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How cunning of the architects.
How many away games would we have trouble? Montenegro was the only away game in this campaign that we nearly filled our allocation. There was loads of room in Bari, there were no home fans in Cyprus and we didn't sell our allocation for Bulgaria or Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie
The residents in Havelock Square are geniuses. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Maybe not this campaign Schumi but draw say a Swedan, Germany and a Macedonia and we could well struggle with 5 % allocation through a combination of small grounds and the glamourous fixtureQuote:
Originally Posted by Schumi;
basle 2003 and holland wc 1990 was the only time i watched Ireland play away in a full stadiumQuote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
All games in Japan 02 were soldout although there were tickets outside in Niigata and Ibaraki. All the group games were soldout for USA94 albeit tickets outside all 3. Wembley 91 was totally soldout and tickets were a big problem. Denmark 92 was a problem in advance but not on the night - still full though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
5% will be a big problem if we get Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, Holland, Turkey or Germany. If we get a key away game at the end aka Basle 03 it will be a huge problem.
Was Holland at Anfield in '95 not sold out too?Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
If we can get 35000 into Stade de France, we can get 10% of that into most of the others, if needed....Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
there were empty seats at all Irelands matches at WC 2002. no Irish fan went without a ticket was the essence of my point. i wasnt at wc 1994 but i heard that again no Irish fan went without a ticketQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
id say its likely that the FAI will do a deal with other nations such as that done between holland and scotland in this campaign when they allocated more than the stipulated % to each other for the away matches
I now what your saying JB but how can the FAI in theory do a deal when all the home seats at LR are BB's /Vantage club (although the Vantage club will be flexible given its uptake.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
There arent that many countries that travel in great numbers.
Stade de France was an exception as we could get tickets through the french equivalent of Ticketmaster. Same with Stuttgart 06 for a while before they stopped delivering to non german adresses. But at the time there were lots looking for tickets although the majority appear to get sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
My main concern would be the scandanavian countries with relatively small grounds which are well attended by home fans
they may not sell the north stand to bbs thus leaving maybe 5,000 available for away fans should they need to do a dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
Cant say im a huge fan of the havelock square end, maybe when its done ill like it. The rest of the stadium looks class though, more much tidy and compact than Croker from our perspective. Atmosphere should be unreal, cant wait to go back.
Re 1994,Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
On the day yes but loads didn't travel for the Italy game as there was nothing moving. 2 mates at ten qualifiers missed it. I was at all 12 qualifiers and only got a ticket by chance. Many watched Italy at home and want straight to Orlando then for Mexico. Tickets weren't easy for those either but were available on the day.
Re 2002 there were loads locked out of the Saudi game. There were no tickets outside even at inflated prices as we were trying for a couple of people and they never got in.
The Olympics are an extreme example here as friends have gone to events with thousands locked out and almost empty stadiums inside. Even 15 minutes after kickoff they were pleading to get in but no joy.
Some countries won't need to do a deal as they won't have the away fans. Loads of Scotland fans locked out in Macedonia. France and Germany will hardly make the same mistake again. Scotland had ticket problems in Paris in 07 albeit in the smaller stadium. If Germany hadn't put our game on sale during the WC and posted to Ireland there would have been big problems for that too.
5% is way too little and will cause problems
FIFA and UEFA also have strict guidelines re segregation. Obviously FIFA rules don't apply to France (see seeding discussion) but smaller countries would be punished if there were large quantities of away fans in the home end. .
there was 65,000 at that game and the stadium holds over 70,000. lots of empty seats at the opposite end i was at. tickets were available at the ticket ctre in tokyo, i know cause we had to replace missing ticketsQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
There are often empty seats at WC matches because of sponsor tickets etc. There were loads locked out of the Saudi game in Yokohama. There may have been tickets in Tokyo but loads of people incl me didn't know about them. We had huge trouble getting in to Mexico v Ecuador in Myagi and there were loads of empty seats at that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Likewise many fans won't travel without a ticket particularly given the economy these days.
If we get to South Africa there won't be enough tickets from the FAI and FIFA for everyone that wants one. There will be loads out there I'm sure but some won't go on that basis.
Having different limits between FIFA and UEFA is a real pain when trying to configure a stadium too.
seems to be coming on great
http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocat...?PCID=34&NCID=
I know this has been mentioned before, probably wont affect us but for the rugby it does look at if the view will be someway obstructed when the ball goes up in the air if you are in the upper tier.
it was mentioned here a few times alright Elroy, the rumour is that the IRFU and FAI are forcing the architects to buy 10 year tickets for those seats
It looked pretty good from Ballsbridge as I stumbled along the last few miles of the Dublin Marathon on Monday. I was almost hallucinating at that stage though.
Still looks like the dart crossing is in the way, they really should have moved it underground. Anyone know if the crossing is going to stay in place? Its a disaster having to wait for the trains to pass.
Judging from the 5th ground shot picture posted by Joe_Barry80, it doesn't look like the view from those seats will be obstructed - but it does look tight for those seats in the corner where the roof drops down.
The new stadium looks amazing none the less.
It's good but it's no as good as this :D
http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/g...7_Oct_09_d.jpg
i think the dart line is now by passed by way of stairs up to a podium that in turn gives access to most of the stadiumQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeside Swagger
The big stairs are only for premium level seats!! However, i think there are going to be other ways in and out off shelbourne road and lansdowne lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
the dart gates are staying closed on match days for the entire period. Also, they are constructing underground holding pods which each hold a dart load of people, so as a dart comes in, fills uo with those on the platform, the pod is emptied onto the platofrm and then refilled again from the outside. all very clever.
Is it wrong that I preferred the old Landsdowne?
RonnieB you aint a hardcore fan then!
mmm, just been viewing the latest pics, and following the recent debate on seats with possible obstucted views, have no noticed no new pics taken from seated fan point of view
:rolleyes:
still looking preety impressive though
Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_barry80
Wow it looks brillant. I just hope it's a very intimidating ground to opponents. The key to that would be to design it so the fans are right on top of the players and there is good accoustics that amplifies the noise of the home fans.
From the look of the Italy match towards the end, the atmosphere was electric with fans jumping up and down. Wouldn't it be great to see that for 90 minutes of every Irish game! Instead of people sitting back in their seats and being passive.
But I hope the new stadium is a fortress for Ireland.
Your query to the Lansdowne Road Stadium Development Company in relation to the stadium has been passed on to me. I have been conscious of these rumours over the past few weeks. It is a rumour and normally we wouldn't speculate on rumours but as this is reasonably easy to dispel here are the facts.
The capacity has always been 50,000 and we are happy to confirm that there will be 50,000 seats with unrestricted views of the pitch.
In addition there are a limited number of seats which could potentially have restricted views of the ground. We have, however, known about these from the outset. This is quite common in stadia. At this moment in time we are not certain whether we will even put seats into these locations. A final decision will be taken when the seats are actually being installed.
Further to that at the northern end of the ground as you will be aware there is only one tier. This is to ensure that there is no overshadowing of houses at that end of the ground.
The roof there does come down quite steeply and there is a pocket on each side where there could be restricted views. No decision whatsoever has however been taken on whether to put seats into those areas or not.
The one thing I would emphasise is that I can confirm that there will definitely be the 50,000 seats all with unrestricted and superb views of the pitch.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes.
Roddy Guiney
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Nothing to say the aerial view won't be restricted.
It really was a dump, but it was our dump!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by RonnieB
I think the old Lansdowne had a generic / traditional look - certainly the terracing could have been from any era. Dull, dreary but ageless. The new stadium is distinctly "designed", which means there's a chance that the design could date really horribly. The true test of the stadium will be in, say, 30 odd years; will the glass-bubble look still be modern and attractive?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieB
I know exactly what you mean. The Olympic Stadium in Munich must have looked positively space-aged when it opened in 1972. When you see it now it just looks very "seventies".Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
As you say, Lansdowne Road was timeless in comparison as it was a mish-mash of new and old stands (I still remember standing on the terrace under the old East Stand for the Spain game in 1982 before they knocked it down). I do think that it had outlived itself though - with the regulations on terracing we did need a new stadium and I haven't warmed to Croke Park over the last few years.
They are building a new Giants Stadium here in New York at the moment (less than 35 years after the original opened) and they are projecting a 30-year lifespan for the new stadium. I think we tend to look after things better in Ireland (less of a disposable society) so I reckon we can make the new Lansdowne last at least 100 years with the odd bit of window cleaning.
I always liked that stadium. The sight of the glass roof from the big tower in the Olympic park is brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Poor stadium to watch a game in though. Long way from the action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
I much prefer to new Allianz arena in Munich. Dortmund and Gelsenkirchen have great stadia too.
I can imagine. I haven't been in it, only saw it on holiday in Munich.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Latest pics now up on lrsdc, seats going in on East Stand......they're green :D
wow, its looking well now
Is 50,000 the absolute max they could have gotten?
The aerial view with landsdowne & Croker on the other side is great
http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/singlecategory.asp?PCID=125 (1st Pic )
[QUOTE=fionnsci;1261109]Your query to the Lansdowne Road Stadium Development Company in relation to the stadium has been passed on to me. I have been conscious of these rumours over the past few weeks. It is a rumour and normally we wouldn't speculate on rumours but as this is reasonably easy to dispel here are the facts.
The capacity has always been 50,000 and we are happy to confirm that there will be 50,000 seats with unrestricted views of the pitch.
In addition there are a limited number of seats which could potentially have restricted views of the ground. We have, however, known about these from the outset. This is quite common in stadia. At this moment in time we are not certain whether we will even put seats into these locations. A final decision will be taken when the seats are actually being installed.
Further to that at the northern end of the ground as you will be aware there is only one tier. This is to ensure that there is no overshadowing of houses at that end of the ground.
The roof there does come down quite steeply and there is a pocket on each side where there could be restricted views. No decision whatsoever has however been taken on whether to put seats into those areas or not.
The one thing I would emphasise is that I can confirm that there will definitely be the 50,000 seats all with unrestricted and superb views of the pitch.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes.
Roddy Guiney
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Apparenty the "capacity has always been 50,000".
That is of subject to clarification that
"At this moment in time we are not certain whether we will even put seats into these locations. A final decision will be taken when the seats are actually being installed."
Therefore cpacity will be less than 50,000.
Why wait until final seats are being installed? Bring out a fewbog standard office chair and still them in position. View or no view?
Bigger concern, though not for this forum, relates to rugby.
If there are seats which are unsuitable for football (where ball aside from keeper) tends not to be in play at height as often as rugby, it sounds ike their could be alot of rugby fans seeing the ball go up and then wondering where it will drop back into view.