Next Senior Men's Team Manager - Runners and Riders

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Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant

Poyet is better than a lot of the other names mentioned - and anything can happen in a one off game. The game degenerated into a scuffle and that benefitted Georgia despite Greece dominating possession. Georgia are likely to get destroyed in the finals.

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Bump:)

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

John O'Shea the big winner tonight from an Irish point of view.

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Gus Poyet too, from a reputation salvaging point of view.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Sagnol made a point of lauding the forward-thinking of the Georgian football federation, talking about these players come from investment in infrastructure 15 years ago.

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Offer him a 4 year contract, starting in 2039, with O'Shea as Interim - that should give everyone enough time.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Miguel Delaney

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2569760.html

Sagnol made a point of lauding the forward-thinking of the Georgian football federation, talking about these players come from investment in infrastructure 15 years ago.
What is more interesting, however, is that this just wasn’t the academy system copied from Spain or Germany. Georgia kept much more of their own cultural approach to football. This isn’t just the usual thing you hear in these discussions either. Georgian football is an outlier in many ways.
Just go onto the internet now and search for clips from Dinamo Tbilisi’s victory over Liverpool in the 1979-80 European Cup. The Georgian side overwhelmed Bob Paisley’s great side 3-0 with an expressiveness and innovation that would stand out even in today’s football. The second goal is a sensation. Centre-half Giorgi Chilaia suddenly surges forward 60 yards at full pelt, before slipping in Ramaz Shengelia to deftly lift the ball over Ray Clemence. There were echoes of that in what we saw against Portugal. West Ham United meanwhile still talk about how the same team took them apart on the way to lifting the Cup Winners’ Cup the following season.

The manner in which these football cultures were subsumed into the Soviet Union international side meant clubs like Dinamo Tbilisi served as quasi-national teams, but Georgia now have their own.

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It should be acknowledged that these sort of instructive stories come around any time any lesser-resourced country breaks through, as we already saw so much with Iceland in 2016. They aren’t always lasting, and what probably happens is that the initial shift brings enough difference and enough of a charge to do something more. By the same token, that doesn’t necessarily mean there is anything that other countries can directly mimic. It's more about the real benefit of proper focused planning.
Sagnol duly told his players to go and play like “when you were 16, 17, 18”. They did that while complementing it with a mature defensive display. Goalkeeper Giorgi Mamardashvili’s saves and defender Giorgi Gvelesiani were superb.
Some of that is Sagnol’s keen tactical mind, but all of it is empowered by his motivation. You only have to read his words here. To hear him say them is even more convincing. Sagnol is a captivating and charismatic speaker, who has already marked himself as one of the managers of the tournament. You can see why his players follow him.
Ireland have been talking to him about their job, but he may already be getting to the point where he’s out of their reach. More lucrative job offers will surely follow this.

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I still think people thinking Sagnol is suddenly out of reach is reactionary, in reality we are really basing that off one result. It must also be said going into the Euro's Georgia actually weren't looking that good, even by their own standards, and many were even question if Sagnol was even a good pick. I suspect we wouldnt be having this discussion now or even seeing articles like Miguel Delaney's if Portugal had won 2-0 last night for instance. In reality while last night was amazing for Georgian football I suspect many federations will still look at his whole reign in charge rather than just one results, albeit last night will have boosted his case massively.

Most football federations are reactionary and as naive as us football fans, what this result likely does is potential seal any contract discussion he has.

From an Irish perspective it may already be a signed that he's taking over and its just a case of waiting until Georgia's campaign ends before its confirmed...the reality is only those behind the scenes likely know and tbh unless there is a twist in the story I still think its him tbh.

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Originally Posted by CSAD

I still think people thinking Sagnol is suddenly out of reach is reactionary, in reality we are really basing that off one result. It must also be said going into the Euro's Georgia actually weren't looking that good, even by their own standards, and many were even question if Sagnol was even a good pick. I suspect we wouldnt be having this discussion now or even seeing articles like Miguel Delaney's if Portugal had won 2-0 last night for instance. In reality while last night was amazing for Georgian football I suspect many federations will still look at his whole reign in charge rather than just one results, albeit last night will have boosted his case massively.

Most football federations are reactionary and as naive as us football fans, what this result likely does is potential seal any contract discussion he has.

From an Irish perspective it may already be a signed that he's taking over and its just a case of waiting until Georgia's campaign ends before its confirmed...the reality is only those behind the scenes likely know and tbh unless there is a twist in the story I still think its him tbh.

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Self-deprecation. The Ireland manager role should be attractive enough to candidates - at least up until they meet Marc Canham.

He's figured out Spain as well

It's a great game so far

I mean, they're being battered here. But **** me, they're holding on gamely, and have the lead to cling to. This is a fun one.

I can't see our lot playing with this fluidity on the break, rare as they are. I'd love to see it though

I'd fancy this Georgian side against England

Gareth Southgate was almost available there !

Just by a minute or two ~ ~ Mind you Southgate has been terrible in this tournament so far !

I think it's worth noting that the Slovakian manager iwas also the manager of Napoli in qualifying etc
We shouldn't rule out a strong candidate if they are double jobing

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

I think it's worth noting that the Slovakian manager iwas also the manager of Napoli in qualifying etc
We shouldn't rule out a strong candidate if they are double jobing

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He didn't become Napoli manager until February of this year a few months after Slovakia actually qualified.

And his contract with Napoli was only till today. He was a coach with them already so only stepped in for the remainder of the season. If they keep him on they'll likely want him to step away from Slovakia.

Fair play to him. His first job as a senior manager was Slovakia and qualified them for a tournament at the first go. Was an assistant manager for 14 years before getting the Slovakia job.

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Originally Posted by brine3

He's figured out Spain as well

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I was going to reply with a trite response comparing the scoreline to our scoreline against them in Gdansk (4-1 vs. 4-0), but despite being only an own goal better than we managed and Spain wasting a hatful of chances in both games, there was still so much to admire in Georgia's performance and there was just nothing at all to admire in ours.

I suppose even compare it with our three-goal defeat against Portugal last month and it was absolute chalk and cheese. And yeah, both ended in comfortable defeats, but the way Georgia played will surely bring good results against mid-range teams (like us for example) which we rarely manage these days.

Fair play to Georgia but their performance in this tournament mirrors our trip to France in 2016. Scraped a draw in a group game, well beaten in another before beating a top ranked second string to qualify for the last 16 where both performed admirably without ever looking like they would cause a shock.

Sagnol is basically Martin O'Neill.

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Fair play to Georgia but their performance in this tournament mirrors our trip to France in 2016. Scraped a draw in a group game, well beaten in another before beating a top ranked second string to qualify for the last 16 where both performed admirably without ever looking like they would cause a shock.

Sagnol is basically Martin O'Neill.

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Well except we were still in with a shout against France in the dying minutes, whereas Georgia were well and truly on their way home halfway through the second half

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Originally Posted by JR89

He didn't become Napoli manager until February of this year a few months after Slovakia actually qualified.

And his contract with Napoli was only till today. He was a coach with them already so only stepped in for the remainder of the season. If they keep him on they'll likely want him to step away from Slovakia.

Fair play to him. His first job as a senior manager was Slovakia and qualified them for a tournament at the first go. Was an assistant manager for 14 years before getting the Slovakia job.

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Thanks for clarifying
I still wouldn't rule out a good manager who is in a full time role. Obviously the club would need to be onboard

68 days till the next competitive game

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

I feel like we're on a slippery slope discussing whether or not someone is racist, and what is/isn't racist.
Can we move on from the Sagnol discussion, unless he's conclusively linked with the job again

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Last warning
Next poster to mention the Georgian manager, either by name or indirectly, can have some time off to think about what you did

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Last warning
Next poster to mention the Georgian manager, either by name or indirectly, can have some time off to think about what you did

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WTF Tets? Why cant we just talk about any candidate anytime? It seems that the only person this is bothering is you. And I'm not sure why... just let the fans speculate and debate. Thats why so many sign up for fan forums - and we had many here once upon a time. Taking that away completely and for no good reason is just going to completely kill off the forum.

Because the discussion on him ends the same way every time - if he's racist, if what he said was racist, and if supporting him as a candidate makes you a racist.
There's been more reported posts from this thread in the last month than the rest of the International forum combined, so clearly it's not just me.
It's all a moot point anyway, he's staying with Georgia

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Last warning
Next poster to mention the Georgian manager, either by name or indirectly, can have some time off to think about what you did

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Note to self: don’t discuss speculation on the potential next manager on the potential next manager thread