Dean Smith was tipped for the job and he went off to Charlotte FC instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Now - if Carsley did take the job and got Stoke back into the PL - that would go a long way to proving he knows what he is doing.
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Dean Smith was tipped for the job and he went off to Charlotte FC instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Now - if Carsley did take the job and got Stoke back into the PL - that would go a long way to proving he knows what he is doing.
He's being linked with the Sunderland role also and would prefer that to the Stoke position. According to Philip Quinn anyway so make of that what you want..
If he took the job and got Stoke back to the PL, nevermind proving he knows what he is doing, he'd have the pick of any coaching role in Europe! Pep/Klopp etc wouldn't be capable of getting them back in the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Stoke City is owned by Denise Coates, owner of Bet365 - she's worth about €6billion.
Tony Fernandes(QPR) is worth 15billion, an American trio worth 11billion own Ipswich. Bristol City, W.Brom, Southampton, Sunderland, Blackburn etc all have billionaires as owners. That gimp Elon Musk could own Stoke, they aren't getting anywhere near the PL anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Derry City are owned by a billionaire, doesn't mean they're about to win anything major.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by LurcherLover
They're a basket case club and will be a basket case club for years to come.
Isn't it funny how Carsley is suddenly being linked with clubs now when he never was before. The timing is too coincidental. My personal belief is he wants the Ireland job and these "links" are a play by his agent to force the FAI into making a decision.
Went from 25/1 in to 3/1 in places today, can still be got at 12s in others for the Stoke job.
I can't see him there either though.
My preference is still Hughton - but I would be okay with seeing what Carsley would be able to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
It is possible that the FAI are waiting to see what happens with Hughton - they would probably have to pay compensation for Carsley because he is under contract.
Carsley is only in contract till August and actually think the FA would let Carsley leave early without much hassle. They've two qualifiers in March and then none till September.
If he actually wants the Ireland job don't think it does the FA any good to make him see out his contract if they play hard ball about compensation.
Would it be very FAI if they ended up appointing Carsley when he was linked to the job for months and them having told us all that they are speaking to lots of candidates and I would bet even going so far as to leak the approach to Anthony Barry in the midst of the Hill pay saga as a distraction?
Fair enough - run a "process" with the intention of looking a more professional organization but be careful regarding time wasting.
We will see in due course whether it does end up being Carsley as I am hoping. Wouldn't be displeased with Hughton either and those are the two names which have hung around the most and longest in the discourse surrounding the role I think.
Its been reported several times in different outlets that the FA won't stand in the way if him taking a senior role with us. Haven't seen anything official from them and obviously wouldn't expect to but I'd say you're right re not getting much hassle from them if he decides to leave before his contract ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Objectively. I’m not sure that Carsley is all that more promising than Kenny was when he got annointed. I think he represents a similar gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Nah - Kenny had very little track record - he was always fortunate with the LOI teams he ended up with, despite what is a good record in the LOI. Once he stepped outside his comfort zone everything fell apart (as shown by his time in Scotland). I think Jim Crawford played a bigger role than is obvious in the relative success of the U-21s while Kenny was there - and I think he has proven that since taking over when Kenny was given the top job.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Carsley is a different kettle of fish - he is a highly regarded coach in footballing circles. He has had experience across a range of clubs - Coventry, Man City, Sheff Utd, Brentford and Birmingham in a range of capacities including caretaker manager for several of them, before he started working with the England U-20s and U21s. He won the Euros (admittedly with a good England squad - but there were a lot of good squads at that tournament). His experience and record is significantly better than Kenny's at the level that he would be expected to work at.
This doesn't mean that Carsley will be a success - but he does have the potential to be a success. In contrast, Kenny was always a disaster waiting to happen from the moment he was appointed U-21s manager and designated McCarthy's successor (it was never going to work and should never have happened). We have a young squad and more young players coming along the production line - Carsley is highly touted at being able to develop players, and while he wouldn't be my first choice, I would be optimistic about the future. I won't be burying my head in my hands at the ineptitude of the FAI when they appointed Kenny (and by the way - I don't blame Kenny for anything that has happened in the last four years - any LOI manager would have jumped at the prospect of getting the job - but Kenny had shown nothing that would lead anyone to believe he could have been anything other than what happened - and why the FAI renewed his contact in 2022 beggars belief).
I keep seeing write ups on Kieran McKenna and I know we wouldn't get him over a Premiership club or due to Ipswich's likely promotion but wouldn't he be great? In another era, the job might have attracted him. An Ireland supporter to boot having gone to the Euros.
Yea - probably trueQuote:
Originally Posted by JR89
McKenna is one who should be penciled for the future and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen at some stage - but he is likely to get a run at at least one big club before he becomes a realistic option for the Ireland job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Yeah. I was very drunk when I wrote that tbf. I accept your response in full.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
You were very drunk? Doesn't make you a bad person.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Then why do I feel so bad Mark? Why?
Apparently McKenna is on 1.5 million a year with a 4 mil buyout clause... so in other words we've as much chance of getting Guardiola right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
That is the kinda money available with some of the clubs in the championship now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
'Carsley closes on Republic job" according to British journalist Alan Nixon this morning.
He was a huge risk given his lack of experience and lack of a playing career so it's great it's worked out so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I’d have him at Celtic in a heartbeat
If the reports are true (and Nixon tends to be right a lot more often than he is wrong), you'd have to say luring Carsley would be a successful outcome on paper for the FAI. Plenty of Championship clubs would definitely take him if they could get him, so it's positive that it looks like he is going to choose the Ireland job over other options.
You also have to remember with Ireland he’s likely going to have at least 3-4 years in the job whereas with a championship club, eg Stoke, he could be out in 10 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I joined Nixons Patreon to get access to what he said. Nothing new and wish I didn't bother, but here it is anyway....
By Alan Nixon
England under-21 coach Lee Carsley is closing in on a shock switch to become the new Republic of Ireland number one.
Carsley led the Young Lions to European success but is now open to a step up to the senior ranks.
And the Irish have short listed him immediately for their post after letting Stephen Kenny go, with the highly rated coach prepared to move.
Carsley has been linked with club jobs but the Irish post appeals to him - although it will be a big job to get them back to winning ways.
It would be the second time Carsley has been part of the Irish set up as he played for them in an illustrious career.
Carsley, 49, was born in Birmingham but played 40 times for the Republic after picking them as his nation.
That's Patreon content?! Typical Nixon, an absolute spoofer who throws a tantrum every time someone calls him out online for the things he gets wrong. He knows as much as we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
A "shock" switch - really?Quote:
England under-21 coach Lee Carsley is closing in on a shock switch to become the new Republic of Ireland number one.
Just another football journalism cliché. The word is decorative.
It was certainly a waste of $3 LOL
Crikey - talk about taking one for the team RLP!
Hardly worth it, but you've saved the rest of us the price of half a pint :p
Think of it as my Xmas present to Foot.ie :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Well, if it's correct, if nothing else it does at least say that he's actually interested in the Ireland job, which I think is the first time that's actually been said anywhere.
Just remember to cancel the Patreon subscription before next month RLP!
Already canceled :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I still think my theory from early in the week is right, in that he spoke to FAI and has let it leak that he's spoken to Stoke. That story came out when the Barry story gained traction. Trying to force the FAI into making a decision.
I think we can connect the dots back to Dunne, Kilbane and Harte talking Carsley up for the job in the summer too, I don't believe they do that without knowing he wants it.
Also, I've seen people speculating that he might fancy the England job after Southgate, I think the clubs he's been linked with recently show that he's a million miles from getting the England job so Ireland job would be attractive.
I'll be very disappointed if it's anyone else other than him tbh
I'd have doubts about Carsley. I prefer him to Hughton but his coaching/ managerial merits are with underage teams. Can't say I'm an avid follower of the England U21 team :-), but saw a good chunk of the U21 final and thought Spain were all over them despite England having an arguably better squad on paper.
I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
He was extremely highly thought of at Brentford after managing their Development Squad, and they really wanted to appoint him as their Manager/Head Coach when a vacancy arose. He did very well in a temporary capacity, but declined a permanent appointment for (genuine) family reasons, preferring to take up the FA job, since it was nearer his home in the Midlands.
And Brentford's record in appointing managers, from all sorts of backgrounds, has been consistently excellent over a decade or more.
But why was he "extremely highly thought of at Brentford"? Expand on that. How do you think he'll set us up to play if appointed?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Expect that lad Carsley replaced ...Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen