whole game.
15-Mar-2011 Championship Ipswich 0-3 Watford Unused Substitute.
19-Mar-2011 Championship Ipswich 2-0 Scunthorpe Unused Substitute.
2 full games in 2 months pretty much....hardly every game now geysir.
I'm sure if DUnne was consulted he is going to select his team mate given how comfortable he would be with him. I doubt it happened, it would completely undermine trap to be asking senior players who they want playing/who they prefer playing.
Henry's goal wasn't a free kick. It was sublime but not a free.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Re starting line-up I think it's ludicrous having O'Dea in centre back. He looked very shaky in last friendly and is not playing regularly. Clark in there as Dunne's team-mate at Villa is the obvious choice.
Didn't realise O'Shea and St.Ledger were both injured
:pumpkin:
More Twitter:
Ken Early
trap explains that gibson is preferred to green because macedonia like to defend a line on the pitch that is just inside DG's shooting range
Trapattoni would sicken you. Wouldn't be surprised to see Green & Keogh brought on at half time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
He has played alongisde Clark in a few games also, more cup games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88