Francis Turley, 18 midfielder. Long term contract at Celtic after an impressive pre season & off the bench today late on v St Mirren for his debut. This should be achievable & we should be on it.
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Francis Turley, 18 midfielder. Long term contract at Celtic after an impressive pre season & off the bench today late on v St Mirren for his debut. This should be achievable & we should be on it.
I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I would imagine Brendan Rodgers would have influence and that probably doesn't help.
On top of that, he's played in the 19s Euros for NI. He's probably well settled there.
I don't think the vast, vast majority these lads are keen to switch at all and few have, if you think about how many lads from Nationalist backgrounds or areas are in the NI squads.
Sykes' situation is quite unique given his background. I don't know enough about Sean Moore but I don't think he was well ingrained into the IFA system before his switch?
I could be well off here but are the Hale brothers and Stephen Mallon the only other young lads from Belfast/Antrim that have switched in the last 6/8/10 years? Daniel Kearns, Daniel Devine and a couple more came on the back of Marc Wilson's senior caps in the early 2010s. Other than that it's been Derry lads and the odd rumour of a flirt.
The other thing is that if he switches and plays for us at underage level there is no going back.
Realistically what are the odds that an 18 year old who has just got 5 minutes off the bench for Celtic against St Mirren when they're 3-0 up is going to end up being senior international quality for us? 1 in 10, 1 in 20? Celtic seem to produce maybe one to two genuinely international quality players from their youth teams per decade, the odds are that he won't be one of them. Whereas the north are short enough on full time professional players that they could probably cap him before the year is out.
I don't know anything about this lad, but unless he is rated as some kind of exceptional talent it's probably not in his longer term interest to rush into a switch at the first sign of interest from the FAI.
Went over from IL, Glentoran maybe, year & a bit ago. Got taken on pre season & a new improved four year deal came from that a few weeks ago. Now, he's made his debut. Now we often talk about Celtic & youth opportunities on here & this lad looks like he'll get a chance that Lawal / Connell didn't so that's interesting. What is also interesting is he's a midfielder & we could do with one or three of those. From the little I know, he's likely to be open to having the conversation at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
No he shouldn't probably use his one switch but neither should we let our northern brothers cap him in the next ten minutes, which they will look to do. Talk to him, he didn't grow up dreaming of playing at Windsor.
It could work the other way as well. Promising Irish players who are eligible to claim a UK passport to move over there before they turn 18Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Wasn't that how Ferguson ended up with Brighton - his mother is EnglishQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Yeah, he claimed a UK passport when he was 16 before he went overQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Francis speaking ahead of the Euro U-19 Finals, held in NI earlier in the summer:
https://www.facebook.com/northernire...12UEA5kSZrHXlW
This is the same lad who pulled out of the Euros squad on the eve of the competition even though he wasnt injured yeah ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Yep, same lad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joxerbrowne
"Francis Turley is a late withdrawal from Northern Ireland's UEFA U19 Championship squad .
The Belfast native has stayed with his club after being included in Brendan Rodgers first team squad for the Hoops pre-season trip to America. It marks an incredible few days for the teenager after he made a goal scoring debut for Celtic coming off the bench to score in their friendly win over Queen's Park last week.
Whilst NI U19 boss Gareth McAuley is disappointed to lose the services of the talented teen, he is delighted to see Turley get his opportunity to impress at club level. “It’s great for Fra to be part of the Celtic first team, however it’s disappointing for us as he was coming to the fore to be a key player for us," said McAuley.
"But it’s all about the development of the players and we wish Fra all the best, and we’ll see him further down the line.”
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/...-late-29543349
Hardly the most difficult of choices for the lad. :cool:
U19 Euros are outside of FIFA windows so even if he wanted to go it's up to his clubs. The year we qualified with our 2000 age group we had to bring our B team because clubs wouldn't release players.
That's the year Joe Hodge played and impressed with Afolabi getting into the team of the tournament.
Curious why Rodgers would not be a help? I think his son played underage for us and would have had a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
BR in 2011:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
"[My son playing for ROI] is not something that can't be rectified," said Rodgers. "I spoke with Gerry Armstrong recently as I'm a big advocate of Northern Ireland.
"I want to see Northern Ireland boys play for Northern Ireland and the reason my son is playing for the Republic is simple - they asked him while he was never asked to play for Northern Ireland."
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s.../28661623.html
While he's also said this:
"I would love to [manage Northern Ireland] at some point in my career"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/16094882
And as a youngster, he himself played under-age football for NI:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...r/s640/036.jpg
Brendan (incidentally Nigel Worthington's cousin) has always been very supportive of NI teams and players. :good:
Not directly Ireland related but I see Scotland have lost Elliot Anderson to a nationality switch today, he's gone to England to play Under 21s and once he plays for England Under 21s he won't be eligible for Scotland again.
Just shows how hard it is, Scotland who have actually been qualifying for tournaments in recent years can't keep hold of a player who would easily be in their senior squad as he'd rather play Under 21 for England than playing for Scotland's senior team - or even keep his options open by avoiding international football for a year or two.
I think they managed to rescue that situation from as far gone as Elliot being named in a senior squad who were bound for the finals in the summer.
Their squad for the upcoming games also has Valentino Francisco Livramento, Scottish mother, Portuguese father who is now 21 and that looks like a cap tie scenario to me but he's happy to go along.
Omari Hutchinson is another very interesting one in the England under 21 squad.
He played a competitive game for England Under 19s in 2021.
Then appeared to use his "one time switch" to declare for Jamaica, winning two senior caps for them in friendlies just last year.
Now he's in the England Under 21 squad.
Although he switched it appears Jamaica never tied him as he only played friendlies for them. Shows again that it's competitive games that count when it comes to tying players, friendlies alone are no good (eg Cannon and Azaz are not tied to us despite their friendly caps, some mistakenly think they are).
Nothing to stop him playing for England this month and switching back to Jamaica again afterwards either, as far as I can tell.
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Originally Posted by elatedscum
As you can maybe tell from my previous posts on this thread today I've fallen down a bit of a hole this afternoon in terms of looking into quirks of the eligibility rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
But probably the most interesting thing I have found is the cases of Nedim Bajrami and Maarten Paes, and how they might impact on the eligibility of granny rulers to play for Ireland going forward.
Both played competitive international Under 21 football after their 21st birthdays (Bajrami for Switzerland and Paes for Netherlands).
Both then sought to switch nations, despite not formally holding the nationality of the country they were switching to previously (basically both are granny rulers, Bajrami wanted to switch to Albania and Paes to Indonesia).
Both requests were turned down by FIFA but those decisions were overturned by our old friends at CAS. The detail of the Paes one is yet to be released, but the Bajrami one has been and is very interesting from an Irish perspective. The CAS ruling is that not having gone through a paperwork exercise to formally gain citizenship is not enough of a reason to deny a switch, provided the appropriate lineage can be shown. Basically, the player doesn't need to have had citizenship, they just need to have had a grandparent born in the country they want to represent.
Long story short, it looks like CAS have bombed out the issue raised initially by the Luxembourg FA which caused all the problems for Ryan Johansson, and was thought to potentially create problems for any future Louie Barry/Liam Delap switch. My reading of it now is that, following the CAS decision for Bajrami, Barry and Delap will remain Ireland eligible until such time as England cap them in a competitive game for their senior team.
That would be great, seems fairerQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
The U21 cap after the age of 21 is a ridiculous rule anyway. The cap doesn't become more meaningful soon as you turn 21, it's the same as your previous cap. It's still youth football no matter what way they paint it. Should be soon as you play a single minute of senior football after 21, you're done. I have no clue why they brought in the stupid U21 rule.
In the current setup you can have lads who have played 3 senior qualifiers being allowed to switch when a player who has a single U21 cap isn't
Jacob Devaney has been called up to the 19s.
Turley has just been called up by the IFA for an U-19 mini-tournament later this week also involving Norway (hosts) and Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Yep - squad details:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
https://www.irishfa.com/media/55434/squad-copy-2.jpg
Noticed Aran Fitzpatrick came on for Carlisle against Nottingham Forest's U21s earlier.
According to transfermarkt, his nationality is Irish
Only his second appearance for Carlisle, he made his debut in April against Wycombe
https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/new...o-be-coming-on
Really need to sound out Louie Barry - fourth goal in five games this season in the EFL Trophy tonight against Accrington Stanley: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/l...3ymet#Line-ups
Thomas Hill named in Liverpool's Champions League Squad. Represented us but more recently turned out for Wales U21s. His development has been hampered by injuries but appears to be impressing Slot in PL2 this season.
I think it’s as much, he’s overage and they had 2 spaces free. So might as well register him
Jack Porter became Arsenal's youngest ever player to start a game last night - turned 16 in July. Plays in nets; takes the record of Cesc Fabregas.
An English underage international, but his father is from Dublin, so eligible for us too.
Fair play to him. Starting in goals at 16 is incredible
Can't even drink Porter in a pub legally !Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckett
Absolute mess of an article by Rowan in the Times today.
He must be on his jollies because he had a piece a few weeks back visiting Ipswich. He held onto some quotes and cobbled together an article for today it seems on the Irish players at the club. Szmodics, O'Shea, Ogbene, Taylor..
However, he also put in references to Delap being eligible. Right in saying he's not now for 3 years?
Worst thing about the piece was that there's a theme of question he kept putting to Kieran McKenna about him signing Irish players, the Irish players playing Gaelic football (Ogbene and O'Shea) and getting Irish qualified players to claim for us. McKenna shut it all down. Says he signed Szmodics because he was top scorer in the Championship. Says he has never spoken to O'Shea or Ogbene about Gaelic (a sport at which he excelled himself) and said he wouldn't be talking to Delap about his international allegiances.
Pretty cringe stuff from start to finish.
Yeah, think I read that any appearance in this Autumn's U21 qualifiers would tie him to England for three years, and he came on as a second-half sub against Northern Ireland. And if the rule is three years after his last U21 cap, I think it's safe to assume that the clock won't start until after the Finals next year, taking us to 2028... so he'll be ready to lead us to glory in the 2030 World Cup! (Assuming he never gets or accepts an England senior call-up for some reason)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
I'd be pretty certain that 100% of KMcK's attention is focused on Ipswich Tn and nothing else, meaning such considerations as Rowan was pursuing are/were irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Beyond that, insofar as he may be concerned about international recognition etc, there is no evidence either way that he is more (or less) interested in ROI than he is in NI.
Saw there's a lad Patrick Cushnan playing for FC Basel's u19s. A left back who is Irish (also with spanish citizenship). He's a 2007 kid, so he'd be an u18 this year. Played 29 games for their u17s last season - might have been someone we should have looked at for our u17 squad last year...
I don't know where this thing about an under 21 cap tying someone for three years has come from in the last couple of months. I've seen it referenced by a few twitter pages and even one of two sites that border on journalism websites (e.g. balls.ie). But as far as I understand it it's complete nonsense. The three years thing only relates to competitive senior caps before a players 21st birthday, it's has nothing to do with under 21 caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
The current official position on Delap is that, having taken a competitive under 21 cap for England after his 21st birthday, he's now ineligible for Ireland under FIFA rules, unless he held Irish citizenship before his first competitive English underage cap (at Under 17 or whatever). However, this position has been challenged by a couple of other players in similar situations and there have been CAS rulings to allow them to switch. So it is highly likely that Delap would be allowed to also if it was pushed. And there are now stories going around that FIFA are going to tweak the eligibility rules again because of the CAS rulings.
But anyway the three year thing is nonsense in terms of Delap - if you see any twitter page or website reference it just take it that they haven't a clue what they're on about. But I don't see Delap ever playing for us anyway, England will throw him a senior cap soon and that will be that.
Not in either squad for you chaps, 21s or fully grown, but played underage for Celtic yesterday v Dortmund in the u19 UEFA league.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I see we are embarrasing ourselves again over a player who will never play for us:
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/13942089...ic-of-ireland/
I don't think that Rory Delap ever got a fair crack of the whip when it came to playing for us ~ ~ Which might not be a big help in this either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
At this stage ~ There should be no chasing after players ~ ~ They either want to play for us or not ~ ~ Ok, no harm in saying the door is open, but I don't think there should be any chasing after players any more, because in can end up in a clown circus carry-on !
have there been many other father/son combos to play for Ireland as full internationals? Only ones I can think of are the Alan Kellys
Con Martin and Mick Martin ~ Father and Son.
This article mentions eight father and son combinations to play for Ireland:-
The Boys in Green have been a family affair down through the years as Ireland sides kept it all relative – The Irish Sun | The Irish Sun (thesun.ie)
Yeah, I saw it somewhere like that but after you said it I looked it up on the FIFA site and it's exactly as you say - the three-year rule is only for players who play up to three senior games, including competitive games, before turning 21. Searched today and found articles on three of those "border on journalism" sites you mentioned (brilliant description BTW) - extra.ie, balls.ie and sportsjoe.ie - all of them first said he closed the door by playing for England's U21s, then pivoted to mentioning a three-year cooling off period and referencing the "new rules" - two of them had links - one to the main FIFA page, and the other to a FIFA pdf about eligibility - neither link mentioned the possibility of switching after three years at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Don't be so cynical - he will help England qualify for next summer's U21 Championships and will refuse to play in them on the off-chance that FIFA will change the rule as part of his cunning plan to string the FA along and then send them into the pits of depression when he lines out for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad