From what I know, Bracken was six when he moved to England and had U-16 trials with Ireland where George Hook didn't pick him so he went to England. Can't really blame the lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
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From what I know, Bracken was six when he moved to England and had U-16 trials with Ireland where George Hook didn't pick him so he went to England. Can't really blame the lad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I doubt any of them knew O'Brien plays for us. That should make them think twice.
its called diplomacy, he is obviously trying to diffuse the situation as best he can so he doesnt become more of a hate figure in scotland, i read rangers gave him dogs abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
a lot of scumbags in scotland, they take that to another level too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
The TAMB just seems to be anti Irish and English threads. I know the Scots like their fried food but theyve got a few too many chips on their shoulder by the looks of it :rolleyes:
Why do people blame everyone but themseves for their mistakes?? They turned him down without a second thought when he was a schoolboy, now he looks decent they wanna have a cry. I used to like the Scottish National side (Even once owned a jersey) Now I could not care less about them, I think they may be ****ed cos their scouting network inflicted Chris "take your points the goals will come" Iweloumu upon them whereas ours gave us Houghton, McGeady and McCarthy. Poor puddings.
Looks like he continues to have plenty of options in the summer. The game 2day was the worst game of football this season
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/7916517.stm
He wasn't involved all that much today to be honest but Stephen Ireland was on the periphery of a lot of games a year or 2 ago but it was always clear he was a class act. I doubt clubs will be putting in bids for McCarthy based on today's performance but I'm sure they'll keep scouting him.
Did he get much abuse?
Is there any chance at all in your opinions that he ends up playing for Scotland?
Absolutely not, he is fully committed to playing for Ireland and after all the abuse he has recieved from scottish fans he wouldnt even consider playing for them at this stage in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
We are very lucky to have him, he is going to be top class
Why doesn't Trap just cap him already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
If he was going to be capped, it would be in the a friendly, unfortunately he was injured for the Poland game in November (or sick, can't remember). No manager is going to play a 17 year old in a qualifier, no matter how good he is.
I've seen nothing to suggest he is going to change allegiance, and will more than likely play in the qualifiers for the U-21's which will tie him to us. I'm not worried.
He shouldn't have to cap him. If McCarthy is a real risk of switching allegiance back to Scotland (which I don't think he is) then personally I'd prefer if we didn't cap him just for the sake of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
If he's as good as the potential shown to date then he will get his chance in good time. I'm not sure the end-of-season friendly in London is too likely as I suspect Trapp will be trying to get most of the first-choice team some playing time together.
That will not tie him to us. He has to play an A competitive international or reach 21 having won his last underage cap for us...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Just thought it worth mentioning that one of the top young talents in the English Premiership at the moment is West Ham's Jack Collison who has decided to play for Wales by virtue of having a Welsh Grandfather. I don't recall a negative word being uttered about this decision.
Player profile: http://www.whufc.com/page/PlayerProf...~41181,00.html
Playing very well at the moment as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
England have such a deep player pool, that when an English eligible player decides to play for a different national team, it is considered that individuals loss rather than the team's loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Not so with nations with smaller player pools such as Scotland and Ireland.
^ What he said.....................spot on.
Scotland fans and officials should be asking themselves the question 'Why are Scots born youngsters are turning to Ireland to play international football rather than the country of the birth?'
The sooner they realise that has got more to do with Scottish society and culture, the sooner they might actually fix their little problem rather than ranting about and abusing Ireland for stealing their players. To be honest if the SFA or FA came to Ireland to scout youngster I'd imagine they'd be turned down. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that but I feel they'd find it more important to play for their own country.
watching him play against rangers - he's getting dogs abuse from the rangers fans- he's playing well though
Has it, though? The abuse, while disgraceful, doesn't explain why McCarthy and McGeady chose not to play for Scotland. Scottish society and culture- at least the footballing aspects of it- aren't that different from Ireland's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
I don't think you can say, generally. Every example is different. Stephen Ireland and George McCartney, say- they weren't linked with any other country but they couldn't/ can't be bothered to play for their own for long periods.Quote:
To be honest if the SFA or FA came to Ireland to scout youngster I'd imagine they'd be turned down. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that but I feel they'd find it more important to play for their own country
Making his 100th senior appearance today
The youngest ever footballer to achieve 100 first-team appearances in Scottish football.
Not bad for an 18 year old.
playing up front in a 3-4-3 formation
strange for hamilton to play like that
Strachan called it a 3-6-1 formation.
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Originally Posted by Gather round
And niether are the cultures (footballing at least) of NI and RoI yet we have two national teams and two national identities. Presumably McCarthy and McGeady feel Irish in the same way that Andy Goram, Stuart McCall and David Speedie felt Scottish despite being born and brought up in the culturally similar nation of England.
TP- my point wasn't to criticise McGeady and McGrath, or to defend Scottish culture. It was simply to suggest that, were the situation reversed, some fans and media in Ireland might well react in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by third policeman
Speedie was born in Glenrothes, Fife btw.
You could be right. But I think we are deluding ourselves if we try to ignore the sectarian edge to this. There have been a number of contributions on this site dealing with scenarios involving second generation Polish or Nigerian players, and in these circumstances I dont think that the media in the RoI would give them a hard time. But lets imagins a situation where we had a United Ireland or even just a united football team, if a Northern-born player from a Unionist background opted to play for England or Scotland through grand parentage and continued playing domestic football here, then I think the reaction would be pretty hostile. I respect McGeady and McCarthy's right to play for us, but I can understand how this grates with some Scottish people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
just seen that he's not in the team tonight.....is he injured...cant see anywhere that he withdrew from the squad
ireland have just gone 1-0 up - own goal but jay o shea is claiming it.
Keeper came for a free, punched it off his own defender, and O'Shea knocked it in with his knee!
did he - fair enough , i didnt watch the replay , thought it already crossed the lineQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
sure they all count
and what if mccarthy in the 21s...was he injured or something??
Not sure if he was genuinely injured but he was definitely pulled out of the squad having being named initially in itQuote:
Originally Posted by aidz1
McCarthy available for the U-21's VS Turkey on Tuesday: http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=4153
Will he now be called into the senior squad for the game against Nigeria?
possibly, AFAIK the next U-21 game isn't until the autumn
I'd prefer to see Garvan, Treacy and O'Toole though
Nothing against McCarthy, just I don't want to throw an 18 year old into international football
If he's good enough, he's old enough. He has way more first team experience than some of our current players.
Thats a fair point. He has more first team football under his belt than alot of 21 year oldsQuote:
Originally Posted by boovidge