Actually I think FIFA were thinking more about Germany when they decided to seed the playoffs. The Germans were still in real danger at that time of finishing 2nd before they managed to win in Moscow.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Actually I think FIFA were thinking more about Germany when they decided to seed the playoffs. The Germans were still in real danger at that time of finishing 2nd before they managed to win in Moscow.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
There shouldnt be a replay, its done and dusted. It happens in different degrees every weekend in leagues all over the world. Maybe it will be the final call for Fifa to bring in video evidence. Next thing that idiot Cowen will be jumping on the bandwagon calling for the match to be played again.
I think its interesting that the world is taking note and FIFA's rep is tarnished as a result of the rigged draw that did not gain as much attention as it should have originally.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
I'm proud that Keane had the balls to say something.
Hopefully something good will come of this.
I'm as gutted as the next guy on here, twice as gutted probably, believe me. But I wouldn't be crazy about this replay. It's all a bit cringey with D Ahern on SSN and all they whinging. We were cheated. But I don't know if you can go back. Open's too much of a can of worms.
For me last nights injustice highlights other issues, the root issues, that need to be sorted out.
1.Video technology for penalty box incidents.
2. FIFA's favouring of the big nations from seeding and the co-efficient system that ensures the strong stay strong through to suspicions within the game of fixing/rigging.
I wish we'd just let it go.
We got shafted, but we, through the FAI, signed up to the rules of the game as they stand.
Whether the rules change going forward is a question for another day.
cant ban him for that, he never "actually" said they fixed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by centre mid
Sky apparently did one of their virtual reality things on the goal and the linesman had a perfect view of Henry with nobody blocking his view.
C'est la vie.
Not really.. The ball would have gone out on his (admittedly poor) attempt to sheppard it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Ah don't be saying things like that to me!!!!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7
Ireland being f**ked over by Fifa to allow the French to qualify for the World Cup.
This is so 1981.
Dermot Ahern should STFU. Got nothing to do with him and is just shameless grandstanding on his part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
A replay is the best option as it would be the justice we deserve after last night and i'm sure the French would'nt mind playing a replay as they would like to qualify fairly for the world cup
What FIFA need to do now is to give Alan Kelly France's first group game to referee.
...and because they will beat us!!! :)
I primarily think the most overwhelming thing is that yet another little bit of football has died. Its becoming a sport and way of life that is vastly unrecognisable to the reason why we we fell in love with it in the first place. First, FIFA and the seeding, and the bullish attitudes of messrs Blatter and Platini in having the 'big' teams there purely for revenue purposes have exhibited what the game is really about in this day and age. And then this blatant cheating from one of the games 'greats' and the incredibly poor refereeing at yet another crucial moment. For me, the great World Cup stories are about underdogs breaking through the ranks, playing above themselves, showcasing unrivalled displays of passion, heroism, pluckiness and a willingness to shed anything for the shirt. Of course, our own experience in Italia 90 springs to mind, but there are so many other examples. But now, this is seemingly viewed with disdain. Instead of allowing true unsung and bona fide heroes such as Richard Dunne, and a team who can perform as heroically and brilliantly as Ireland did last night, they want a team who has no desire, character, passion or attitude to prevail. A team that contains cheats such as Henry and Anelka, and despicable prima donnas such as Lassana Diarra(a disgrace to the game)
I'm quite simply heartbroken and dejected over all of this. Dastardly cunningness is more accepted and "de rigeur" than bina fide heroism, passion and tears for your jersey and no holds barred patriotism. If thats what it takes to beat the genuine heroes, and that is what is now deemed acceptable, then I am filled with pity and disillusion. Its a far cry from the halcyon days of the eighties and nineties. The beautiful game is definitively no more.
Oh and Jebus, get the boat. Your wind up antics aren't fooling anybody, or else its just an outrageously moronic view that no one is interested in.
Eh?? Explain....Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
It'd be like the FAI to seek a Fudge alright!
I'm not sure about replaying the game but I'm really convinced that a video referee should be brought in for penalties and dubious goal decisions. It would have taken 10 seconds for the decision to be made. If FIFA decided to bring in a video referee because of this fiasco I'll be happy. I think thats what the FAI should be pushing for.
I just don't think a replay is a remedy for this kind of scenario. Imagine if this had happened in WC knock out match, the game could not be replayed.
The injustice should be remedied on the night.
Nothing is going to be done about this. Stop the magical thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by markmc
Can I borrow your crystal ball some time? It might come in handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
Unfortunatly this is clutching at straws. We wont get a replay for this. The rules are there for all to see. Its absolutly horrible that we were knocked out like this but we will just have to live with it.
So every time video evidence shows a referee mistake, there will be a replay?! WOULD YOU ALL GROW UP AND STOP ACTING LIKE THE ENGLISH FFS!!!
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Originally Posted by red bellied
I agree. There shouldn't be a replay. Whats done is done. You just cannot go around changing the results of matches.If they give in to this, what's to stop them replaying matches where an offside goal proves to be a winner? where's the differance?If we get one though, I'll take it!!
That said, I still feel Henry is a cheating, cowardly little runt.
You should be careful what you ask for.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheao
A ninety minute replay means Rep. of Irl starting one-nil down on aggregate, cancelling out Robbie Keane's record goal and the match will be held in a neutral arena like Monaco.
Me I'd love a replay. Record number of games played by a UEFA member in a FIFA World Cup qualifying tournament. (France would have their hand on the record too of course).
Looks like Dermot Ahern (taking a well earned break from drafting blasphemy laws) decided to go for a populist call for the FAI to demand a replay and the FAI, probably with an eye on future relations with those with their hands on the purse strings, have lobbed in a complaint to stay onside with them. It's going nowhere though. Right or wrong, the ref's decision is final. The laws can't be changed retrospectively.
I have lost faith in football....
There will be no replay. The game is finished, Henry cheated and France are still going to the World cup.
lads, re robbie's comments and the seeding, did they definitely change the rules here? Some guy from FIFA on radio this morning saying that the seeding was decided upon in 2007 for the play-offs in this qualifying competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenilgameover
Anybody confirm for me?
thanks
Screw the new body, bring the UN in to manage it! UNHCR on video, players to wear blue helmets at all times (health & safety).Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
It's a minor enough point amongst all this handball/replay talk but Trap mentioned something I've been on about for a while. The playing of extra time when level at the end of a two legged tie. So 30mins more home advantage for one side. This needs to be changed. Two 90 minutes. Then a replay or straight to peno's.
Nah!! There's something up there cos Blatter himself only said something recently on the matter saying he should have cited the ruling earlier, or something to that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
does it not make sense to have seeds given preference in a playoff? they battled their way to get to that position and if we had been better in the past we might have been first seeds.
While we're at it, we can replay the Ireland v Georgia game. Remember the penalty?
Bad decisions happen in football, some for you, some against you. There won't be a replay, get over it.
thanks DrQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Thats a fair point but I think the greivence is that FIFA seemingly only decided that was the dase when it was becoming clear that Germany, France, Russia & Portugal were in danger of not qualifying so therefore moveing the goal posts to suit them.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
If we let the thing go then the rules won't change in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Seeds are seeded before the draw for the groups. If they haven't been good enough to live up to their seeding and end up in the playoffs I don't think they should gain the benefit of being seeded again.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
That said nobody would have minded a jot if FIFA had made the rules clear before qualifiying rather than making it up as they went along.
It keeps the strong strong. I hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Delaney doing alright here on SSN!
as I said, I don't think we should look for a replay. However, we should go to the ends of the earth to ensure Henry gets a sizeable ban for what he did. I'm angry enough that he handled, but to claim afterwards it was unintentional is an insult to our intelligance. A very cowardly thing to do, because he knows he'll probably get a ban if he admits it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic