Ian Harte

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30/05/2006, 3:31 AM
theworm2345

Dont forget to mention that, with 11 goals, he is our 2nd highest active scorer.
30/05/2006, 8:22 AM
Over the post

I too feel his commitment and danger from set pieces outweigh any defensive frailty. For me, it's between himself and Killer at left back.
30/05/2006, 8:41 AM
Roo69

Man City apparently offering him a 3 year deal ?
30/05/2006, 9:08 AM
as_i_say

source plz?
30/05/2006, 9:19 AM
tetsujin1979

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo69

Man City apparently offering him a 3 year deal ?

Quite possible, the only recognised left fulls in the squad are Ben Thatcher and Stephen Jordan. Thatcher is rank and Jordan is still too young to command a first team place, and there's very little in the way of cover if either gets injured.
30/05/2006, 9:55 AM
Roo69

heard it on today fm this morning driving into work
30/05/2006, 10:27 AM
as_i_say

ah. must be true so! would be a good move for him. agree he is our best option at lb, always gives 100%, i'd fear that john o shi te would get in ahead of him though...
30/05/2006, 10:45 AM
Roo69

[QUOTE=as_i_say]ah. must be true so![QUOTE]

Hence my question mark.
30/05/2006, 10:35 PM
Closed Account 2

Harte is a good player, always gives his best, and good from set plays.

If every player in the team was as committed as Ian then we really would be a force.
31/05/2006, 9:38 PM
dr_peepee

Harte's merits and vices are apparent but if you've a pacey astute centre centre half pairing (Like leeds during their run a few years ago) there's enough there to play to his strengths..

When you consider his poor runs, you have to look at who's playing beside him. As good as Breen and Stan were in Japan Korea, they weren't gonna be able to carry him. And playing beside Ferdinand, Woodgate, Radebe is a world of difference from Roque Junior, Didier Domi, Matteo.

It's sad to say but to get the best from Harte you have to carry him to an extent. But that'll be difficult until we get someone to cement his place beside Dunne.
01/06/2006, 7:39 AM
Stuttgart88

Kilbane carried him too, to an extent. I lost count of the number of times Kilbane was last man back to make a tackle on Harte's side.

However, I think it's a bit unfair to judge Harte purely on his WC02 performances as he was injured throughout, with a nerve problem in his foot.

I'd like to see Kilbane LB against Holland and Harte is a useful weapon from the bench (for us, not the oposition :)) with his ball striking ability.

Don't we have anybody coming through in that position? What a disappointment Clive Clarke's season has been.
02/06/2006, 12:08 AM
dr_peepee

Think Marcos Painter is a left full. Birmingham going down maybe a a blessing in disguise and expose him to more first team football than if they'd have stayed up.
02/06/2006, 12:42 AM
tricky_colour

I notice sometimes Harte 'balloons' his free kicks, you rarely see Beckham
(for example) doing this. Is this down to technique and practice?
He still has a good strike rate though, but it seems to be a case of all or
nothing whereas Beckham seems to be more consistant in getting close
at least, but not necessarilly scoring.
02/06/2006, 7:12 AM
CollegeTillIDie

Hartey is a poor defender. He has suffered relegation in 2 of his last 3 seasons. He is an excellent player going forward, he crosses well and is good from dead ball situations. I'd use him at left wing if at all for Ireland. Kilbane is a better defender , in spite of being by nature a windy winger. Hartey is thinking of leaving Spain because he is homesick, which logically should be good news for Dundalk F.C. ,Drogheda United or Monaghan United. However he is homesick for England which is a foreign country!
02/06/2006, 8:44 AM
ColinR

why shouldn't he be homesick for england :rolleyes: - it's been his home his entire adult life, and well since he left drogheda at 15 or 16, considering he is 27 or 28 now, i think he is entitled to call england 'home'
02/06/2006, 12:41 PM
Stuttgart88

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

I notice sometimes Harte 'balloons' his free kicks, you rarely see Beckham
(for example) doing this. Is this down to technique and practice?
He still has a good strike rate though, but it seems to be a case of all or
nothing whereas Beckham seems to be more consistant in getting close
at least, but not necessarilly scoring.

Remember the famous "Beckham game" against Greece? He took about 8 frees from the same place and only scored with the last one (after Sheringham's dive).

An hour later, after 90 seconds of play only, Harte got a free from the same place against Cyprus, Result? Goal, with first attempt!
02/06/2006, 12:50 PM
pineapple stu

Not to forget his first competitive game since being dropped from the squad for a long time last summer. Five minutes into the Israel game - free kick, goal.

Hartey's free-kicks are normally very good. Just a shame about the rest of his play...
02/06/2006, 1:16 PM
geysir

Quote:

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not to forget his first competitive game since being dropped from the squad for a long time last summer. Five minutes into the Israel game - free kick, goal.

Hartey's free-kicks are normally very good. Just a shame about the rest of his play...

I also liked his corner kicks in the Chile game, high with the sudden dip into the danger area. Better than Duff's skimmers.
02/06/2006, 3:15 PM
as_i_say

so we're all in agreement then-he's great and should start at lb??!
02/06/2006, 11:07 PM
tetsujin1979

He was practising free kicks during half time against Chile and skied every one of them, and did the exact same with every free kick he took in the second half
03/06/2006, 2:08 PM
princeofoslo

hart a winger? his slowness has caught him out as a full back how, the hell can he play on the wing.
03/06/2006, 6:27 PM
livehead1

you done need speed to play on the wing at all. its all about receiving the ball and putting in a good delivery, his defensive weakness is less likely to be expoloited, therefore its possible he can play there.
03/06/2006, 7:00 PM
Fergie's Son

The problem is, he doesn't have the pace to beat a man which is an important trait for a winger. His passing isn't good enough nor is his tackling to put him in the middle of the pitch.

What about CB a la the WC?
03/06/2006, 7:37 PM
Irish_Praha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

What about CB a la the WC?

:eek: he would need to learn how to defend first:D
03/06/2006, 8:02 PM
CollegeTillIDie

Quote:

Originally Posted by livehead1

you done need speed to play on the wing at all. its all about receiving the ball and putting in a good delivery, his defensive weakness is less likely to be expoloited, therefore its possible he can play there.

Livehead1 that was my point thanks for reinforcing it!:cool:
03/06/2006, 9:14 PM
Stuttgart88

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Think Marcos Painter is a left full. Birmingham going down maybe a a blessing in disguise and expose him to more first team football than if they'd have stayed up.

agree about birmingham's relegation and also your previous point about astute centre backs. But isn't Painter a natural centre-back, plyed out of position by both Givens & Bruce? He played centre-back (with Alex Bruce) against Reading on TV in the FA Cup and was awarded MOTM.
03/06/2006, 9:21 PM
CraftyToePoke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Don't we have anybody coming through in that position?

Sheehan at leicester is a l.b. the only recognised one at the club at present but despite doing enough to earn a contract extention last season, he only managed 4 appearences when he had set a target of 10 for himself, this coming season will tell us a lot more about him, and the clubs activity in the transfer market re that position will tell us a lot more of what they reckon to him also, captain of the reserves though, and a dead ball expert.
03/06/2006, 9:30 PM
joema

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

The problem is, he doesn't have the pace to beat a man which is an important trait for a winger.
What about CB a la the WC?

Either does David Beckham and he does alright on the wing. Harte is crap - cnat defend to save his life, got no footballing brain and no pace - total liability IMO
03/06/2006, 9:39 PM
Stuttgart88

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Sheehan at leicester is a l.b. the only recognised one at the club at present but despite doing enough to earn a contract extention last season, he only managed 4 appearences when he had set a target of 10 for himself, this coming season will tell us a lot more about him, and the clubs activity in the transfer markes re that position will tell us a lot more of what they reckon to him also, captain of the reserves though, and a dead ball expert.

I've read all your posts about him during the year. What age is he though? Is he ever in our underage squads?
03/06/2006, 9:45 PM
CraftyToePoke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I've read all your posts about him during the year. What age is he though? Is he ever in our underage squads?

he is 19, and has represented us underage at 3 age groups, if memory serves he played u21 v france in our last campaign.

here he is; http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...~33431,00.html
04/06/2006, 1:03 AM
tricky_colour

Quote:

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

He was practising free kicks during half time against Chile and skied every one of them, and did the exact same with every free kick he took in the second half

Surely it is just a question of getting enough top spin on them?
I can do it perfect everytime (well in my imagination anyway ;) )
long time since I kicked a football in anger though.
Less power more top spin, you can't defy the laws of physics!!
05/06/2006, 7:36 AM
Stuttgart88

I read on teletext this w/e that 2 Spanish teams were promoted, neither being Levante. Do 3 teams go up?
05/06/2006, 7:41 AM
CraftyToePoke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I read on teletext this w/e that 2 Spanish teams were promoted, neither being Levante. Do 3 teams go up?

pretty sure 3 went down.
07/06/2006, 3:34 PM
Over the post

Yes, three go up. Levante will go up next weekend if they win and the fourth placed team don't. Otherwise they'll have to wait till the following match, which will be the last of the season.
20/06/2006, 12:14 AM
dr_peepee

Levante got promoted the other day...
20/06/2006, 12:45 AM
tricky_colour

Would it be fair to say we got to a world cup with Harte but didn't do so
well without?
I am not too sure on this because I can't remember how many games
he played in each campaign.
I know he played in the Israel game but I am not too sure about some of the others.

Anyway there are some good free kick clips on here:-
http://www.footballclips.net/football/harte
26/06/2006, 2:39 PM
Over the post

Apparently Harte's changed his mind and decided to stay at Levante.

The fact that the fans have taken to him and promotion to Primera are being cited as his main motives but the discovery that the only English clubs interesed in him currently ply their trade in the Championship probably helped him make up his mind.
26/06/2006, 9:55 PM
dr_peepee

Says who???

He's too easy a target for some so called fans....

I'm not for one second saying he'd have his choice of clubs, but a free transfer for a player with his experience, especially a left full, would prove an inexpensive gamble for any of the middle to lower tier Premiership clubs. I'd say you'll find there was more than just championship clubs showed an interest. You might also find he's earning a tidy sum over there too...
27/06/2006, 8:02 AM
Over the post

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Says who???

He's too easy a target for some so called fans....

I'm not for one second saying he'd have his choice of clubs, but a free transfer for a player with his experience, especially a left full, would prove an inexpensive gamble for any of the middle to lower tier Premiership clubs. I'd say you'll find there was more than just championship clubs showed an interest. You might also find he's earning a tidy sum over there too...

I'm not sure he's available on a free! It's true he's the top earner and for that reason Levante were interested in getting rid of him. However, it was the Chairman of the club who announced that only Championship clubs had expressed an interest. If a Premiership club had come in for him it would have been in both Harte's and Levante's interests for him to return to England.

I also find it inappropriate that a comment on the realities of the transfer market merits the author being denounced as a "so called [sic] fan"!
27/06/2006, 6:13 PM
dr_peepee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Over the post

I'm not sure he's available on a free! It's true he's the top earner and for that reason Levante were interested in getting rid of him. However, it was the Chairman of the club who announced that only Championship clubs had expressed an interest. If a Premiership club had come in for him it would have been in both Harte's and Levante's interests for him to return to England.

I also find it inappropriate that a comment on the realities of the transfer market merits the author being denounced as a "so called [sic] fan"!

There was an agreement that he could return to england on a free at the end of the season, as far as I know any way.

And the "so called fan" comment refers to the fact that Harte, like Kilbane, wavey Davey Connolly, Gary Breen are all easy targets for sneers & comments. There's no harm in being aware of a players limits. But there's a section of Irish supporters now who resemble our Daily Sun reading friends accross the water when it comes to sticking the boot into our own players.

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