ExplainQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
ExplainQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
It's the difference between a competitive game between two clubs with a massively differenital budget and a friendly between an ill-organised XI and a club with an equally unimaginable just about to start their season.
I saw one of the stewarts leap with joy when utd scored in the 1st half. Horrible to watch.
For the derry fan that said i would go with my liverpool shirt if bray were playing liverpool.
i never f*****g said that i said that if liverpool were playing i would go beacuse i think i have a right to go for the simple reason that i travel across the country for bray and to be honest i would be chearing on bray, i never said i would go wit my shirt and chear on liverpool.
so get the facts true mate.
Seen atleast three stewards withs hands on their heads when Rooney blasted over the bar aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Park_Lane
I hope for your sake they don't podcast tonights topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bry Boy
And yiz cant get yer hands on him....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
In fairness to the young lad from Bray he came across well and he was caught out by the question, he said he'd go but obviously hadn't heard the part about wearing a Liverpool jersey and cleared up the matter as soon as he could. I had to turn it off shortly afterwards as with every other occasion Adrian Kennedy is on the radio I was getting ever closer to throwing it out the window.
Match was a farce, League of Ireland players must have been told not to put in any tackles and starting Brennan was a disaster, Madden as a lone striker was also a shocking choice. Powell at left full against Valencia when Powell has been in shocking form for weeks was also baffling. As has been pointed out though the result will have zero effect on encouraging/discouraging the barstool fans to go to see a League of Ireland game, it was always just a promotional exercise for Manchester United PLC.
Aye....I shur do bouy. Thats why I get accused of being a dub by my countymates!Quote:
Originally Posted by danthesaint
Thats what the podcast is for...... :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Aw Dunny, its always this bad after matches and concerts, so will be fine!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Actually quite a few and until recently almost a 1/3 of our committee were female! But sadly most of them aren't as brazen as me to ring up radio shows and give out to poor weak minded men like Adrian and Joe Duffy.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Brat.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
Very well said about clubs over here becoming a family, you would never ever get that with a corporate club imo.
Have said many times before that the league to me is like a family, I respect all the clubs but some of them I am not that fond of like old uncle Dundalk who just talks about the good old days and farts. :-p
Old uncle Dundalk will show you lot a thing or two Tuesday week. :D
Am scared of Old Uncle Dundalk....
Oh btw anyone who wishes me to record messages for their phones, I will only charge €2 a word, thats my "LOI FAMILY" rate. :D
were they wearing Liverpool jerseys? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blue til i die
Peers and Ndo emerged uninjured - all that matters to me about that little skirmish last night.
I didn't watch it, but sounded like a great advert for United, a great advert for the FAI as it now cements "the LoI is crap" and they're justified in their disinterest, and a great night for Delaney as he gets to mix with Alex, Wayne and the rest of his boys.
Was at the game last night and tbh I didn't expect anything different, one of the best club sides in europe against a weakened LOI xi that had at best a couple of training sessions together.
I agree that it is depressing to be in a stadium where the majority of the home crowd are cheering on a foreign side but that was a battle we lost long ago, what is sickening is to hear people use last nights result as a reason to dismiss the LOI out of hand, the same people conveniently ignored Bohs recent win over Villa (that game coming less than 24 hours after Bohs had played a league game in Bray).
My message is to be still proud of your league and your clubs.
In a weird parallel to this Man Utd farce, Barcelona were in my current home country this week to play a K-League select in Seoul. My Korean friends were w*nking themselves silly about the prospect, and were even considering staying in Seoul overnight (we live 3 hours away) just to see the Barca players train. Yet these lads wouldn't go and see either of their closest K-League teams (Daegu FC or Pohang Steelers) if their lives depended on it.
The stadium in Seoul sold out for the visit of Man Utd against a similar K-League select last year, while attendances for K-League games are distictly average, given the fantastic stadiums, huge urban population, and soccer's undisputed status as the country's number one sport. Daegu FC get about 10-15,000 per game, despite playing in a 65,000 capacity stadium, with a population of 2,500,000 in the city. And they're one of the better-supported teams. Trouble is, EPL games are shown on free-to-air TV, and that's the opiate of the masses here. There's even a cafe in my little rural town called 'Manchester' which is ridiculously Man Utd themed.
I thought Irish people were the biggest event junkies in the world before I came here. During the World Cup, all my students would come into school with Korea shirts, going on about Park Ji-Sung, shouting 'Tae Han Min Guk' as loudly as they could. When I asked them what teams they had played in qualifying, they looked at me as if I had two heads - even though they had played the North twice. Imagine Irish fans not knowing that we had played our biggest rivals, twice, in competitive games, within the last two years?
This has put the LOI experience into perspective, for me. Ireland is only one of five countries in Europe where soccer is not the most popular sport (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland being the others). It's the only one of those five to have rugby as a popular alternative, and the only country bar Finland where an indigenous sport is king. Add to this, our mostly rural and fragmented population, compared to the metropolitan sprawl of Korea, and it's easy to see how LOI clubs would struggle. The numbers just aren't there, and the sports culture is too divided up to foster a strong league. My (admittedly pessimistic) view is that if Korea can't market their own league to the masses, even after hosting a World Cup, how can we expect to do it?
That said, I've always enjoyed going to LOI games, and if I come home (unlikely at the moment, with a 2-year contract and a Korean girlfriend), I'll be making a special effort to bring my nephews and friends to see Wexford Youths.
it dosent matter to much in the grand scheme of things but it was really poor from our boys last night. i thought ken oman was decent at the back despite 7 goals going in but not all his fault. powell was ok going forward in the 2nd half but he was poor at the back. seemed afraid to do anything with the ball when they had it. very disappointing. it was an exhibition match, have a go for God's sake, no pressure. Sheppard was ok when he came on, should have scored.
Supreme feet - I'd disgaree with your comment that football isn't the most popular sport here - it's the most played sport for starters, and I think Ireland qualifiers get higher ratings than all bar maybe the All Ireland Final and a Six Nations decider (but not the games v Italy); can't find any details for that latter point though. There's more than enough barstoolers cramming pubs each week to give us a league comparable to Denmark or Norway.
But the South Korean comparison is interesting; thanks for sharing!
On the game, I think Billy Lord is spot on. No surprise what happened (even down to presenters praising the utterly non-existent atmosphere); all anyone can do is work at the small things to make their own club better.
My experience with EPL teams touring Japan would have been the same. people who'd never never been to a J-League game were in raptures over visits by Man. United.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Football attendances differ greatly according to the team, but with a population of 120 million, they are still decent. Last week's attendances for J1, with the two figures in bold in the bottom corner showing total and average attendances. J2 games can get as low as 2000 for the weaker clubs. Still way higher than LOI on average, of course.
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31 Jul Urawa Reds Omiya Ardija Saitama.S 40,326
31 Jul Kashima Antlers Vissel Kobe Kashima 16,415
31 Jul Yokohama F･Marinos Nagoya Grampus Nissan.S 29,964
31 Jul Albirex Niigata F.C.Tokyo Tohoku Den.S 36,910
31 Jul Jubilo Iwata Cerezo Osaka Yamaha 10,021
01 Aug Gamba Osaka Montedio Yamagata Kanazawa 11,036
01 Aug Sanfrecce Hiroshima Kyoto Sanga F.C. Hiroshima.B 16,193
01 Aug Kawasaki Frontale Vegalta Sendai Todoroki 16,326
01 Aug Shonan Bellmare Shimizu S-Pulse Hiratsuka 13,316 190,507 21,167
Now I'm not a man to subscribe to conspiracy theories (okay, I am), but thought it interesting that tyhe 4 players who the ex-Shamrock Rovers manager decided to leave on for the full 90 minutes were all Bohs players. And who are Bohs playing on Sunday . . . . .
Ndo was very good, Keegan did well also, thought Sheppard posed more of a threat than Madden when he came on, Peers was an absolute disaster.
Mulcahy's goal got a great cheer, but the crowd was in the middle of a Mexican wave at the time which boosted the noise level. Didn't see many of 'the family' there, a few Sligo heads and United lads and lasses, you couldn't move for the Anti-Glazer brigade, a lot of whom bought Norwich scarves from stalls outside (can't imagine any of that money will end up with MUST) and were decked out in the new kit, putting money in the Glazers' pockets. Hilarious.
I think Peers will be mentally injured after the mess he made of that first goal!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fivesilver
What was supposed to be a celebratory night for Irish football turned into a complete humiliation. Every barstooler's perception and prejudice about the League of Ireland was confirmed. Hugely damaging.
Delaney should be ashamed of himself.
This is the man who, after the game against France, looking for an example of a meaningless, useless football match chose 'Bohs v Waterford' - a fixture from the league he's supposed to be supporting.
This is the man who made the pathetic approach to FIFA to make Ireland the 33rd team at the World Cup.
I suspect after the game last night he went for a slap up meal with the Man U big wigs and got his photo taken with Alex Ferguson. Go now, Delaney - you are hated, hated, hated.
I feel sorry for Damian Richardson, a passionate supporter and defender of the LOI. Complete embarrassment and humiliation for him as well.
Richard Sadlier can only induce bemusement. He can never find anything positive to say about the league (although admittedly last night was probably one of the worst days ever for domestic football). Why is he involved with the League at all?
I watched twenty minutes of the game with the sound turned down to avoid the spectacle of Irish people cheering on a team from Lancashire.
A terrible night for Irish football. A terrible, terrible night.
If Rico was thet much a supporter of the LoI, he'd not have gotten involved at the outset.
exactly...thankyou. hes depressing to listen to, he should be kicked off the TV. always moaning, hes so negative.Quote:
Richard Sadlier can only induce bemusement. He can never find anything positive to say about the league (although admittedly last night was probably one of the worst days ever for domestic football). Why is he involved with the League at all?
why not? im sure he would see it as an honour to manage the league select. not his fault they let him down in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The embarrassment for the LoI was the overall event, not the performance.
I never understood the perception of people on this site. I can understand people feeling frustrated that a competition isn't as popular as they'd wish but dragging national pride into it is ridiculous.
There was a time when supporting the 'foreign games' like soccer meant you had no national pride. Nowadays if you're not supporting an Irish soccer club side you have no national pride. Especially strange accusations coming from a site that are notoriously anti-GAA.
Maybe we should leave behind these silly notions and accept that people support the sports and teams that entertain them?
Fully agree Stu, Rico's "uncle Tom" role in this should not be forgotten. The things desperate people do to find work :oQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
for th derry fan again i didnt hear the liverpool shirt thing but if i am rite i did say that i would go with my bray shirt and support the league of ireland.
I think Rico has a lost a lot of credibility out of this farce, ever since the game was announced he has been Delaney's lap dog on MNS afraid to cast his normally over inflated opinion against the FAI, A lot of people on here have to make peace with the barstoolers I have they will never change there moronic ways end of, nearly every one I know is a barstooler (apart from friends picked up in Richmond of course!) it is sadly one of those sad idiosyncrasies of the Irish people they sit in their dingy boozers singing at a telly thinking they are the greatest football fans on earth, this show why frued said "This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever. and I can see why.I found a book on amazon the FAI should pick up it could give them clowns a few pointers.
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Just because its true doesn't mean we all have to like it or subscribe to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Each to their own, but I reserve the right to view many of the knuckledraggers who attended last night's farce with derision and contempt. This isn't an Irish phenomena, the "no al calcio moderno" movement, Supporters Direct in the UK and many other bodies are all against the commoditisation and big corporate influence that is turning football into a high cost lifestyle entertainment "activity" and ultimately ruining the beautiful game.
Eventus Junkius Hibernus isn't unique but as a nation we seem to have a particular problem with committing to being a "supporter" and a gra for the big day out. Its evident in many other sports. 15 years ago an interpro rugby match would've got 1,000 fans, yet if you listen to many Munster fans they were born in a red shirt......at the same time 15 years ago 5,000 people were watching Irish superleague basketball games.....now its a man and his dog, the average GAA fan hibernates for most of the year and appears for a big day out in the summer.
We're sliding inexorably towards interacting with football in the way we interact with a film, or a computer game, or any other "entertainment option" and that certainly ain't my bag. Its like the anti-Bill Shankly.
You're right that the patriotic bit is secondary, but ultimately shopping for a football team ain't any better.
Last night is a prime example of why football is dying for many fans. If all that bothers you, you're probably in the wrong forum.
Websites don't have feelings, or opinions. People do. And there are more GAA fans on this site than people who hate the gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
And for most it's the double standards of the media, and the GAA itself more than the actual games, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
another aspect was the gap in physical strength in the two teams. united players were way stronger than us. surely this is something we should work on.
Are there really? I'm on the wrong forum, so. I thought this was a safe refuge from the ugliness and brutishness of all things GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Better get out of here...
im a GAA fan..its fine to be both u know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
YOu can be both, or you can see the games for the mediocrity they are adn the GAA for the slimeballs they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
Thats the point, its your choice.
Great post ORA, sums it up pretty well. I dont "hate" the barstool morons (Jesus H, D 4 was full of them yesterday) but do hate the frustration that football here is decaying while so called football fans spend their hard earned cash on replica man u/ Liverpool /celtic etc merchandise. if a fraction of that money was spent on LOI products (or God forbid even going to a game) our League will be in such a better state.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Yes, it freedom of choice and yes, I have no right to "judge" anyone but I can promise I will shame any halfwit I meet over the weekend that tells me he cheered on man ure against a team representing Irish football ;)
Give me shams/bohs Sunday anytime - real clubs, real fans, real football.