Mmmm I seem to recall TNS winning 4 nil in Europe before
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Mmmm I seem to recall TNS winning 4 nil in Europe before
How did they get the Derry stadium so badly wrong ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The Irish venues - north and south - look pretty sh!t in that montage. When you find your top teams are playing in hovels compared to teams from even Estonia, Macedonia and Montenegro, your national pride takes a beating.
I would say some of that has to be that the club's own ground isn't up to UEFA standards, so they play in the national stadium (Nomme Kalju don't play in the Le Coq Stadium usually, for example)
But we are still very far down the list alright.
A couple of the grounds pulled off that trick of colour patterns across the seats quite nicely...and then you get to the Tallaght Stadium, which is just an eyesore in that regard
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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
I think that could be very difficult R.A.M as there is unlikely to be any smaller teams left going into R3, plus Cork will be unseeded and given you didn’t even score in your first two games (v a strong side albeit), it just shows how tough any game is in Europe. The likes of Burnley, Atalanta, Bestiktas, Seville, Bordeaux all enter in R2. If Dundalk get past Levadia, I’d say we will be only 60/40 favs (poss even less) in advancing, but it will be very tough, and I`m still not taking tomorrow night for granted.
Should we join Cork in R3, we will also be unseeded and could get any of those big teams, I wouldn’t be thinking we could go further than this, if we got there. I`ll repeat a point I made many times on here, in 2016 when we played 12 games in Europe, we were favs to win only one (at home to FH) and still didn’t win it !
FWIW here is the list of possible teams we will be facing in QR3 - with my predictions for who will be in that in Bold. Remember these are the QR2 Champions league ties and the LOSER of these ties will be seeded in ELQR3. Few winnable ties for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Winner of Astana / Sutjeska V Midtjylland
Ludogorets V Videoton
Kukësi v Winner of Olympia Ljubljana / Qarabag
CFR Cluj v Malmö
Dinamo Zagreb v Hapoel Beer Sheva
Red Star Belgrade v Suduva
BATE Borisov v HJK Helsinki
Shkendija v Winner of Torpedo Torpedo Kutaisi / Sheriff Tiraspol
Legia Warsaw v Winner of Spartak Trnava / Zrinjski Mostar
Winner of Alashkert / Celtic v Winner of Valur Reykjavík / Rosenborg
Rosenborg and Mostar as seeds are both 1 down going into tonight and have plenty work to do. They would be replaced by Trnava and Valur in the seeding pot for ELQR3 if of course they end up creating an upset tonight and subsequently losing to Legia and Celtic.
Cork are in a different part of the draw (Champions Path) to Dundalk though, which does make it possible for them to draw beatable opposition because the seeding isn't done on Coefficient it's done on where you drop out of the CL, Cork will be unseeded for the 3rd round but the seeded teams are all the teams that lose in the 2nd Round of the CL which means some beatable teams will be available, teams such as Zrinjski Mostar, FK Kukësi, Shkendija Tetovo and Videoton which are much easier draws than Legia will be seeded unless they cause an upset and win their CL tie.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Dundalk however will have a tougher draw if they make it as there is a much lower percentage of beatable teams and there are several teams that no LOI team would stand a chance against (Sevilla, Burnley, etc.).
Hopefully we both make it and do the league proud regardless of draw anyway!
Yes, fair point, I had forgotten Cork go into the champions path, so although still not seeded, it will make things a little bit easier than say if Dundalk get to that stage.
All will depend on the draw still, look at our potential Rd 2 draw, (Larnaca) we got possibly the highest ranked of the unseeded, just as Cork got probably the highest ranked in Legia, it can go the other way also, in 2016 we got the lowest ranked of the seeded teams in FH.
Still think it will be very difficult for Cork (or Dundalk) in Rd 3, these ‘winnable’ ties are very hard to get past.
that was a horrific cork performance over 2 legs though. why not have a go in the 2nd leg as you had nothing to lose.
Dundalk have to get over tomorrow night first (although I do have confidence in them that they will) and then the next round will be tough before they even think of Round 3. But you see after Round 1, Dundalk will be the only team that will have added points to the co-efficient - we drop to 38 after last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Dundalk getting to the Group stages is almost inconceivable given we have to start from the first qualifying round and will be up against top sides should we advance to the third round.
The main objective for this European campaign is to add co-efficient points with a view to being seeded in the Champions path in future seasons.
The first goal conceded was amateur hour stuff, and it set the tone of the evening. Would McNulty have made that mistake? Maybe not, but the way the defenders left the goal line wide open made me tear my hair out. Teams that face LOI opposition in Europe, not just Cork, generally don't have to work too hard for their goals, as they are gifted to them on a plate usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
About Cork, they did try to vary their propensity for constant long balls for some attempts at intricate passing, especially down the Legia RB's side, but it was all very tame and timid. They HAD to win the game in Turners Cross and missed golden opportunities. Admittedly, Legia was the absolute worst draw they could have got, so I hope the Europa brings them a kinder draw. They have to learn how to finish their chances though. There were very small but possibly positive glimpses that Cork can play a bit if they have some confidence, but the concession of multiple, soft goals was a killer.
I think Caulfield called it a 4 goal thriller in defiance of the critics
I thought Cherrie was the least culpable of three parties for the opener. That was a really superb ball in, which came about because there was no-one within ten yards of the crosser, which is criminal. That was the key error; the defenders not covering better was the second. I thought Cherrie had to go for the ball or yer man could just take it down and score at ease
Also worth noting we could have a team starting in the preliminary round of the Europa League soon - partly because it's so big (14 teams) that the lower leagues are getting coefficient points we don't have access to. I think you could see a fair bit of churn at the bottom end of the rankings if that format remains (and it's a good format I think). Especially if we don't replace the 2.000 next year
I have to agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
After seeing the headlines about Cherrie having a 'mare I was keen to see the goal. After watching it I thought Cherrie was harshly criticised. He didn't cover himself in glory by any means but the midfield were just awful. The whole midfield line was so deep it was criminal. The chap strolled about 20-30 yards up the pitch and the midfield line was still 10 yards deeper at the time he was delivering the ball. The were sitting right on top of their own defence, it was just inviting trouble.
Cherrie is in absolute no mans land though. He ends up a yard or two outside the six yard box. The Legia attacker has no choice but to play it accross the goal. Griffen should have stayed tracking the ball and Cherrie should stay on his line.
Yes there are other errors but his is the main error. Terrible goalkeeping.Attachment 2703
Cherrie is in no mans land due to the players in front of him who weren't doing their jobs.
I'm sorry now but that is ridiculous - there is no need for him to pursue that cross - he leaves himself exposed and the goal completely open - if he stays on his line and the ball is knocked back across he is in a position to make a save ( maybe they score anyway) - by his decision here he took himself completely out of the game. I can't understand why people are defending his decision here. Look at how far out he is!Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Correct, which is why I said in my earlier post I`m not taking tomorrow night for granted, Levadi retained the ball surprisingly well in the first half last week. Should we progress, Larnaca will be very tough match too, I’d say we will be favs but only slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Pity Cork didn’t take their chances v Legia, but I got the impression they held back too much, seemed to waiting too long last night.
Aren't Larnaca the team Cork played last year?? They've imported about 10-15 Spanish lads (a few with La Liga experience) in the last couple of years. I wouldn't have any Irish team as favs against them. They looked a cut above LOI standard when i watched their second leg vs Cork last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Mmmm. I seem to remember Derby County winning 12-0 in Europe before, unlikely to happen again though.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebronze14
Well according to the Cork boys last year they were the greatest team of all time. So I think we will have our work cut out providing we get past Talinn tomorrow evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
you wouldn't of said that if it was St. McNulty. Cherrie was thrown under a bus by the cork defence thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Feel free to revert with an actual opinion on the play rather than a pointless quip.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Stephen Kenny in Euro press conference today.
It's a consistent philosophy whether the opposition are huge clubs with enormous budgets or lower ranked oppositionQuote:
What other clubs do is irrelevant to us . We’re forging our own identity and we don’t feel inferior to anyone and we never will. We'll never go on the pitch and surrender possession and be inferior to anyone. But at the same time we never underestimate anyone either. We understand that we are not at the level that we can underestimate any team in Europe such is the rise in standards through Europe. You have to earn the right to win every game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0ueXpbqgQ
It makes sense. If your talking about how good the opposition are and how much money they have etc that has to get into the players minds even before they step on the pitch. Has to. Now it does not mean if your positive that you will go out and win regardless but at least your giving your players a positive message.
If Legia lose their Q2 tie and drop into the EL, would it be possible for City to get them again in Q3, or would teams that have already played each other be kept apart in the draw?
Rosenborg sneak through with a 94th minute penalty. Were going out on away goals. Geysir won’t be a happy camper.
That was a bizarre game altogether Rosenborg v Valur. The ref awarded 3 penalties, all three "never in a millions years" were penalties, the last of which came in et when Bendtner pushed a defender in the back, as the defender fell forward, the ball hit his hand. As it stood Valur were going through. The goalie got a good hand to the penalty, deflected it onto the crossbar but not enough and it just dropped back down over the line.
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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Random comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Larnaca are far from the best team ever. They are however highly organised and we're tactically spot on against us. They limited us to very few chances. They didn't create a huge amount themselves, but we're clinical with what they did create. They were also incredibly cynical and frustrating that way. They're a decent side and will give Dundalk a good game.
On the goal, Cherrie absolutely screwed up there, I'm not sure Joe you could say any different, whoever was in goal. He admitted it himselves. Felt sorry for him, he made some fantastic saves on the night but ones like that haint you a bit.
Now confirmed the teams we can get in QR3. Draw on Monday to see which tie we get the loser of.
On last night. Great trip and what an incredible atmosphere to experience. Can only imagine what the place is like on a big night.
Caulfield got the tactics spot on last week, but we left it behind us not being clinical. Also that penalty! That was our chance.
But last night, he got the tactics wrong, particularly after conceding the first. Im not upset we lost to a team like Legia but its very frustrating that we gifted them the goals. Wouldn't mind if they carved us open wihh quality but when it's silly mistakes it's annoying. Can't do that at this level.
And we never looked like scoring. We're really struggling to finish at the moment, in all competitions and if we don't get that right soon, we're going to continue struggling.
We badly missed Gearóid Morrisey in midfield last night, and Nults in goal. Although, in fairness to Cherrie he made some fantastic saves.
Bring on the draw for the next round, hopefully we get lucky, and remember how to score!
Larnaca don't feature at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Maybe about this time tomorrow it might be a relevant topic
I was replying to a dundalk fans post above about Larnacas quality. While obviously no one should assume ye'll qualify, I think it's reasonable for plenty of your fans to be confident about it after the first leg. I'm sure yeve got a few with flights booked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I'm one of them! I'm definitely going to be in Larnaca's stadium on the 2nd of August. I just hope my team will be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
I'm sure you understood my point well enough that it did not require you to explain or justify your post - debate on the merits or demerits of AEK Larnaca in 2018 are premature at this point from my perspective
I'd say they'd get close if we were to play again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
I hear you!! :mad: Dundalk and Cork fans with something in common....Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
For the Legia opening goal, Cherrie definitely was poor but I'd be more looking at the midfield, the Legia guy who crossed was almost walking with the ball, at one stage the closest person to him was the ref!
Morrissey was without doubt a big loss for Cork, he's a player I really rate, snapping at your heels and box to box, I'd go as far as saying he's their best player.
Looking forward to our game tomorrow, I don't for one minute think this is a forgone conclusion but I'd be very disappointed if we don't progress. Those boys played some decent stuff in the first half last week, Dundalk need to get the first goal.
There's a gif of the opener here (I might try embed it here as well)
The amount of space the midfielder has is quite incredible.
Edit - embedding not working. Anyone know how to do it?