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Originally Posted by osarusan
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Except that's not what Stu' said...Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
It's not what he is asking for though. It could really be any player that was in an underage NI squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
It's actually quite outrageous.Quote:
If they want to take a player who has come through the IFA ranks, they should have to pay a compensation fee of somewhere between, say, half a million and a million pounds a player.
Daniel Kearns must be worth at least half a million. I mean, Peterborough only paid a fraction of that to Dundalk, but sure who needs logic?
I think you have missed the point. Stu is referring to players who are English born and whose football development occured in England. The point he is making is that shouldn't the IFA offer compensation to the FA for these players' development.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I know it's not what he said, but he's talking sh!te. I'm talking about your point re FA development of players who end up with NI. If your point is purely to point out that he's talking sh!te, then we're in agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I think you're missing my point,which is that, in my opinion, there is a difference between players leaving the English setup for NI after coming to the conclusion that they're never going to play for England, and players leaving the NI setup for ROI, despite still being part of the IFA plans at/for senior level.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Pont taken. It's a hard one to answer!Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
So what?
You could say the same about loads of countries...
It ain't going to happen.
Or if it did, another nail in the coffin of smaller teams.
In your opinion, what are or should be the repercussions of this supposed distinction?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
None.
So a total red, or is it 'green', herring then...
I'll be interested to see why Rory Donnelly has pulled the plug on his NI career. It now looks somewhat clear the he wasn't pulling out of squads or being picked behind inferior players due to injury, rather due to a lack of desire to play for NI, surely?
I hope the same applies to Ryan McLaughlin who would be a brilliant recruit, and along with Coleman, would ensure we have great depth at right back for many years to come!Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Am I correct in saying that the announcement in relation to McAlinden is the first of it's type in quite a while, perhaps since James McClean and Eunan O'Kane made their debuts for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
And reading the stuff regarding McAlinden, it can hardly come as a surprise that he's switched his allegiances. If most of his family are from Ireland, then was never much of an affinity he could have had with the North. In fact, only one grandparent was Northern Irish and who knows to what extent they were indeed Irish or Northern Irish?
Does it affect your moral judgment of the players concerned, or of the benefiting association? Should the association that stands to benefit from a switching dual national player preserve some level of consideration for an association that might have future plans for that player, even when the decision of whether or not to continue playing for the original association is entirely at the discretion of that player? Should it reflect badly on a player when he shuns an association who want his services?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Afaiu the point Osarusan made, it began and ended with pointing out that there is a difference between a player leaving one association who still want him and an unwanted player declaring for another association.
Also worth noting that despite the IFA loss of McAlinden & Jones, the IFA u21 manager still managed to play seven English born u21 players in their defeat to Cyprus last week, with another couple on the bench. Four of those seven had never represented the IFA previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The IFA seem to be spending as much of their resources on scouring England for players as they do on under-age development, which is fine, I just wish they’d stop with the ‘using our resources’ nonsense.
Has Rory Donnelly ever played for an IFA team? Once? Twice? Certainly little if any IFA money invested in him over the years.
He's never represented Northern Ireland at any level. Not that that will stop people bleating if it turns out the Republic of Ireland is his country and demanding compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
Regarding the player, possibly, if they've been concealing their intentions from the IFA. Not the benefiting association.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
No, as long as he hasn't been stringing them along.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The IFA are not 15 year old girls. That is a preposterous statment.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Really? I can't think of a better description.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Stringing them along, misleading them, concealing intentions from them, whatever. Spare me your mock outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Do you acknowledge that the player may not be the sole beneficiary of the relationship so long as there is one?Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
What happened to Are We A Country Danny?
Still going.
https://twitter.com/AreWeACountry
And the IFA know the score, FFS.
Irrelevant to my point that James McClean going from NI to ROI and Alex Bruce going from ROI to NI are not the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
We've been over this before Danny, yeah? We're not going to agree.
Except nobody but you and a few bitter Nordies cares.
Anyway, in those cases there was probably a mutual feeling of "Good riddance".
McClean hadn't represented Northern Ireland in two years when he made the decision to declare for ROI. Regardless of whether the IFA wanted him at the time of switching, he wasn't a current international and hadn't been for some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
To be fair, I can understand why the North are upset at losing players to us, especially when they have developed them for a number of years. However, I do think that it is hypocritical that they criticise us, when they happily took Alex Bruce. It works both ways and they need to realise that for every Alex Bruce they get, they may lose 3/4 players.
And all their players brought up through the Eng.& Scottish system.
Insular paranoia can be a tough force with which to reckon. Invariably, one is eventually weeded out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...pitchforks.jpg
McClean was wanted by the IFA at the time he declared for the FAI, usually the IFA pick from the scraps of the unwanted players, those born outside NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Therein lies a difference and is used as one cause of annoyance. Whether you put much credence on that cause, is another matter.
I knew what you meant. I still think it's a preposterous statement to make. Nothing "mock" about my outrage at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Why do you feel so aggrieved on the behalf of the IFA?
Maybe to stop feeling so jilted they should ask young kids their intentions as soon as they get involved in soccer within the "system". Maybe an additional question on the Summer Soccer Schools application form would help?
Or maybe talking to NISFA to see who've they have from the Bogside or the Falls on their books?
Or a scan of their surnames and concentrate on them as priority? Or what about checking the tendency to hug the right-hand touchline?
If anyone wishes to play for Ireland then they shouldn't be hindered in anyway. Apologies to the IFA so their feelings are not hurt is not a prerequisite for lining out for the FAI's teams.
Ha, feisty response from Bonnie there.
I thought he had played a competitive game for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
I could be earning a reputation with this and the BBC complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
As far as I know he kept withdrawing because of "injury" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
I am not aggrieved about it in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I've made two points. The first it that the IFA getting players from other associations and the IFA losing players to the FAI isn't always the same thing, and shouldn't be compared as though they are. The second is that if a player had made up their mind that they are going to represent ROI, but hides that from the IFA and continues to be involved in squads/development, I think that is unfair.
I made no reference to players being hindered, or apologies to the IFA, so I have no idea why you mention it. And of the ideas you suggest, the first has already been mentioned on this thread before. The others are just retarded.
According to the official IFA website he hasn't and he continues to be like Donnelly, not available when called up. Would love to see him join us, he will be a star! Was surprised he is only 5' 9', he looked taller when I have seen him play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
http://www.irishfa.com/international...an-mclaughlin/
How does one get medals next to their avatar?
One demonstrates an eloquence, application and relevance in their contributions which, thus far, seems to be absent in ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Hence my abundance of medals :)