Personally I wouldn't want my season ticket refunded, it was bought to support the club so even if the season was abandoned I wouldn't seek a refund. That's a personal thing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
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Personally I wouldn't want my season ticket refunded, it was bought to support the club so even if the season was abandoned I wouldn't seek a refund. That's a personal thing though.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Id be the same but it’s something that should be factored into financial projections. I don’t think every ST holder in the LOI would be willing to take the loss on the chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
Even those who share your stance are likely to want to be offered a refund.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull
It's impossible to tell, but I suspect that it would be a very hard sell to convince more than 20% of ST holders to just swallow the cost. It's a huge financial implication for clubs
GAA are offering discounts on next years season ticket nowQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
You've got to think most LOI season ticket holders would want to let the club keep the money but if you're a family of 4 you could be talking the guts of 500 quid which in this climate with what looks like an economic crisis coming could be needed in some homes
There's no right or wrong answer with season ticket's,of course clubs hope there's not a run on season ticket money but can't really refuse people if they need it........
Sorry, but I dont understand this logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
If you've paid for the season ticket( even if its 500 quid or more), then you've in effect budgeted for it already. it wont matter your future circumstances -it doesnt matter if you go to games or not, its money gone -why would you now look for the money back?
They've budgeted for it based on having x income, some people could be on reduced wages, or on the 350 quid or self employed or whatever. Same as clubs, budgets are all messed up at the moment and some people may not be in the position to essentially donate 500quidQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
That logic could be used for anything in this crisis. A person may have budgeted for a holiday and now it’s gone are they supposed to just let it go and let the travel company away scott free. A season ticket sold by clubs shouldn’t be seen by them as a charitable donation, a percentage of fans will let it go but those who don’t want to aren’t obliged to.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Its money given out but in lieu of attending games - if you can't attend the games then you are entitled to a refund or at least a voucher towards next seasons ticket. If you have lost your job as a result of this you will need that money back. Your argument is like paying for a holiday but when the holiday is cancelled people shrugging their shoulders and saying - sure that flight money is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Bradford saying that the EFL are suggesting no fans at games for the rest of this calendar year.
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"City officials have recently been informed of the ever-growing possibility of supporters being unable to attend matches until 2021," a club statement read.
"And it is now highly likely that next season will commence behind closed doors."
I was alluding to that thought process growing through work briefings, though I didnt say it was with the NHS. UK figures are startling and will get a lot worse. There is a whole lot of manipulation on the stats which are slowly be adjusted somewhere toward a true reflection of things. It's no surprise that people are reading between the lines. The hope here is that we got ahead of things better and maybe see a sooner lifting of restrictions. Border and travel from and to the UK will be a problem and I think even in N.I. its being realised that an all-island strategy will be of greater benefit to them.
In our case I'd say it's a factor in the club pushing for behind closed doors. Not sure on ST numbers but sales could have been maybe between €150-200k which is spent by now on wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
The club have tweeted about the possible cost of live streaming home games (€10 for a non ST holder) so I'd imagine they'd just offer that free to ST holders and cover it that way.
Away games €7 for ST holders, which suggests maybe an incentive for ST holders to view away games for €3 cheaper than non ST holders.
They'd also have to offer a partial cash refund if the supporter wanted it though (what if there's 2-3 STs in one house for example, or if people just didn't want the stream at that cost if it's Trackchamp quality).
If the season is cancelled then clubs presumably will offer a high discount on 2021 tickets (full price minus the cost of the 2 home games in our case played this season).
You can't just write off the money as a donation. People paid for a product. LOI clubs aren't a charity even if it seems like that a lot of the time!
And that's exactly what's happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I guess some people treat their own club like another amenity, such as a holiday. Others are far more invested in the club the liveQuote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
I was referencing keeping the club you love alive, by not seeking the money back. In effect, foregoing the fact that you won't see any more live football this year, but next year you'll have a club to come back to.
Of course some just use football clubs as just another night out. This is why crowds rise & fall with results , not everyone that goes to a game is a hardcore fan that will back a club no matter what. That’s just the way football and sports in general operates.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
The reality is clubs will surely have to at least offer a refund on season tickets. Those who want to waive the refund would be entitled to do so. But those who want the money back might otherwise lose enough goodwill that they wouldn't buy a season ticket next season. So there's definitely swings and roundabouts in it.
The league will need the goodwill of ST holders aswell. There will be short and long term legacy issues from the current crisis in reference to crowded places.The majority of LOI grounds are tight & compact , it will be import to attract fans back any way we can. The clubs will need to allow for the issue financially, their will be a good percentage that will not look for anything back but I wouldn’t see that percentage as high as some on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I personally am willing to write it off but I know that not every LOI season ticket holder is in such a fortunate position and some just manage to get the money for a season ticket together each year to support the club normally and now with all that's going on might be in a financial crisis of their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
I personally also wouldn't look for a refund, but I can fully understand if fans who have taken a financial hit of their own during this crisis would at least like to have the option. If for example you've lost your job and are struggling to pay your bills as a result of that, you might not be inclined to let it go easily.
It's an interesting and cute spin to put on it, increased testing in sporting context = general benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
"We now see in everyday life that our concept recognises and reduces risks at an early stage," said Tim Meyer, head of the German league's medical task force.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020...-off-by-email/
Waterford's players and staff laid off by email!
It’s coming for every club , paying players with no income and none on the horizon is not sustainable. Non contact sports are finding it hard to find a way to return to action , football at our level is a good while off.
By email though? Im sure the Chairman could stretch to a phonecall to each!Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
Waterford's situation handled badly but there has been no clear direction from the FAI across this.
They, along with the clubs, need to come to a decision to cancel the season now. It's going to be next year at this stage, time to accept it and plan accordingly.
The FAI's most recent statement says all football is ceased until 18th May. That's their only response to the government 5-phase plan. Nowhere do they even say 19th June is now off the table - do they think that date is still possible?! Needs to be some clarity on the situation this week.
This behind closed doors, streaming, possibly at a total of 4/5 grounds for 10 clubs, is nonsense. How can any club realistically implement those 40 pages of guidelines. It's hard enough for clubs here to prepare for a match day even in normal circumstances. If they deem Finn Park (just as an example) unsuitable to host games, do Harps have to travel to Sligo or Dublin for all their 'home' games!
Let's say they go ahead with the BCD plan. The First Division is absolutely done whatever happens, so there wouldn't be any relegation in any case. That would leave a lot of Premier clubs with nothing to play for before long, if they for some reason attempt to restart the season.
Something should have been arranged maybe groups on zoom until the whole squad was informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
It seems the manager wasnt even informed in advanced and found out via messages from players. Just bad form and pure bad manners - the behaviour of a coward who couldnt face the people he was laying off, or someone who just doesnt give a sh!t...
Any argument based around "xxx need to get with the program and stop complaining" can pretty much be dismissed out of hand.
Clubs are businesses in the end of the day. They certainly shouldn't be forced to play behind closed doors just because we football is somehow an essential business we can't do without. The concluding line sums up a ****e article -
It really is a solution. Is it the best one? That's why the current discussion phase is happening - to find out what the least bad option here is. That process shouldn't be undermined by vacuous reasoning that clubs should "need to get with the program and stop complaining"Quote:
But simply kicking the can down the road and hoping things are better in September, or even 2021, is not a solution.
I think this article is really poor. More like an unsubstantiated rant than anything else.
He completely ignores the question of financial viability, which is one of the major road blocks. Instead, the article reads as if clubs only have to implement some additional health measures and social distancing and that's it.
Thought the exact same thing. There is also a lack of discussion about the first division, the clubs in it are getting left out of the equation in these arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by sidewayspasser
Subtext: how long more will papers carry sports pages that are mostly op eds, nostalgia pieces and increasingly unlikely gossip? Journalism jobs are vulnerable if sport doesn't come back soon. Could be more than a trace of worry and self-preservation in that piece.
The nostalgia pieces are getting tiresome alright. A reporter wanting something to report on is no shocker. I just find the tone of the piece a bit strong, id be a fan of Owen Cowzers work normally but reckon he has this one wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
It wouldn't be a good sign that Reynolds hasn't had contact with the owner for months. Id be worried about Powers long term commitment.
From https://www.rte.ie/amp/1136883/?__tw...mpression=trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
So is he referring to Tallaght or the Aviva? Is this actually a serious consideration!
Needs to stop talking nonsense and admit the 2020 season is over.
Article also says GAA have ruled out inter-county games until at least October.
The WHO have phoned lilywhites!
They want to offer you the position of Director General since you're the only person in the world that knows how this situation doing will be in a month's time! Clearly you know something nobody else is the world does
I think on the basis of everything we can speculate on anything.
"Needs to stop talking nonsense and admit the 2020 season is over."Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Isn't speculation in any sense of the word
Clearly you think the virus is going to magically disappear. Enjoy the return of the LOI on July 20th.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop