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Sunday Times reporting today that the IFA won't even consider it, and while the FAI were open to discussions initially that the members opposed to it couple with the IFA's stance means that they have to respect the wishes of those who don't want an AIPL. That's that dead in the water then
That's great news!!
Regardless of the FAI/IFA stance this proposal will rumble on for ages to come. As long as domestic soccer continues to struggle, alternatives will be in the mix.
Wouldn't matter if Bill Gates came on board to finance Platinum One if the FAI and the IFA don't back it. Uefa won't even consider this league if our associations won't recognise itQuote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Agreed. But it won't just disappear from view and just because FAI/IFA don't back it now doesn't mean they won't u-turn on it. I just don't imagine that such a proposal will die as easily as you say. I could see it hibernate for a few years at a time until it re-emerges in a more palatable form...either that or until the associations recognise that desperate times, for their respective leagues, require desperate measures.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I'd love to see the FAI and IFA come together and form an All-Ireland league with two divisions. Platinium One should even be asked to get involve in some form. But at the same time it has to be made clear the well being of the game in this country extends beyond 8 to 10 clubs and that the control of the game will not be handed over to an otherside body.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
That's just not on.
The amount of naivety around negotiation skills and the way business works on this thread is hilarious.
IIRC the English Premiership wasn't initially supported by the English FA.
Don't underplay the strength of Plantinums hand in having a lot of the clubs supporting them.
It may not happen to Platinums timeline or reflect fully their design, but they have successfully planted the idea and combined with the current financial difficulties they have probably succeeded in provoking an acceptance that some kind of major change is required.
All that needs to be worked out is the detail. That might take years, but the main thing is that there has and continues to be movement in the right direction.
Not sure about that, but the point is that it did go forward under the auspices of the FA. It was a breakaway from the Football League, not from the actual National Association. That would be a massive difference with the P1 proposals.
Actually thinking about it, not sure who's showing the naivety - afterall the clubs were much more powerful until they gave up power the FAI. Looks like a very short sighted move by those clubs now wanting to break away again.
My memory was that the EPL strong-armed the FA by threatening a withdrawal of the supporting clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Bear in mind that its generally assumed that large chunks of UEFA's rulebook is ripe for challenge in the European courts.
They did, and it's to the FA's shame that they let them do so. If the FA had stood firm and said that they breakaway if they want, but they wouldn't get any of the European places and their players wouldn't be allowed represent their international teams (FUFA would have backed this) than how long do you think the threat would have lasted?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
People keep saying that and yet no-one actually challenges these laws, wonder whyQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I am sure where the naivety is. Its coming P1 side. The document they produced isn't even a basis for serious debate. We've heard all this 10-team lark with no P and R from Roddy during his Derry City days. It appears to me that nobody took him seriously then, and I don't think many people will, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
In my opinion these guys are wasting their time.
Anybody that thinks that UEFA will give a new league, 2 champion league spots and 2 UEFA Cup spots is sadly delusional.
Interesting aside in the Independent today about yesterday's game between Cobh and Sunderland. Only 3000 went along, prompting McDonnell to note that perhaps the novelty had worn off seeing Sunderland play. If that's the case (and I'm sure there were numerous other reasons why the crowd was that low), there's no way an AIPL would sustain the interest in this country long enough to have even one season with ten fully-pro teams, let alone to keep it going. Nothing in the Platinum One proposals have addressed this (bar that catch all, "marketing"...)
I don't think anyone coulld seriously equate league football to friendlies. Completely nonsensical point stu, not unlike many of Drury's assertionsQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The reason it was low was because it was €30 adults and €30 kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Mr Drury would need to get a move on :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
The FAI are doing a good job of running the politics behind the league.
However, its clear to me (and anyone else with half a brain) that the FAI are a marketing nightmare of the league. The media absolutely despise the FAI, rightly or wrongly, and there is no way they should in charge of marketing the league.
The idea of Platinum One taking over the league's marketing shines a ray a light on the whole thing. I think that an all Ireland league would be bad for Finn Harps but we may be relegated anyway so it doesn't really matter. And over time I think we can get promotion into such a league if we are good enough. The same goes for any team.
On the subject of marketing the only decent thing that the FAI have done is the Live TV coverage and MNS programme. The written media coverage is still a disaster, the add they put on TV is rediculously poor and every journalist in the country seems to have it in for them.
I for one think that its time to give the marketing of the league over to someone else.
Platinum One have the right connections to "make it happen" for the league with the Irish media including all the press, Setanta Sports and RTE.
Its time for clubs to support the Platinum One bid to run the league. It badly needs it whether we like it or not. They are the right people for the job!!!
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With all due respect, the way you're talking about Harps getting promoted into the league suggests to me that you need to go back and read the P1 proposal again. There will be no P&R for three seasons and then after that promotion will be by invitation to club's meeting P1's "strict criteria"
The proposal as published doesn't suggest to me that they are the right people. It suggests to me that they haven't a clue what they're on about and the last people in the world we should be looking to.
Their clients include Barcelona, Manchester United, Setanta and Sky Sports so Im not sure how you came to that conclusion. :rolleyes: They are right too about not letting in clubs without the proper support and stadia in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
You are not paying attention. P1 are mega by any standards and the fact they see a big future for domestic soccer on this island is not to be scoffed at. I also suspect this is the real reason for the shocking and hysterical anti-domestic soccer articles by the bogball animals in the Irish meeja of late.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMorgan
A top soccer league in Ireland = bye bye GAA hegemony. Hence the recent psychotic convulsion by the sports media in this country concerning anything which can put domestic soccer in a bad light.
If you think P1 haven't a clue, then you need to do some research. They are bigger than Niall Quinn's wildest Oirish soccer pimping potential could ever be.
On the contrary I think the "highlight everything negative we can about" domestic football campaign in the media has been cleverly orchestrated by Platinum 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good