Never really has been. No point changing policy now I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne
Never really has been. No point changing policy now I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne
So they're going to sell Dalymount again?! That worked a treat before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I'd be surprised to see Bohs around this time next year to be honest.
In your case I'd imagine it might be disappointment rather than surprise...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
So they've missed the deadline to apply for a license.
They haven't reached an agreement with players for next year, and they haven't paid players their bonuses from 2010.
Of the 300k they needed, they've raised 100k (which in fairness is a great effort).
Oh and their big idea for raising money is to impose a levy on existing members. The same people who've contributed 100k in the last month. I'd imagine that anyone who could give Bohs money has at this stage, how do they think a levy will work? if people haven't got it, they'll just not renew their membership. Bizarre idea
When do we find out what happens to them? When is the next big deadline? Looks very dodgy for them at this stage.
Desperation really. Running out of options. There's not much more they can really do at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
With all the shenanigans going on and the deadline missed I can't see the FAI could even consider letting them into Europe next summer. Clubs have to realise that bad behaviour will be punished!
Saints for Europe! :cool:
Well, yeah, thats my interest
It all depends on the license though. if they get a premier license (which they haven't applied for yet ;) ) they'll get a euro one.
With situations like this and 16 clubs not likely being able to hold a Premier licence without more fudging, it's hard to see how a 16 team Premier could come in at this time.
I hope Boh's get their problems sorted. Fenlon should be embarrassed that this is the second time he has been a manager of a club in this position.
It's incredible that the Bohs management, board and fans on here seem to genuinely think that re-signing the likes of last year's squad should even be on the table at this stage. Fenlon is unbelieveable.
Is the thinking genuinely that they can rack up more debt next year by re-signing those players on lesser terms than they were on last year, all so they can compete in the "lucrative" Europa League, and potentially win big with a Rovers-Juve style clash? Why else would signing a 33 year old Jason Byrne on any sort of deal even cross their mind when the existence of their club is in jeopardy. It's like an entire club full of Tom Coughlan's.
So Bohs unecessarily put a press release out on Monday night saying they hoped to be in a position to submit their licence application yesterday. Someone must have also unecessarily briefed the press that Fenlon hoped to sign some of the players released on part time contracts next season. It subsequently turns out that they were not in a position to submit their application yesterday as agreement had not been reached with the players, thus making their press release on Monday night look foolish in the extreme. Had they not made that statement, it is likely the story wouldn't have got half as much attention as it is now. You have to ask the questiuon, when is the stupidity at Bohs going to stop?
Not necessarily at all. Several current first division teams have a premier licence. It depends on what clubs are missing out on, and even if first division clubs bothered applying for a premier licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
From the outside looking in from what I've read, a lot is being asked of the Boh's fans. For giving over money like that, there'd want to be firm re-assurances that there will not be a repeat. Are those who led the club to this financial crisis being held accountable in any way?
Those who led the club were voted in by the members. If they want to get rid of them, they simply vote them off the boardQuote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Doesn't look like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
A friend of mine helped out at the Glenville v Bohs game and told me the guest list submitted by Bohs was littered with well known names who were supposedly gone from the committee but still getting the VIP treatment from the club it seems!
please point out the posts from Bohs "fans on here" that lead you to post that rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
From the previous page:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
The talk of re-signing established, previous league winning players just seems madness when you think the focus would be on being able to put out a team featuring any senior experience whatsoever. The fact that Bohs fans don't seem to be up in arms about the club seeking to rip up deals with their first team squad, but not their first team manager, as if they'll need Fenlon's (expensive) tactical nous next year in a bid to finish as high up the table as possible also seems strange to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Why not include Fenlon's deal in those being paid off if you plan on doing anything more than survive/keep your head above water, investing in a highly paid coach who has only ever worked with full time professional teams with a large budget makes it seem like Bohs have completely missed the point.
oh okay - one poster - i thought you said "fans on here".
I could make a lot of incorrect general assumptions about all the fans of any clubs based on the opinions of any single poster "on here".
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Originally Posted by SkStu
Seems it's your fans who are on the board are the ones briefing the press about Fenlon re-signing some of this years squad on a part time basis next year.
i have fans?
seriously, what the f has that got to do with anything i posted?
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Originally Posted by SkStu
Just pointing out this story was fed to the press by someone from Bohs, it didn't just appear out of nowhere.
thats hardly the revelation you seem to think it is.
Firstly i never mentioned Pat Fenlon or his contract so wrong about that point (although you will be pleased to know ALL costs at Dalymount are under review), secondly I simply pointed out that it was the contract/cost of the players not the players themselves that were the reason why Bohs were seeking to terminate contracts. Even to you it must be obvious that signing established players is preferable if the deal is right for the club ? (which obviously means within whatever playing budget we have for next season) i expect the same applies to all clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Nobody suggested signing players which exceed the (limited) budget we will have next year but would expect whoever the manager is to try and get the best value for whatever the budget is. there, that simple enough for you ?
Super stuff yet again from the FAI.
Deadlines pass and more are set.
Get ready for another Cork City mess that will drag on well into 2011.
Appeals, extensions, meetings cancelled due to snow ....
Most of the 100K raised to date probably comes from membership fees and season tickets?
Shels were demoted for late payment to players. These guys are ripping up contracts!
My theory is that the FAI probably don't want any blame in the selling/loss of Dalymount Park. Taking Bohs European money and Premier Division gates from them certainly puts them in a position that they can't pay their way through the problem (maybe they cant anyway).
My hope would be that the FAI pay for part or majority ownership of Dalymount.
It saves Bohs and it saves Dalymount. As much as I hate the place being a Shels fan, it is a ground with massive history.
Rent it back to Bohs...
I don't know where the FAI would get the money to do that though, much as I love the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
A few million to save a ground with massive history?
Surely they can get a loan and build the interest payments into the amount they offer Bohs. Bohs then pay rent too. They can also get a second team to pay rent (NOT Shels please!)...
After the deal they can demote Bohs for failure to get below 65% or whatever they make up.
But to act on Bohs and put them in a position where Dalymount goes for peanuts to some builder makes no sense.
Bohs messed up but the FAI should be there to help Irish football.
The loss of Bohs and Dalymount makes no sense.
No way. If they couldn't help cobh in the manner you suggested (btw they suggested at the time that the FAI buy St. Colmans Pk), why should they do this for bohs because of their so called history and for sentiment of dalymount.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Makes no sense for whom? Bohemians were going to have Dalymount demolished anyway - if the ground meant anything to the FAI they'd have bought it from them when they were pimping it to every developer. Buying it now would just leave them with a rundown stadium they can't afford.
The FAI were never going to compete with the 50m for Dalymount nonsense. However now that it is going on the cheap I think it is worth a look.
It saves Bohs too.
I might hate Bohs as a Shels fan but the FAI should be doing what is best for Irish football.
A league without Bohs and Dalymount doesn't seem the best option in all of this?
Hardly helps Irish football does it.
Best for me would be for them to save Dalymount Park and punish Bohs.
Hang on, it was Bohs themselves who first came up with the idea of a LoI without Dalymount
agreed. I dont want Bohs to be bailed out by Abbotstown. I want us to find our own way out of this if possible and onto a sustainable, stable foundation by whatever means we can. Might sound impossible but there you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
I don't think the idea is that Bohs stay there, more that the FAI buy it rather than Bohs being forced to sell it for next to nothing. Bohs are helped with a move, and the FAI have a property worth more than they paid for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Edit: higgins' idea does have Bohs staying there alright.
Why don't Dublin City Council buy it and rent it to Bohs?
Why would anyone buy it? It's a small stadium built on land that would be far more usefully used for commercial property. Even in the current market it would be ridiculously overvalued as a football stadium. Bohs made the right decision to sell it - it was just their own greed and incompetence that prevented them from getting the job done.
Just like Kilcoyne?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Hey, now I'm no fan of Bohs but comparing them to the Kilcoynes is just mean...
Milltown was a bit before my time but I suppose you could say it's the logical antecedent to the Dalymount deal in some respects. The country was a vastly different place back then and Phibsboro is a far more compact place than Milltown but in both cases the owners realised they were sitting on something that probably had more sentimental purpose than actual purpose. The problem with the Kilcoynes is they tried to do the move on the cheap rather than trying to fleece a ruthless businessman like Bohs did.
Sure what's a few million in the current times? It's not as if the FAI have large debts, poor ticket sales, falling attendances and a slim chance of qualifying for a major competition in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Though on that topic, didn't the FAI buy Dalymount off Bohs before?
They did indeed Stu (well recalled), back in the 80's. fortunately we have a long standing policy of selling the ground more than once. Unfortunately your other points RE the FAI having bugger all money and a huge financial commitment to Lansdowne Rd are the major blockages.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If the FAI take Dalymount off Bohs hands, get a name deal for it, and bring in Sporting Fingal from the cold of Morton, then surely there is a workable solution. I don't want Bohs or any other club to go under, no matter what the rivalries, and more importantly, because it could be my club next. This is a situation where the FAI can lay down a marker (forgive the Kidney speak) and really bring the LOI forward. However it does bring up deeper questions about wages and full time football, especially with the current financial constraints.
is everyone forgetting the FAI can't pay for the half a stadium they actually do own at the minute? There's absolutely no chance they'll be making any capital expenditure. Likewise Dublin City Council. Their budget is about to be slashed. They've no room for sentiment. A sentiment that Bohs themselves had no problem in dismissing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika