Everton and Liverpool discussion

As a die-hard Liverpool fan, i couldn't help but feel after watching the match last night that we still look far off the pace from competing with the big guns,

If you watched Arsenal on Tuesday night with there second string team out, they look really talented and have pace and skill and would probably beat most first teams in the Premier League. I am still not convinced from the likes of Voronin, Sissoko, Babel, and there are more, I was just left feeling sickened in the stomach as anyone else who supports the 'Pool' after last night. Even the bench didn't look strong enough. Charles Itjandze(spelt that wrong looks alright although i think his jersey was a bit big for him if you watch it back.:)

It doesnt matter how good Arsenal's second (or third) string is like. They can only put XI players on the pitch at any time. How long will those 'second string' players hang around playing in the reserves. Some of them are NOT babies. And some of them cost alot on money. Arsenal's academy has produced some fine players but people are getting a little carried away with the hype. They havent won anything yet and havent for the last three seasons. Only time will tell.

What Wenger does is produce and mould great footballers with great technical skills. People forget that Arsenal actually pay big bucks at times for the raw talent in the first place. Denilson cost approx £4.5m and there are others too but I can't actually be bothered to look them up the monment while I'm supping my can of beer at work :) Their academy is full of young players that actually cost a fair bit of money.

Other clubs are now doing the same to be fair although I'm not sure if they are on the same scale yet.

Was listening to 5live coverage of Everton/Man U match today and commentators were talking about Rooneys banter with Everton fans.Aparantly he was looking up at them clapping after United goals and final whistle.They said last week against Liverpool there was a side show all match with young Wayne constantly kissing the badge and stuff winding up the Pool fans.All fair enough I suppose but I am suprised hes ok with being disliked by both sets of fans in a football mad city that he must still have roots in.Anybody know the crack?Is he a hate figure in Liverpool?

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Originally Posted by cheifo

Was listening to 5live coverage of Everton/Man U match today and commentators were talking about Rooneys banter with Everton fans.Aparantly he was looking up at them clapping after United goals and final whistle.They said last week against Liverpool there was a side show all match with young Wayne constantly kissing the badge and stuff winding up the Pool fans.All fair enough I suppose but I am suprised hes ok with being disliked by both sets of fans in a football mad city that he must still have roots in.Anybody know the crack?Is he a hate figure in Liverpool?

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Rooney plays for a team that has 70,000 supporters singing "Feed the Scousers", I wonder does he ever stop and think about who he is playing for. He gets an awful lot of stick from everton fans so I suppose he is right to give it back to them but he really brought it all on himself. He is as thoroughly a dislikeable footballer as there is. The fact that he was almost completely marked out of the game by the fantastic Yobo makes him look all the more stupid.

One silly mistake cost Everton very dear. There can be no excuses for Pienaar's tackle, he could never win the ball doing that but it should be remembered that he was best attacking force on the day and has been excellent over the last two months. I still hope we sign him.

Our defence was superb and we really deserved a point. Lescott did really well, Jagielka was superb and is showing signs that he could develop into a really good centre half and was probably our man of the match. Howard was as commanding as always and Yobo was just as good as we've come to expect now. What a centre half he has turned into.

Apart from Ronaldo, I wasn't very impressed with Utd. Three times they've beaten us in 2007 but in each game, we've more than matched them for long periods but somehow contrived to hand them a win each time.

It was also worrying how a couple of injuries in midfield meant we had to reshuffle our team so much. This has to be addressed in Jan with at least 2 midfielders coming in.

Still, 2 home games to come, 6 points and yesterday will be a distant memory.

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Originally Posted by cheifo

Was listening to 5live coverage of Everton/Man U match today and commentators were talking about Rooneys banter with Everton fans.Aparantly he was looking up at them clapping after United goals and final whistle.They said last week against Liverpool there was a side show all match with young Wayne constantly kissing the badge and stuff winding up the Pool fans.All fair enough I suppose but I am suprised hes ok with being disliked by both sets of fans in a football mad city that he must still have roots in.Anybody know the crack?Is he a hate figure in Liverpool?

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Pretty much, even the fans that didnt hold it against him leaving for utd to try and win things turned after seeing him running to goad the everton fans after utd scoring against them kissing the badge etc .players that leave a club should show respect for them ( cahil wouldnt even celebrate after scoring v millwall and beattie v southampton etc ) they should show even more respect if they owe everything they have to the club .Everton took rooney in and trained him up they gave up 10 years to developing him and he seems to have nothing but contempt for them. But the fans should also respect that its his job he has every right to play for who he likes and that he did give everton a massive boost with the money from his transfer.

What do ye make of manny coming back on loan , if we are going to buy him then in the summer id be all on for it but i dont think we should take him if we are going to be used to give him first team football .

Gosling looks like he could be a good purchase

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Originally Posted by anto1208

What do ye make of manny coming back on loan , if we are going to buy him then in the summer id be all on for it but i dont think we should take him if we are going to be used to give him first team football .

Gosling looks like he could be a good purchase

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Fernandes was an excellent player for us last year and would do well in the current midfield with Arteta and Pienaar. Like you, I would be wary of taking him on loan again but I'm sure Moyes would be well aware of any problems.

We have to get somebody in to cover the midfield area, it would be a pity to see such great work earlier in the season go to waste now.

Have to get Pienaar signed up as well, his mistake at Old Trafford apart, he has been brilliant for us and will be badly missed when he is away with South Africa.

This is a strange one moyes says he knows nothing about him coming back his agent says he is at everton having a medical , Ian ross says they are talking to Valencia about getting him on loan and Valencia chairman says they are looking to get rid after his arrest at the weekend. :confused:

He will do a good job for us but id prefere to be getting in someone that will become pernament.

Going to be very hard tonight midfield is the biggest problem without Artetta Osman and Pienaar all creativity has been removed. In fact its going to be very hard to even find 4 fit midfielders.Cahill is carrying a knock Tommy grav proved on sat that he is rubbish and should go back to scotland Neville is a liability in there VDM hasnt played in years and is "injured". Think we will have to go with 2 up front and try to by pass midfield as much as possible.

should line up something like this

Howard
Hibbert Yobo Jags Lescott
Faddy Carsley Cahill Baines
AJ Yak

Fingers crossed we can get out of there with our chances still intact.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

Going to be very hard tonight midfield is the biggest problem without Artetta Osman and Pienaar all creativity has been removed. In fact its going to be very hard to even find 4 fit midfielders.Cahill is carrying a knock Tommy grav proved on sat that he is rubbish and should go back to scotland Neville is a liability in there VDM hasnt played in years and is "injured". Think we will have to go with 2 up front and try to by pass midfield as much as possible.

should line up something like this

Howard
Hibbert Yobo Jags Lescott
Faddy Carsley Cahill Baines
AJ Yak

Fingers crossed we can get out of there with our chances still intact.

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I think Phil Neville will definitely play. I'd agree with your team except with Neville in for either Faddy or Baines. Normally I hate seeing Neville in midfield but tonight is just about making sure we are still in the tie by the time the second leg comes around and he can do a "spoiling" job in there.

I'd love to have even one of arteta or pienaar available but Chelseaare missing a lot of players too. Our midfield will be weak and keeping possession is going to be a major problem but with people like cahill, aj and the yak we have plenty of possibilites to score.

We're so close to wembley now, I really hope that we produce a big performance tonight and set ourselves up for what would be an unbelieveable atmosphere at Goodison in the 2nd leg.

Aaaahhhhhhhhh balls 2nd best untill the red card then everton where worth there goal should have nicked a 2nd from faddy but what a stupid goal where was howard normally so good at controlling the box and lescott what was that.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

Aaaahhhhhhhhh balls 2nd best untill the red card then everton where worth there goal should have nicked a 2nd from faddy but what a stupid goal where was howard normally so good at controlling the box and lescott what was that.

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Very very tough defeat to take but the tie is far from over. I would have settled for that scoreline before the game although obviously in the circumstances, it really was a chance missed. The main thing that we still have a chance no matter how small. I honestly think the noise in Goodison will be out of this world, us poor Everton fans haven't much to shout about in recent years and I reckon the roof will be lifted off the place that night. I'm just raging that I can't make it because of work commitments.

On much better news, the official Valencia website is reporting that Fernandes has signed on loan until the end of the season with an option to buy. He really is a superb addition to our squad. I couldn't have dreamt that we could have a midfield with him, arteta, pienaar and cahill in it a couple of years ago. The race for 4th place is very much on now!!

I'm a lot happier with the loan deal with the option to buy bit, while we need him now i was a bit put out to be giving some other teams player first team football but this seems good he took the long way round but finally manny is back at goodison (fingers crossed).

Will he be ready for the visit of city on sat prob our biggest game in the race for 4th if we win that we have a good shot if we loose it will prob stay out of our reach for the season.

Liverpool to get 10 million for Sissoko from Juve. Reds must be laughing all the way to the bank.

...and £10 million for Carson too by the looks of things. Both good players in their own right but not good enough IMO to become great players so to get £20m is good business by the club.

Sissoko for all his good work breaking up play cannot pass a ball to save himself. Carson is never going to oust Reina although he is almost as consistent as him.

agree great bit of business for sissoko..just need to tie up the masharano deal :D

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Liverpool to get 10 million for Sissoko from Juve. Reds must be laughing all the way to the bank.

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€10 million, right? ...because if it's £ sterling that's ridiculous!!

...also Villa would be crazy to pay £10 million for Carson! Liverpool got him for £1 million and he never established himself there. He's a good keeper but shouldn't be more than £5 million.

Massive win at the weekend now level on points with liverpool in fourth.Manny signs in & should start to feature from next week on, will add even more class to the midfield with all players available it has to be one of the strongest midfields in the league now.

What do liverpool fans think of all the nonsense going on at the club at the moment the stadium fiasco where they cant fund it and are thinking of reducing the size now to make it more affordable and remortgage the club UTD style to pay for it putting the club in hundreds of millions of pounds worth of debt.

All the sillyness with Rafa and Klinsman, Being out of the tittle race ( allthough i felt ye where out of that in July :p).

I know im glad Everton didnt sell out now and this Tesco deal is looking sweeter by the day . Allthough the cost of that ground is going up as well.