I'd like to see this team tried out in early 2011 - although its based on an aspiration as opposed to it ever happening, you'll understand.
Given
O'Shea
Dunne
Clarke
Cunningham
McCarthy
Whelan
Duff
Coleman
Doyle
Long
I'd like to see this team tried out in early 2011 - although its based on an aspiration as opposed to it ever happening, you'll understand.
Given
O'Shea
Dunne
Clarke
Cunningham
McCarthy
Whelan
Duff
Coleman
Doyle
Long
Comical ally -> http://www.internetweekly.org/images...ster_oscar.jpg tets im disappointed.
Clark/Coleman/Wilson im not picking one player. Fahey originally.
I meant since fahey basically being in the premiership with birmingham and playing.
The point was Trap saying that Clark is a CB(others as well already suggested), as though he will only consider him for that position, even though he has played 3 games in CM. How does Trap know he can or cant play in Midfield and couldn't do a job for us there? Incidentally thats why i think coleman didnt play last night as he sees him only as a FB, yet he has been excelling at RMF.
I dont have time to work and go through each player im giving one example, but with Trap its been proven that its not just one player. WHen I say "could have picked up points" of course its assumptions, against not just on one player, playing green/kilbane etc which directly cost us points before for example in kilbanes case. OF course its assumptions to assume, the same to assume that we would lost 4 - 0 if it was 11 players from the LOI, but its still credible to assume that would happen i.e. to be completely clear, playing better players over worse players generally guarantees better results.
Swan, so far id prefer to see Clark at CM for us, and Coleman at RMF as thats where they have been playing and doing decent. I cant say what they are like cos i haven't seen them in their preferred positions at youth/reserve/loi(in colemans case, rb but conceding sloppy goals at blackpool only from what ive heard again) level. However i would just like to see them play.
You make some excellent points and I believe you have highlighted the fact that Trap is not working hard enough on this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
As pointed out previously when Trap made the comment, Clark had played one game at CM.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
As pointed out previously he didn't say he couldn't do a job in midfield. Merely that he saw his long-term future for Ireland at CB. You are interpreting this comment in a dementedly literal fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Swan read between the lines based on comments said and what he actually does. Its not that hard and i don't want to sound like a Tw@t saying that.
I honestly think he was only ever going to bring coleman on as RB yesterday, leaving mcgeady in russia, and bringing coleman on for Lawrence in the second half, imho would have been a far better choice. There are many reasons for this not least the healthy competition in place at RB and his lack of experience in this position and mistakes at RMF are not as dangerous as those at FB. Football is simple, tactics are simple. Getting them right might be a little trickier, but any person of average intelligence can see this. Trap comes in for experience/motivation/calmness/reassurance/media management/pressure all the things a good manager (not necessarily just in football) should be, on top of the prerequisites of being able to adapt to situations/tactics/player choices.
Actually, you're right, he did start out as a left sided midfielder, I might have been confusing him with Karl Moore, he went from striker to left midQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Chemical Ali -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_AliQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Who Trapattoni experimented with in the game. Also, Fahey was on the right VS SlovakiaQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Playing on the left wing, he's rarely played for Birmingham in the middle. Someone here made a comment along the lines of "you should try him through the middle, he's unbelieveable" when McLeish said he was delighted with his performances on the leftQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
One example is an exception, multiple examples are proofQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
and I countered it more not just one player that has been played in multiple positionsQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Clark ahead of Whelan/McCarthy/Meyler/Fahey/Gibson? At best he's fourth choice starting centre mid. Even at centre half he's probably fourth behind Dunne/St Ledger/O'Shea. Possibly even behind Duffy.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
That's what we need - "decent"Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I saw him for the U21s twice this year, against Armenia and Estonia. Against Armenia he was terrible, against Estonia he was untroubled.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It was like watching Barcelona!Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
We have read between the lines and seen what he's actually does - and the evidence points out he is actually far more flexible than you're suggesting. Multiple examples have been provided to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Meanwhile you've read between the lines on two uncapped players and come to a wild conclusion based solely on what Trap has said (literally) but flying wildly in the face of what he actually does.
Maybe you should re-examine who's really being stubborn here...
tets i dont get this chemical ally reference. I know who he was(cant remember if he was executed yet), i think you didnt know who comical ally was, the information minister ->http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf who basically kept denying the Allied Forces were anywhere near bagdad when they were literally dropping bombs around his head. I think he might have had a son studying in ireland at one stage actually...
Yes we definitely need decent over poor and even brutal which is what we have been getting from some in midfield. Decent would definitely do for me over some we had in positions originally.
Seriously some need to take off the Trap tinted glasses and forget about he achieved up until about 8 or 9 years ago. I know well if this was any other manager, given the overall results(not just in friendlies)/his stubborness to change tactics/formation, sticking with his same "trusted" players , etc etc they would be seeing this a lot differently.
I actually amn't gunning for his head or anythign like that, but it just riles me how naive/blind some people can be. I think so far he has done an average job, nothing spectacular nothing terrible a bit like stephen kelly. Not decent though ;)
McGeady was awful. Tried to beat every man in front of him every time he had the ball instead of giving the pass that was on. Kept losing possession. He is one of the most frustrating players I've ever seen. He should take a leaf out of Duffer's book who very very rarely loses the ball and gets decent crosses in.
Fahey proved he is a better option than Green and much better at keeping possession even if some f his through balls did not work out.
Walters didn't show me a whole lot but would like to see him get another chance.
Long showed he is full of energy and does not possess the moaning and whinging with hands in the air that Robbie does. Maybe it's the GAA background to play the whistle and keep going no matter what...
Cunningham showed he is the natural successor to Kilbane with an excellent display
I think Joe Murphy could've got a run-out too to be fair
Agree with most the above.
Lessons for the future?
Cunningham for Kilbane, although he doesnt look any great shakes I think he already offers more than KK these days and is a more natural defender though maybe was at fault on the 2nd goal.
O'shea had best game I can remember for us. Given the emergence of Foley and Coleman in the English prem its seems natural for Josh to be moved accross to CB aside Dunne ,then we have at least four fifths of a quality rearguard.
Midfield still pretty poor, but then Norway were just as rotten in the centre of the park so more or less got away with it.
Up front was pleasantly surprised by Long and thought Walters did a good job too. I rate Doyle better but if he cant find his scoring boots at least we have a couple of other options. I was quite surprised we got that pen though as 8 or 9 times out of 10 the refs going to give that decision to the defender rather than the attacker though it probably was a foul.
Norwegians are happy that Drillo can have a restful christmas period.
Drillo reckoned Ireland were better than he had thought - considering the withdrawals and did have Norway at 6s and 7s when McGeady let loose at them in that 15 minute period.
He bemoaned some poor play from Norway, at times major defensive problems, but he excused Santos for allowing Long in on a shot, in that shortly before he had been down for the count after having saved a shot from McGeady with his jewels - to a collective groan from all the compassionate males in the stands.
"Again we scored on set pieces and break. It's a trademark for us" said Drillo.
I don't concur with the praise for Josh at CH. He did not command his area and looked at times to be back to his best Bambi impersonations.
He is better with Dunne, a player who will take decisive control. I think we are up shíts creek, should Dunne be injured again.
Spot on Geysir.
To be fair I don't rate O'Shea at centre back anyway. Too timid and prone to lapses in concentration. St Ledger/Dunne works fine and for me is our best CB pairing. O'Shea wouldn't be getting in my time just because he plays for Man Utd.....if Cunningham and Foley can nail down places in the team then I would leave out O'Shea.
O'Dea on last nights evidence isn't good enough as back up so hopefully we will get to see Clark tried out there next year.
To say that Fahey plays left midfield for Birmingham is a bit misleading. He plays on the left side of a very tight midfield threesome. He is right footed and often comes inside onto his right to look for a pass, ending up quite centrally. Barry Ferguson is the Centre mid man there @ Birmingham. No doubt about that but Fahey is not playing a wingers role, or anything of the sort. He is keeping some good players out of that team too...Michel, Hleb, Bowyer, etc. Impressive stuff by Fahey
Clearly, I do know who he is. Did you click this link?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Comical Ali and Chemical Ali are not the same person. Not sure if ye are aware of this already, but it's of paramount importance to the Norway friendly.
The game seems to be here, I'm downloading the first half right now, in fact it has just finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Seems reasonable quality considering the file size is less then 600mb in total.
http://www.asiaplatetv.com/forum/vie...php?f=8&t=2473
And don't forget to leave your thanks to the user who took the time to upload it.
No, feel free to, that guy seems to have stolen it without giving credit from wigan88 who posted it at MaxxedQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Posting a link ain't stealing, it's not even resting in his account.
Pirates are a sensitive lot.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Given that it was a totally new back four, and he was partnered by our weakest link on the night, I thought JOSH had a very good game and was our best defensive player on the night. Did you not notice that it was JOSH's harrying and pass that set up the penalty? It was JOSH that was made himself available for balls off the full backs and from our central midfielders. Look at how commanding and decisive JOSH was in those situations in comparison to O'Dea who simply didn't want the ball at his feet. It was the smart balls played by JOSH that were the reason behind our dominance in the first 20 minutes of so of the game, until Norway were forced to change their gameplan to counteract his influence (all of our best chances in that period of play were set in motion by JOSH). Yes he did play a few sloppy balls on occasion but I'd take more positive from the fact that he was willing to be creative on the ball rather than be negative when those balls don't work out. We're used to our centre halves launching aimless long balls out of defence so I wouldn't be critical of a player that tries to be constructive with those balls.
How many typed "JOSH"s was it before you creamed yerself?! I'm guessing it was the one just before "Yes he did play a few sloppy balls"
I notice you did believe mcgeady played well too though. So your point about guys getting on the ball whether or not it works out is consistent. I can see the point, but I'm not sure if I'd completely agree.
Are you trying to harry me paul_oshea?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I saw signs of improvement but still believe he takes too much out of the ball and I wouldn't start him in a competitive international.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yes. I'd encourage players to get on the ball and use it constructively. McGeady does like to get on the ball but he does not necessarily use the ball constructively.
Yep, Josh was more than decent at times with his distribution and certainly played a big part in our goal. One could be cruel and say that was offset by his wasteful long punt which played a part in conceding the late goal but I will ignore that as well as ignore when conceding late goals against the Czechs, Italians - Josh was there giving the ball away. I am mainly looking at his role as the senior CH with a rookie like O'Dea. In the few incidents that did occur around the penalty area, he was not commanding. See how he tried to weakly block Huseklepp twice in the first half as if he was afraid to get hit by the ball. Against the few counter attacks he looked at sea. The main CH should be a force of gravity for the ball. It's not that he played badly but he does not impose himself as the main man and lead the back 4 line. St Ledger does not have Josh's ability but at least he is gritty and decisive under pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Fair enough comments there, but the old Irish self-loathing pops up in the "what the ref deemed a penalty" comment. It was a nailed on, slam-dunk penalty, albeit an unnecessary one. Why do we have to be so apologetic about being awarded a penalty?
Anybody else think that O'Shea should be used as a holding midfielder. When used there this season at Utd, and on Wednesday night, his ability to attack quickly is impressive. He unnerved the Norwegian defence and set up Long leading to the penalty. With his defensive skills he could help galvanise the defence and hopefully stop the sloppy goals we continue to concede. Kelly can then cover at right back.
4-1-4-1? I think he could do it, but I like him as a CB with Dunne and think Wilson is probably the best man to be that "1".
I thought JOS was fine on Weds, given the context. Other Man U players wouldn't have even made the trip in times gone past. In a proper competitive game he comes to the fore. He made a great goal saving header in Slovakia for example.
Any time I've seen him play midfield for club or country I've come away on the wrong side of impressed. Probably best to leave well alone in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Bumping thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhxYhLqqK1I
Closed thread.