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Nobody mentioned any player staying out of IFA squads. McGinn tells the IFA of his ambitions, and tells the FAI too, so they can select him. The IFA can then choose or omit him as they see fit, but either way, can't complain about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Osa, the mayor of Hachioji is Ishimori Takayuki?
I'm sure the IFA are perfectly aware of the players in its ranks that wish to be elsewhere but select these players regardless as (a) they make their respective team selections stronger and (b) they can work on convincing these players to stay put.
Yes. Actually he went to the same university I work at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Indeed, that is exactly how the IFA operate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
I would encourage those players who "wish to be elsewhere", to go elsewhere...at the earliest opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
For example, if they want to play for the FAI, then it might be an idea for them to make the FAI aware of their desire at, say, Under 19 level.
The IFA cannot complain about players going elsewhere, when the IFA allow themselves to be treated like a stepping stone to a Senior International career with another Association.
As I have said previously, when the IFA start to focus primarily on players who want to have a Senior International career with the IFA, they might not have to gurn about defections as much in future.
What is the craic with Ryan McLaughlin? Is he likely to declare for us? He sounds an amazing talent from what I've heard.
Fair enough NB, but as we've discussed many times before, there ain't ever going to be any time or age limits, rightly IMO.
And the door(s) will remain firmly open. In 'all' directions...
Which benefits teams with smaller pools generally.
More a case of helping a young player decide which door he wants to through AB, before selecting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Big, grown up, conversations with footballers (and their parents, possibly?) when they are in the frame for selection at Under 19 Level isn't against any rules, nor is it creating any new ones.
Provided they walk through the door leading with their right foot... or correct foot? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Seriously though I don't think there would be any harm in that but I think you have to tread carefully as it would appear that the IFA are "weeding" people out if done wrongly or insensitively. I wouldn't put it past them to make a hames of it. I think the current situation is fine and would be better if the constant bleating from the IFA, OWC and MON was put to bed.
Not if they do it properly, like weed out the young players who won't commit and take an oath of loyalty, the IFA covenant.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
What could possibly go wrong?
No "oaths" or "covenants" required.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Just an honest answer to a straight question.
In fact, the more I think about it, the IFA should stop bleating about something they could control a hell of a lot better.
If they allow themselves to be used as a stepping stone, no point in them gurning when a player uses the stepping stone.
Need to buck up their ideas on their selection policy.
The force is strong in this one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Yes but while that might save them the anguish of losing players from the set-up, it would probably also push away some players who would otherwise stick with the IFA down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Not fussed about players who "would otherwise stick" CD...if a player wants, in his heart, to represent the FAI, he should give it a go, early doors...and have that wish facilitated by the IFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Sure, if it don't work out with the FAI, the player could consider switching to the IFA - at least, in his heart, he would know he chased his dream with the FAI.
Your pragmatism is shamefully underepresented in your OWC brethern. And I use brethern loosely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Every action the IFA makes suggest they don't think that's the right approach. They want to bring everybody into the IFA and hope they don't want to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
You are, of course, right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
They try to bring everybody in, then bleat when some later switch.
In my opinion, they would be better served by only bringing in those who want to have a Senior International career with the IFA.
Football forAllthe Selected.
Have you forwarded your suggestions to the IFA, NB? And, if so, with what sort of response have they been met?
But if these players are coming in to the IFA setup while covertly harbouring ambitions of playing for Ireland, why do you think they'd admit their ambitions if the IFA asked, knowing they'd be cast out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
And if they pledged their allegiance to NI, what sort of reaction would these youngsters receive from NI fans if later they decided to commit to us? Let's be honest, many NI fans are not renowned for their forgiving and understanding nature!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
That's my job!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I always suspected you were Gerry Armstrong in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I scored against Spain you know.
If they harbour ambitions of playing for the South, why can't they just be honest about that, and go play for the South...thus allowing players who want to play for Northern Ireland the opportunity to do so? They can always switch if things don't work out with the FAI...so they wouldn't neccessarily be "cast out".Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I once scored with a Spanish student. Still couldn't understand a word she was trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Why don't they just be honest about it now? What would change if the IFA started asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The IFA operate a "let's see what sticks" policy Danny...for me, that negates their right to bleat when some don't stick.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Whilst some in the IFA know my thoughts on the issue, I am no longer in touch with the IFA in any "official" capacity....I offer nothing more than just an opinion on a Discussion Board about the matter....I'm not even up to speed on what the AONISC think on the whole issue.
You must remember that when I once did meet officially with the IFA, as part of an AONISC group (pre Kearns), they looked at me as if I had two heads when I suggested that battling on the grounds that FIFA should uphold their Rules, was not the cleverist stragegy in the World. :-D
An excellent question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's not a question of honesty or dishonesty. It's players making decisions as per FIFA rules. The roles were not made to accommodate NI fans, a fact you need to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
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A question of integrity then?Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Why would you want to represent an Association, when you harbour dreams of playing for another Association, if/when the opportunity arises?
You're veering into the rhetorical now, but it's a serious question: what would change between the current scenario (A) and your idealised scenario (B)? Why would the player be more inclined to change their approach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Are you being serious Bud?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
What would change is that the IFA would be focused on players who desire to represent them at Senior International level, rather than those who don't!
I think you're misunderstanding me. What would change for the players? Would any fewer players play for the IFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
It's just when NB says the word 'dreams' that I suspect most take him less seriously...
:rolleyes:
You were supposed to take the mouth gag out after yous were done!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
That's unfortunate as I think they could learn a lot from you in terms of what approach to take. Your general approach to this issue is certainly more progressive than any other I've encountered on that side of the fence. I'm surprised osarusan hasn't pulled you up yet! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
However, it is easy to characterise over-simplistically and to talk in categorical black-and-white terms about those harbouring ambitions of playing for the FAI. What about those who just don't know at that age what they'd rather do, or those who would entertain both associations equally or even those who are quite happy to play for the IFA to test the water but who might later decide, for whatever reason, that it wasn't how they thought it'd be and that they'd rather give playing with the FAI a go? They may not even have had any original ambition to play for the FAI. Whilst the rules may be, players' circumstances and mindsets are not static and can change.
Now now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The problem with NB's approach, in my opinion, is that it's effectively toothless. There's nothing to stop a player saying the haven't made up their mind, or even professing full commitment to the IFA, and switching later.
We already know all of this...just a re-hash of all the old 'arguments'
:rolleyes:
Eloquent that Danny is on this subject, even they can't bring much new to the table at this stage.