You don't have to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Yes, fair play to them for doing what supporters tend to do. Well done!
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You don't have to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Yes, fair play to them for doing what supporters tend to do. Well done!
If said commentator had built it up by describing him as Wigan's young, ex-Hamilton midfielder, it'd have missed more than one! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Hehe, cheers. Although I still pop in regularly; just don't have as much time on my hands for the mammoth posting sprees at the minute. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
You have a fair point there.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Not really PO'S. They only have about 20 other songs they could sing. Personally I'd rather hear 'The Sash'....
Is the fields of athenry political?? Sure its about the famine, but political??
According to some on YBIG, the nordies have been causing trouble in ballsbridge area after the game tonight, anyone confirm? Hopefully (and wouldnt be surprised if it is) its bull. Bleating on about on FM104 at the moment, surprise surprise.
Attendance tonight was 18,742. That is actually very good considering last night was just slightly more.
That'd be a shame, I thought they made a good atmosphere regardless of what they were singing.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
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Originally Posted by elroy
If true of course it will be a minority.
They find FOA as political, or maybe they just do to have something to fight back against.
That is quite good relatively speaking. I was surprised with the attendance last night. I was even more surprised when I was at the Argentina game, the first international in the new stadium, and people literally couldn't give away tickets outside the ground. Has interest in the national team really waned that much?Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Best fans in the world 2008, was it? Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
You'd think that wouldn't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
But they really don't.
We're not Brazil
Billy Boys
GSTQ
The Sash
Rule Britannia
Thats kinda it. 5 songs, 2 of which are to a tune they ripped off from somewhere else.
No idea why they don't sing Danny Boy. Probably don't want the powers that be to know they know the words in case they don't get GSTQ played before a match.
Only judging by the more 'liberal' on OWB. I'm sure they also sing a certain song to the 'tune' of Sloop John B....
:eek:
There's loads of songs in Irish culture that have the same air as others.
'The Sash' (if memory serves me correct) is to the same air as Roddy McCorley. In turn, Sean Sabhat from Garryowen is to the same air again.
'Raglan Road' is to the air of 'Dawning of the day'
But why they sing 'God Save The Queen' and 'Rule Britannia' is beyond me.
Just proves they're a statelet if England rather than an entity of their own.
SCreams insecurity to me.
But fair play to those who came down and crated an atmosphere. And indeed, it is their right to sing whatever they want regardless of whether we like it or not.
Fair play to the Scots who came over too. Saw a fair few of them walking around town in kilts today (which, incidentally was an old Irish tradition adopted by the Scots - ok history lesson over)
you're sure are you? you're really, really sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
shouldn't you really say you wish they did so you could justify being outraged and it would then be ok to tarnish a whole bunch of people to fit your narrow perceptions, right? isn't that closer to the truth?
Except I am sure. As I do know or have associated with your fans. And do still. So guess it's my experience of 'the truth'.
Some of them didn't or don't know my roots, but did suggest a certain historical event was now over in the words of their song. Albeit rather crudely.
However, by implication in my earlier statement, guessing it's only 'some' who would do this, but not a 'whole bunch', if that helps?
Similarly amongst their merchandise are various other tasteful items proclaiming, eg 'I hate beggars', but again it's not all but some who bother to buy these. Presumably those who do though, are beyond reproach in your eyes??
You should consider the cause and results of 'divide-and-rule', rather than, er, shooting the messenger.
No ideas on the percentages, but do know there's at least a minority who want to get drunk, sing their more reflective songs and be done with it. But then again, there's those who can't let go....
As yer man says it's some form of Insecurity.
Well hopefully we can all agree that it's a form of insecurity and not feel the need to prolong the discussion.
here's a bag of chips. go see if there's any room left on your shoulder to balance even more of them on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
seems like the person who can't let go is you.
Being an Irishman, the only place I would place a spud product is in the belly....even you should know that??
;)
3-0 Scotland FT.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...89433371_1.jpg
Anyone heard from Ealing Green of late!
Have no problem with fans of any country having their flags and banners etc and we as a country prob need to get over our sensitivity to the union jack and so on. Although flags carrying the names of certain loyalist/unionist organisations has no place in football. However I do think the same fans should have some sense of respect for the visiting country. By and large I would like to think we do and aim to have the craic with the home fans. Like we wouldnt go to Austria singing about the holocaust for example or to germany and sing about the berlin wall or the WWs etc. Now I know our history is so closely linked with NI in comparison to the examples I used there but nonetheless I think they could have some respect and tone down the political orientated songs for such a visit.
Oh and of course the Welsh fans, singing Thierry Henry on Tuesday night. Didnt like that either, still too soon, Im a sensitive soul. But seriously that sort of chant is banter and thats fair enough, its the politically motivated stuff that shouldnt be in our game.
Rule Britannia is not sectarian or offensive. I'm sure it wound up the Scottish fans and will wind up our fans in May
Sorry for raising this question, dont want this thread to descent political: but I believe when Ireland played England in Nov 1990 in LR, GSTQ wasnt played?? Is this true and what were the reasons? Was ANaF played?
Were the anthems played that infamous night in 1995?
Ha ha. Nice try....GS.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
And as I recall GSTQ was not played in '95 or even @ the rugby until Croke??
Its always been played at the rugby. it just wasn't played in croke park.
re-1995, both anthems were played as far as I can recall. There was some booing of GSTQ from the South Terrace, but it was far from widespread. I was on the North Terrace and there was no booing. Some English interviewed on TV tried to justify the riot by using that, but the reality was that even during GSTQ their own fans, almost to a man in the West Upper, stood up and gave Nazi salutes. Quite an astonishing sight to anyone who was there.
In 1990 I think only our anthem was played. Totally poisonous atmosphere that day.
I don't have any big deal with what NI fans sang. The atmosphere came across as really good. Footy songs are often foul or distasteful, or antagonistic. There's a line between what is and isn't acceptable, but Thierry Henry would get me mad before anything political! When England sing "No Surrender" I find it sad, rather than offensive.
re-Ardee Bhoy's earlier post about the excesses of the British Empire and the affect on his / our ancestors, what about the excesses of the outgoing government and some sections of our own people? A generation of negative equity, emigration and all kinds of economic woe awaits. We can't blame this one on the Brits. I, for one, am hoping that this whole sad affair leads to us having a more mature relationship with Britain. By all means hate them in sport though!
Fair points I suppose, much of how one feels comes down to personal experience.
Let's get back to the football, eh?
Remaining fixtures:
Tuesday May 24th
Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland
Wednesday May25th
Wales v Scotland
Friday May 27th
Wales v Northern Ireland
Sunday May 29th
Republic of Ireland v Scotland
Based on the first round of games and results, it's reasonable to conclude that it's between us and Scotland for the title. The game against NI would be a good opportunity to give players on the fringes a run out as we don't need to win it, and based on NI's performance last night, we shouldn't need to field a strong side to get a positive result.
I'd say we'll draw with NI, Scotland will beat Wales and then Scotland will get the draw they need against us to win the tournament.
Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
It was most certainly played in Croke Park. One man pulled his father's all-ireland medals out of the Museum in protest. And I'm fairly sure it was played in LR in 1995. Not sure about 1990. I imagine it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's always been played at the rugby. In fact it is in the IRFU manifesto that GSTQ should be played when Ireland rugby team play in Ravenhill but the Ulster Rugby Association, in their wisdom, choose not to. I imagine it's 'Ireland's AWFUL Call'
Darron Gibson and Marc Wilson to start against NI. With a shock recall for Alan Kernaghan
Based on the performance last night, Nigel Worthington might reconsider his selection policy for our game...Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I don't think Nigel knows how he can improve the team. NI have only scored a couple of goals in the last two years of international football regardless of team selections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
NI can play ten times better than last night though - they were woeful and undermotivated. I'd be very surprised if they are not considerably more fired up and determined against us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I've sure I've seen far better keepers than Tuffey leave in goals like those conceded by NI last night. Three or four defenders stood there looking at Miller for the first. The second was well poxy -though he (Tuffey) should've measured it better and been closer to his line. But again I've seen better than him caught out when a ball dips like that. He made a couple of fine saves in there as well.
The IFA still persist with GSTQ as an anthem to represents the IFA team, a region with 2 established constitutionally recognised national identities.
Far be from me to tell another association how to run its shop,:rolleyes: except to remark that the IFAs instutionalised belligerence in maintaining this particular aspect of homogeneous identity, in the face of social and constitutional progress made over the last 20 years, will contribute to ensure that we have a decent enough pool of northern born players to choose from for the foreseeable future.
Ten times better ;) And I don't think you can say they were lacking motivation. After all they got to meet Ken Doherty and play in the Aviva.
But they can certainly improve on their organisation and defensive structure, and from other games I've watched they can present a danger on the break.
In Tuffey's defence, as an ex-keeper I can tell you that there's nothing worse than when an intended cross goes is misdirected towards goal. You see the ball being struck, you set yourself up for the cross and then too late. It beats keepers regularly and it's why you hear the question so often asked "was it intentional?". It rarely is I reckon. Hennessy was beaten all ends up by Duff's cross on Tuesday.
Tuffey is no Alan Mannus, to be sure to be sure.
WC Feb 2009 San Marino W 3-0Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
WC Mar 2009 POLAND W 3-2
WC Mar 2009 Slovenia W 1-0
WC Sep 2009 Poland D 1-1
WC Sep 2009 SLOVAKIA L 0-2
WC Oct 2009 Czechia D 0-0
EC Sep 2010 Slovenia W 1-0
EC Oct 2010 ITALY D 0-0
EC Oct 2010 Faeroes D 1-1
P-9 W-4 D-4 L-1 F-10 A-6 Pts-16