Yes, and Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Zinedine Zidane and Pavel Nedved put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
What point are you trying to make exactly?
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Yes, and Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Zinedine Zidane and Pavel Nedved put together.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
What point are you trying to make exactly?
Ian Harte has more international goals than Paolo Maldini.
A lazy, greedy, apathetic, unambitious flash harry who is lucky to have his name spoken in the same breath as genuine legends such as Steve Finnan and Kevin Doyle.
Should Robbie ever develop a sentient boil on his @ss, that's the level of critique and intimate personal insight I imagine it would level at him.
God forbid that Irish fans might have an elevated esteem of our best ever goalscorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
though i know the point you are making SF, its not "elevated" at all. Its thoroughly deserved.
Strikers are judged on the currency of goals scored. For brine3 to compare him to Zidane and other such luminaries is absurd and illogical. Some of the best players in the world havent scored as many goals as some of the best strikers in the world but we are not claiming RK as one of the best players in the world but simply one of the most prolific, the most prolific in the British Isles and Irelands greatest ever scorer.
Ridiculous the amount of unwarranted abuse and the lack of respect our greatest ever scorer and greatest current player gets. He is a legend.
Greatest current player? Now that is elevating things.
great argument. Up there with comparing Robbie Keane with Zinedine Zidane.
Well as a club/franchise they began as the NY/NJ Metrostars for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
They're hardly the first NY named sportsteam to be based in NJ.
If you had been following it was because somebody was going on about how Robbie Keane had scored more international goals than Bobby Charlton, who, like Zidane, is not an out an out striker.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
But if we want to compare only out and out strikers, Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Van Basten, Van Nistelrooy, Klinsmann, Raul, I could go on. But obviously not as many goals as the prolific Ali Daei, who must be the greatest striker in the history of international football by your reckoning.
20 of Robbie Keane's goals were scored in friendly matches. Another 9 came against Malta, San Marino and Cyprus. That means of the 51 goals, 22 were scored against decent opposition on meaningful matches. In a 14 year career. It's what you'd expect from any half decent striker who always gets picked for his country because there is no competition for his place.
I still think that Stapleton is Ireland's greatest ever all-round striker. He worked his arse off for the team.
And as for greatest current player, I'd say that Robbie Keane comes in fourth after Given, Duff and Dunne. But there's no shame in that. They are top players.
why the need to create a sub-category?Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
whats your rationale for that? None of them have come close to reaching Keanes level of achievements except Given. And even at that i dont think Given has saved us as many games as Keane has won us.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
And your qualification of Keanes goals is a red herring. Why dont you do the same with every other striker? Goals are goals.
You're joking, Given has been an absolute rock for Ireland. He has saved us loads of points.
The question was - has Given saved us more points than Keane has won?Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
i have to go. Read what i said again.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
You must know you're struggling to make a decent argument when you take Keane's "meaningless" goals away (including against Cyprus- the very same team that spanked us 5-2) and he still has more than any other Irish striker ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
I think brine3 is struggling hard, Mammy and Daddy think he's safely tucked up in bed, yet he's sitting down in the play room with the family laptop wumming. Cannot see any sensible argument against acknowledging RK as a good striker who has served our country well. Full stop.
It's some sort of measure of his achievement and ability for his position. Why bother keeping such a record at all? And as boovidge so appropriately points out, even if you are to exclude what you perceive to be his "meaningless" goals, he'd still be a goal ahead of our next highest ever scorer Niall Quinn. That's just an indication of how way ahead of the rest he is. Robbie's job is to score goals for us, and on that basis, he's outdone himself, be it in friendlies, "banana skins" or big games. His commitment is beyond question. He's an Irish legend just as Ali Daei is so rightly and obviously an Iranian legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
The patronizing tone that the hacks on the radio are taking re Robbie is quite something. It's starting to get beyond a joke.
I had to turn of Today FM earlier because of it.
What is the purpose of this?Quote:
I think brine3 is struggling hard, Mammy and Daddy think he's safely tucked up in bed, yet he's sitting down in the play room with the family laptop wumming.
I never said otherwise. A good striker who has served our country well. That's about it. But I'll always think of what he could have been if he had the brains to match his god given talent.Quote:
Cannot see any sensible argument against acknowledging RK as a good striker who has served our country well. Full stop.
Robbie starts for LA tonight. game starts in 45 minutes (3.30am Irish time)
From Twitter: “@galaxyprez: Josh, frankie, omar, gregg, todd, sean, david, juninho, landon, robbie, adam is the starting lineup. * Go Galaxy. *Big win needed tonight!!”
Link to the game if anyone's still up.
Here.
"Nodded down, a one-bouncer!"
God I've missed you, MLS.
Not for the first time he scores on his debut. Had a small wager at 10/3 on bet365.com. 1-0 Galaxy
1-0 Robbie, from a Beckham hoofball. Goalkeeper did a Gary Rogers and Keane just let the ball run past and slotted home.
"Keane's preferred left foot"...Time for the mute button. Ha! Then he scores...with his left foot. These Yanks know their ball!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
The goal should be available here
http://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter...?videoID=18424
Update: Robbie subbed off to a standing ovation after 71 minutes. Not surprising seeing as he only arrived in LA about 36 hours ago.
I'm not sure what Robbie is out to prove scoring goals like that. Just look at the pitiful offside "trap". Just because he can score goals against semi-professionals does not mean he's a world class striker.
Who said it does?
Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer strikes again.
First they whinge he can't score goals. Then he scores goals, but the opposition are crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
It's his job to score goals, so it's not a surprise he's scoring already.
Going center on prime ticket can really cut a defence open.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
I can't wait until he scores a chipper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXauYVy_dws
Beckham was right, he is a great addition to the roster.
How'd David do around the midfield stripe?
He looked best in the redzone I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
That's the sort of celebration that will go down well.
Pretty rotten defending but hey, the striker still has to have the guile & nerve to finish it off. Not bad for a jet-lagged player.
However, I find this thread consistently depressing that yet another Keane for Ireland seems to create either overzealous defence, or flippant dismissal of the player. God forbid we have a reasoned discussion about whether Keane's club career has been quite as stellar as his International one, or if he ever really matured as a player. No no; much easier to throw around cheap insults and dismissals instead.
From 2 posters though. Very clear that the majority of foot.ie welcomes this move and are pro-Keane.
Uhm, not all of us do though, we're just afraid of getting given off to by the sometimes rabid majority :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I think the person who's been subject to most abuse here has been Robbie Keane. I'd welcome a reasoned debate but when posters start off by calling Keane a waster, a money-grabber or various other names (often based on what they've seen in the papers rather than on any evidence) then it becomes very difficult to have a reasoned discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
Was away all week so not commented till now. I've always been very pro Keane, I think he was shafted at Liverpool but should have stuck it out when you look at the amount of game time the likes of N'Gogg woulnd up getting after he left. It was the easy option going back to Spurs but I didn't blame him for it although at the time I thought it was a bad move given 'Arry's boner for Defoe, had Defoe not been injured at the time I doubt the move would have happened. That was how it turned out but like I say I wouldn't criticise Robbie for it, he'd seen Defoe off once already and had the belief he could do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
But I have to admit I'm disgusted with him over this move, he's far too good for the MLS and could have had another couple of years in the EPL had he reduced his wage demands, this move is all about money. I'd have liked to see him around for another campaign after this one and think he would have been able for it. I'd have loved to see him play another World Cup for us. But I doubt that will happen now, it would actually be an insult to Long if he keeps on playing as well as he is in the EPL and he isn't ahead of Keane in the pecking order come the WC qualifiers. I just don't see playing in MLS being conducive to him retaining the sharpness he'd need to play international football till he's 34 and I think that's a shame. Had this move come in 2 years time I'd have said fair enough but not now. That said, he'll score for fun over there but the standard is awful as can be seen by the defending for his goal last night....
What defending? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er