The Steve Staunton Discussion thread

This is a stupid thread. There's simply no point changing the manager as we can have no confidence that this job could attract anyone who would do a better job. Stan is in the job for one reason, and one reason alone... because noone else of any decent standard wanted it in the first place. Same applies still, unless you want Neil fricking Wornock in charge.

By the way, McCarthy made just as glaring mistakes, even worse. And took a ridiculously lomg time to learn from these mistakes, choosing instead to blame his supposed 'bad luck'. Difference is Staunton doesnt have Keano to paper over the cracks and pull him out of impossible situations.

60 someodd caps in 11 yrars? keano didnt do ****e for ireland ****in quisling ****** i mean ffs don't blame mccarthy for bad results previous he'd got us out of this group no boather

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Get real, Kilbane was one of our best ,.. AGAIN.

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ah come off it, he was rubbish (as usual), why cant he cross or pass a simple ball

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Take a step back & compare Kilbane's career with Hunts. It must be me & every premiership manager that has a non existant knowledge of football so.

Of course I know Kilbane is not world class. However he played pretty well tonight, better than most & Hunt has done sweet FA for Ireland to date. I hope that changes, but that is the fact.

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no...........sure isnt the great John O Shea a manure utd player..............so what does that prove........SFA

100% Effort..........so what...............i would give that too if i had an Ireland jersey on, but im honest enought to admit im no good

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Originally Posted by ofjames

This is a stupid thread. There's simply no point changing the manager as we can have no confidence that this job could attract anyone who would do a better job. Stan is in the job for one reason, and one reason alone... because noone else of any decent standard wanted it in the first place. Same applies still, unless you want Neil fricking Wornock in charge.

By the way, McCarthy made just as glaring mistakes, even worse. And took a ridiculously lomg time to learn from these mistakes, choosing instead to blame his supposed 'bad luck'. Difference is Staunton doesnt have Keano to paper over the cracks and pull him out of impossible situations.

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I don't think you get it, there are mistakes and there is blatant ignorance.

I have a 13 year old deaf and blind mongrel dog, even he knows that Reid should have started, that Kelly and O'Shea were out position and that you cannot hang on to an undeserved lead (no pun intended!) if you do not have the ball, that the game is not over until the whistle blows.

The total lack of professionalism in Stan's big grin to Kevin Doyle with 5 minutes left, shows that unlike a lot of us amateurs watching the game, he thought the game was won, what message must that give to the players?

That total pr!ck Roy Keane, must have been laughing his @ss of at this display of incompetence from Stan. For once, I feel sorry for the players and not the manager.

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Originally Posted by Scram

The total lack of professionalism in Stan's big grin to Kevin Doyle with 5 minutes left, shows that unlike a lot of us amateurs watching the game, he thought the game was won, what message must that give to the players?

That total pr!ck Roy Keane, must have been laughing his @ss of at this display of incompetence from Stan. For once, I feel sorry for the players and not the manager.

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any still you complain about Roy Keane:rolleyes:

Nothing can be achieved by letting Stan go (or him walking away) at this stage of the campaign. My only concern is - when/if he goes come the end of the qualifiers - what kind of 'world class manager' will be appointed in his place: another under-age manager like Brian Kerr, perhaps Damian Richardson or Pat Dolan. The FAI is a farce ... ask Roy Keane. Last night's result was bad, but it could have been worse ... ask Nigel Worthington.

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

any still you complain about Roy Keane:rolleyes:

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I agree with everything Keane says about winning attitude, lack of professionalism in the FAI etc. I don't agree with him not playing for his country or talking sh!te about Shay Given's caps, anti-Cork bias etc. and I imagine he like Dunphy, is happy when we fcuk-up. Staunton had the chance last night to shut both up but his team selection and decisions played right in to their hands.

You are wrong about Keane and you are on your own and wrong again about Kilbane's performance last night. He was the least culpable, though I agree with your starting team on an other thread, I would have had Kilbane at left back. That should not take away from his performance which defensively was excellent (covering for Kelly who was of course out of position)

Bottom line, Delaney (won't happen) and Stan must go. (and yes, I'm sure Keane would agree with that)

ps. not intending to turn this into a Saipan thread.

I went out to the training sessions on Wednesday and Thursday. Andy Reid and Stephen Hunt were outstanding and the only reason they weren't picked, as far as I can reason was, some sort of personality clash with Stan.

Kilbane is good for the squad in terms of his attitude and good nature but Reid is a far superior player.

Stan out....sooner rather than later

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Originally Posted by Scram

I would have had Kilbane at left back. That should not take away from his performance which defensively was excellent (covering for Kelly who was of course out of position)

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In fairness, Kelly has played a lot more football at left back then Kilbane, so Kilbane would be out of position also

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Originally Posted by Scram

Easy to blame the manager, but even with my limited knowledge of football, I would have picked a team and managed this game better than the inept Staunton.

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:D

I couldn't agree more. He may be a nice guy and had a tough time but its time to get rid of him, Hughton, Devlin and also most importantly get rid of Don Givens as U-21 manager. Oh and I nearly forgot Delaney. Between them the management team have the intellect of Jordan

There were more Slovaks in Ireland's half for the last few minutes than Irish players. Its actually quite funny and as my footer suggested some months back Ireland will finish 4th. I just cannot believe how lucky "we" were last night to get a draw. Slovakia must be kicking themselves.

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

He showed his inexperience tonight with his substitutions- I thought it seemed like he thought the game was won and decided to give the fringe players a run out.

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i agree especially when he took doyle off. the look on his face- he thought we had it won.

I was annoyed after the game until I read this thread. Some people need to lay off championship manager

An ode to last night

Staunton, a man of ineptitude,
Has Ireland's team well and truly screwed,
He chose not to start with Stephen Hunt,
I think you'll agree when I say he's a ****.

He made a decision in our time of need,
to forsake the left foot of Andy Reid.
When I saw Jon Douglas take to the field,
I knew that a draw was the best we could yield.

Watching our team shouldn't be misery,
with players like Doyler and Ireland and Keane.
I think that our 'gaffer' should step down and leave,
so we can rebuild from the wreckage of Steve.

Paul Jewell is available

Didn't the FAI give Stan a 4 year contract and he is at the same pay rate or higher than Mick? So I don't think they'll want to pay off 2 years of his contract so Stan stays. Correct me if I'm wrong but the FAI doesn't have the financial leeway right now to look at another manager, unless Stan walks.

Right, i think Stan Larel needs to get the chop asap. Question is, who out there could we realistically hope to get to come and manage us, that will help turn us around. I've had a think, and tbh, I'm struggling to come up with anybody! Steve Coppell would be my choice, he's at a relatively small club that he's taken as far as they can go really. Would he want to manage us? Who knows. But he'd be an excellent candidate.

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Originally Posted by Theskinloyal

I went out to the training sessions on Wednesday and Thursday. Andy Reid and Stephen Hunt were outstanding and the only reason they weren't picked, as far as I can reason was, some sort of personality clash with Stan.

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What you mean they have one and Stan doesn't?

No Hunt is just incredible. This has to be down to Hunt been outspoken (ie about the choice of players for the US tour) about how the team is been run. It just cannot be a footballing decision for Staunton to play Gibson and Douglas ahead of Hunt. As with Givens and the other oddballs who surround Stan they are picking their teams based on non-footballing matters. We played a **** poor team yesterday and yet everyone watching (other that the "management") could see both of their goals coming. Only for Richard Dunne we migh thave lost the game.

The FAI will not sack Stan. And Stan will not be walking away (who else would have him?) Almost unbelievably we can still qualify. Winning on wednesday is not beyond a team with Hunt, Given, Dunne, Reid, Doyle, Keane, Carsley and McShane in it. Can Staunton be brought to his footballing senses that is the question? I just get the feeling we have a group of thin skinned small minded idiots from Delaney down to Givens running the show at the minute.

Who else?
What about Mike Newell?

I touted him the last time this subject came here's what I wrote:

What qualities would you look for in an international manager?
Some have been mentioned above but I'll go through a list and suggest a manager that fills the criteria.

1. He would probably have to be a free agent so the FAI don't have to pay any compensation.
2. He needs to have at least several years experience as a manager and a track record to show that he improves with experience.
3. Not a prerequisite, but it would help if he had some experience playing at a high level.
4. Media savvy
5. Previous job's salary similar to or lower than what the FAI can offer
6. Not an old has been who will be happy to take it as a part-time role before his pension (el Tel)
7. Able to get results with limited resources.
8. A proven motivator
9. Be able to suffer the fools at the FAI

I might have been a bit selective with the creiteria because I knew who I was going to suggest but it's Mike Newell.

He's a free agent at the moment, hasn't managed at the highest level so would probably not expect an unreasonable wage. He spent most of his career in the lower leagues but he did win a Premiership medal with Blackburn. He has five years management experience, the first season was a nightmare with Hartlepool but he learned quick and was a big success at Luton with a small squad of 20 players. He could be our Laurie Sanchez.
The only problem I would see is that he wouldn't suffer the fools at the FAI very lightly and he's a bit unstable :)

mike newell! pfft
you need someone like this

Stephen Kenny would be my pick for Ireland should Stan go/sacked

Laurie Sanchez, but doubt he'd leave Fulham for Ireland tbh. So Stephen Kenny would be a good enough choice. **** it, even Roddy Collins would be better than Staunton:o.

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Originally Posted by City till I Die

Stephen Kenny would be my pick for Ireland should Stan go/sacked

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Stephen Kenny is an excellent club manager because he has the ability with time and hard work to get a team extremely fit and playing as a unit.

An International manager must do this for every game in about 3 days. Do you think Stephen Kenny can do this?

I don't think so. I think Ireland and any other International team need a very experienced manager that has the respect of players. Who Im not sure. Im sure there are many such managers available if issues were tried. Mick McCarthy was inexperienced, Brian kerr was inexperienced to an extent in that he was used to dealing with part time players and youths and Steve Staunton has close to no experience. That answers a lot of questions.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Laurie Sanchez, but doubt he'd leave Fulham for Ireland tbh. So Stephen Kenny would be a good enough choice. **** it, even Roddy Collins would be better than Staunton:o.

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Any manager can use the Sanchez system. 4-5-1 and get EVERYONE behind the ball when you lose it. You concede very little goals as you have 11 defenders when you don't have the ball although you are over reliant on your loan striker and counter attacks.

I must say I like the idea of Mike Newell , I would rate him very highly and he has an ethical and professional approach.

I think John Aldridge will get it and maybe he will do ok as he will have the respect of the players and has a decent track record at club level. My own choice would be Damien Richardson ;)

john sheridan may be a choice as well.

i thought kilbane was his usual. gave the ball away too cheaply. as did carsley. poor irish performance got the result it deserved. staunton should go after this campaign. gibson and douglas subs were unfathomable.

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Originally Posted by finnpark

:D

Between them the management team have the intellect of Jordan

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That's a terrible slur on a whole country :D

just wondering is bobby robson still around and what is his role or influence on what happens on the pitch....... surely if he's still around he must see what a bag of sh*t stan is and surely he must be able to positively influence things given his wealth of experience.... or is he as big a muppet staunton is and happy to rob the the irish football public of what it deserves....football played with pride and passion

Noely, what did Hunt say about the US tour? I can't remember.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Noely, what did Hunt say about the US tour? I can't remember.

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Stuttgart it was to do with the non-selection of his brother Noel to the travelling squad for the US games.

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Originally Posted by finnpark

I think John Aldridge will get it and maybe he will do ok as he will have the respect of the players and has a decent track record at club level. My own choice would be Damien Richardson ;)

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John Aldridge was on Sky Sports this morning as part of their panel analysing yesterday's games. He was asked if he would ever go back into football management and he just said that he had didn't think he would and that he had enough of it.

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

John Aldridge was on Sky Sports this morning as part of their panel analysing yesterday's games. He was asked if he would ever go back into football management and he just said that he had didn't think he would and that he had enough of it.

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I wonder why he's had enough when saps ludicrously treat managers the way we've treated Stan.

The Stan debate is over in my view. The papers changed their tone this week and it was good for everyone. Stan has done good things. I've spoken throughout this campaign about them on my blog.

The simple truth is that we arent good enough at this time. All this talk of tactics and substitutions and player's positions is stupidness. Anyone notice that Benitez put Finnan left back for Liverpool the other week?? No I doubt it. Cause it shows that Stan has the cop on to know (like benitez) that these things arent black and white like Dunphy thinks it is.

We are short as a team. Some players are still too young. Some arent good enough, but they are the best we have at the moment in terms of experience (Carsley,Kilbane,O'Shea). All of them have good spirit and so are worthy of a bit more respect. But we're just short at the end of the day. We couldnt close the game out and keep possession. That'll catch up with us.

I'd just love us to pull one out of the bag and beat Czech, but I think its a case of waiting to see how the next campaign goes at this stage.

The only way I can see us beating the Czechs is if we scored a lucky goal in the last minute because I don't think we are capable of holding onto a lead away from home at the moment.
As for those saying why doesn't McShane get stick for the first goal like JOSH did for the 2nd, its because McShane may make mistakes but at least he doesn't pussy out of challenges like JOSH, they way he turned away from that ball is unforgivable and he definitely deserves to be dropped for the next game, I'd be surprised it Stan did though. Also, people blame McShane for the Czech equalizer but it was Josh needlessly giving away a free kick that lead to that goal so JOSH was at least 50% responsible for that goal too.

TP, your mood swings have been quite extreme lately. You ok?

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Originally Posted by craig7042

I wonder why he's had enough when saps ludicrously treat managers the way we've treated Stan.

The Stan debate is over in my view. The papers changed their tone this week and it was good for everyone. Stan has done good things. I've spoken throughout this campaign about them on my blog.

The simple truth is that we arent good enough at this time. All this talk of tactics and substitutions and player's positions is stupidness. Anyone notice that Benitez put Finnan left back for Liverpool the other week?? No I doubt it. Cause it shows that Stan has the cop on to know (like benitez) that these things arent black and white like Dunphy thinks it is.

We are short as a team. Some players are still too young. Some arent good enough, but they are the best we have at the moment in terms of experience (Carsley,Kilbane,O'Shea). All of them have good spirit and so are worthy of a bit more respect. But we're just short at the end of the day. We couldnt close the game out and keep possession. That'll catch up with us.

I'd just love us to pull one out of the bag and beat Czech, but I think its a case of waiting to see how the next campaign goes at this stage.

www.theboysingreen.blogspot.com

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Good post, time to face facts, took 4 points off a side that qualified for the last wc, we don't have the players at the minute.....I reckon our day is coming!

Andy Reid quoted in today's when asked how he felt about not playing on Saturday "..He decides so you have to accept it, even if you don't like it.." so once Stan reads that you can guarantee he won't pick Reid....

IMo we were never going to win two away games on the bounce...and a win on satuday and a draw on wed wasn't going to be a great help ....so based on irrational optomism and the law of averages I reckon we'll win on Wed... lose to the Germans , beat Cyprus and then need a win in wales to qualify... and of course blow that by conceeding a late goal... finish third and Delaney will keep his pet muppet in a job based on his view that Stan is a world class manager when it comes to managing property innvestments.

I'm personally of the opinion that he should be given until the end of this campaign and if we fail to qualify (which is by far the most likely outcome now) he should be definitely sent packing.

His decisions were shocking on Saturday. That game was easier to win than draw. His starting line up, tactics and substitutions all combined to cost us the three points agaisnt an obviously very poor team.

Its glaringly obvious that he's out of his depth. When are the FAI going to learn to stop cutting corners when choosing managers?

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Originally Posted by craig7042

The simple truth is that we arent good enough at this time. All this talk of tactics and substitutions and player's positions is stupidness.

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So you think that questioning the substitution which introduced Douglas instead of Reid is "stupidness"?

I have no problem with Ireland losing, if we are beaten by a better team. The quality of the players from which you can choose your national side is not something you can do much about. It will always go up and down for any international side.

I have a problem with us losing because our manager is not good enough, and makes decisions he should not make, decisions which influence results.
Because that is something we CAN do something about.

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Originally Posted by craig7042

The Stan debate is over in my view.

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Your blinkered view.