Stan is a ****ing joke. The man can't even conduct a match interview, can you imagine him doing a team talk...the lads must split their sides laughing at him:rolleyes:. Quit now you plank!
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Stan is a ****ing joke. The man can't even conduct a match interview, can you imagine him doing a team talk...the lads must split their sides laughing at him:rolleyes:. Quit now you plank!
We finished the game with three central defensive midfielders, while our best impact sub, Hunt stayed on the bench. I struggle to understand a thing that Stan does
Get real, Kilbane was one of our best ,.. AGAIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketballs7
I'm always the first to knock Kilbane, and he was decent enough tonight.
But what is Stan playing at, I don't understand. Kelly had trouble all night trying to get forward and pass the ball, he was doing his best playing on the wrong side.
There seemed to be a lack of tactics of any kind.
Brilliant=Dunne
Good=Given and Kilbane
Ok= Keane and Doyle
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Then you have McShane 'out of his dept', Kelly and O'Shea out of position and looking confused, Carsley and Ireland, very bad. McGeddy was terrible
Douglas and Gibbons?? where were Reid and Hunt?
No man trust me Kilbane has heart and guts dont get me wrong and he will run all night for Ireland but he just is not good enough at this level. Im willing to give him a break because he trys so hard but you have to call a spade a spade. His crossing is in my opinion terrible. Hunt no matter what anyone says would be my preferred option every time. If you cant see that there is something wrong with you. Either that or your knowledge of football is non existant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Don't get me wrong paddy garcia, a lot of players on that team tonight (not mentioning anybody in particular , ahem O' shea ) could have taken a leaf from his book coz i can never fault his effort, he gives 110% everytime he puts on the green shirt, i just think he has linited ability and we could have done with a more exciting talent, like Hunt. However, the fault tonight lies with Mr. Staunton, his tactics and substitutions / tactics are nothing but bizarre:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Some people need to get off their Kilbane hating horse. If john o shea had a even a tenth of his commitment or desire then we'd be sorted for a left back.
How many times did he give atrocious backpasses to given. How many outrageously poor games has he played for Ireland yet continues to get picked?
Kilbanes delivery was poor and I have to say I wouldnt have started him tonight but you can always depend on him to contribute SOMETHING positive in a game.
As I said in the match thread he got the line up and subs wrong and his team showed the same failings as they have done in the past.
As a player he led by example. As a manager he fails to lead. He shows tactical naivety, his personnel decisions are at times baffling. In short his lack of experience is his undoing. :(
He should never have been appointed in the 1st place by the FAI but then what do you expect from an organisation who have shown themselves to be incapable of running Irish football again and again and again. Not only should Staunton and his backroom staff be relieved of his duties at the end of this campaign but Mr John "I promise you a world class management team" Delaney should also go and take the vast majority of his cronies at the FAI with him. :mad:
I feel sorry for Staunton in some ways as he put his head above the parapit and answered the call. I feel contempt for Delaney and the rest of the suits at the FAI for putting him in this situation.
Once again FAI=FAIlure. :mad:
Take a step back & compare Kilbane's career with Hunts. It must be me & every premiership manager that has a non existant knowledge of football so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Of course I know Kilbane is not world class. However he played pretty well tonight, better than most & Hunt has done sweet FA for Ireland to date. I hope that changes, but that is the fact.
As a man u fan, i find it incredible to believe that john o'shea was so good as a youngster that he impressed any manager. I think he's awful. 100% correct that he should try giving KK's commitment. however, why not play KK at left back, stephen kelly at RB, then 'All types of crazy' Hunt at midfield?????? surely stan can see that, cant he??:confused: his final ball is so much better than KK's at present and he lifts the team. I think KK in this form would be better as LBQuote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Just to add that I think Don Givens should also go....the useless, cretinous gob****e! :mad:
Sorry, but we're not talking about peoples careers here, we're talking bout qualifying for euro 2008. If you're gonna talk about careers, where has john o'shea and douglas' gone to ? Stephen hunt is well worthy of a place in the irish starting eleven , and i wont let anyone tell me otherwise. He has something every other player in this squad cannot offerQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
After your first sentence I thought you would have something sensible to say but your second completely contradicts what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Please sign the petition (in my signature)
Well he's not - what has he to offer ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketballs7
hear hear re-Givens. Billy Clarke out left ffs.
Stan? He could have got away with it but no Hunt and no Reid leaves big questions unanswered.
I still think we could have Hiddink in charge but 6 short arses in front of a decent defense makes managing this team a thankless task.
That said, Robbie was peripheral and I'm sure Reid could have put his foot on the ball and brought himinto the game.
I think one of us must have crashed into a van carrying a hundred mirrors tough.
Kilbane was our third best player tonight, after Dunne and Given. He constantly cleaned up for Kelly, who was out of position because of Stan, helped in the middle, where Reid should have been but wasn't...Stan.
Is there anyone who argues with the fact that this was a display of total incompetence by Stunton and he must go?
Agree with this. Kelly was ripped apart. Stan should have tried Foley in a friendly ( was he injured ?). I hope Finnan is back next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
i thought kilbane was our best player in the first half - and i am usually his biggest critic....we need to win 2-0 in a game now and again - end of story. seal the fookin deal lads - you are all premiership (or thereabouts)fooballers.
If you look back on the posts noone said they hated Kilbane. We just sai Hunt was a better option which he was simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
Not me, he's an idiot. still can't believe what happened there tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Scram
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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
What are you talking about. Hunt has been excellent when given his chance. He wasnt given his chance tonight and I think its a travisty. He isnt world class either but he can deliver decent ball intot he box. Im not going to get into an argument with you my opinion will be the same.
Its hurts to say this but if we dont beat the Czechs i really really hope we get well beaten by the Czechs and hope that it makes Stans position unattenable(which the Cyprus result should have done). We are going to be low seeds to the World cup qualifiers so having that muppet in charge will be disaster and in my opinion could damage us for years
He has a lot to offer ireland. he's young(ish) , hungry, has good ideas, attacks defences, great distribution from the wing, and pops up with the odd goal, whicj i'm sure he would do with ireland if given the chance. Don't be knocking the chap just in defence of KK. he's a fantastic player and should have played tonight full stop. i'm not the only person who thinks it either, the majority doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Calls for his head now are not premature by any means. He has proved that he has no clue, he cannot learn from what he does right never mind what he does wrong.
The "Carlsley" debacle was the first instance when despite 100% calls for him to be in the squad, Muppet Staunton insisted that he won't be....until foced to call him in. Now he is first choice.
All that sh!te with Terry Dixon, Joseph Lapira and now Darren Gibson....all cases of Staunton childishly trying to prove some stupid point that he is his own man..he is his a Muppet, and unfortunately, our Muppet.
About 100% of "pundits" appear to agree that Reid should have started tonight and most certainly should have been on for McGeady at half time who did not perform.
It is not premature to call for his head, it is too late. :mad:
YOUNG - he is about 26 & has had one full season in the top division. How can he be fantastic ? Ronaldo is fantastic, Duff was (& I hope will be again ) fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketballs7
Reading did great as new boys last year, but this year will test the teams true quality. He might well find himself back in the lower leagues - I genuinely hope this is not where he belongs. But it is where he has been.
The majority of who thinks he is fansastic, not those that matter like premiership managers.
Having said that you make a reasonable point about the chance he has had for Ireland, then again he was total s**t in the States.
ok fair enough, he may not be of ronaldo's class, or duff's about 5 years ago(except for the slovakia home game) , but what he has done in the ireland games he has played in ( particularly wales - although i may add that this rubbish wales team, and they are rubbish, may stand in the way of us and qualification) has been particularly impressive. im a firm believer that a man going forward has a major advantage against the player he's attacking going backwards, and hunt is one of the few along with mcGeady when he pulls his finger out, that can do this for irelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
...and I'd certainly have stuck hin on tonight instead of a defensive midfielder. Reid would have been my first choice as sub, then Hunt. I think we would have won if either came on instead of Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketballs7
Is there now anyone who thinks Stan should not go (Delaney too, but that won't happen)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
agreed, pity the F**king arsehole of a 'gaffer' has'nt a clue:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
I was exchanging high-fives with my fellow Irishmen here in Blagoevgrad when I returned to the computer and saw the all-too-familiar words... 'Disaster for Ireland'.
Should Stan go? He shoudn't have been given the job in the first place, but he's contracted for the next two years. No amount of bitching by us, or the (by now cliched) throwaway results will make the FAI admit they were wrong and part with the euros in compensation to Mr. Staunton. I think we're stuck with him, come what may.
In the meantime, let's just offer up our prayers. The ghosts of John Atyeo, Wim Keift, Goran Stravevski and that Israeli/Arab lad from 2005 are shrieking tonight. However, I'm in Bulgaria at the moment, and the locals were actually laughing cynically at their team, cheering the goals that they conceded and making jokes about how bad they were, during their defeat to Holland. If I ever go that way about Ireland, shoot me. No, wait, torture me, then hack my head off with a rusty bread-knife. I can't believe these people's pessimism.
If he had the balls and dignity he had as a player he would walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
... & hand back the wages he has been paid to date.
what should happen in an ideal world is the fai should line up a replacement of quality before sacking stan. as opposed to getting rid of him and leaving the team in limbo for a while.
As others and the pundits on the box have said not having Reid and Hunt on at some stage was a joke. The Gibson substitution looked like stunt. All in all he is a fool, the sooner he goes the better, if he'd any self respect he quit!
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bhs
Yeah, but as a player, he was a stubborn f*cker too. He never gave up on lost causes. I even remember him playing in central midfield against Portugal in the rout of '95 in Lisbon. Central midfield? Maybe that's why his thoughts are so ambiguous and misguided about that position.Quote:
If he had the balls and dignity he had as a player he would walk.
And lads, don't be harsh on Gibson. He will be a great player for Ireland, it's just too soon for him. Owen Garvan only played 45 minutes for the 21's last night, and he's had much more competitive experience than Gibson.
Can't wait for the day we see Garvan and Gibson together in the Irish midfield! Of course, if and when that happens (2011?), no-one will remember my little post here, on this long-forgotten, horrible day. Sob...
Agreed, but on that note, why is Gibson even in the squad? will be a player for the future, no doubt, but was it a stunt for the FAI, IFA arguement? i would like to think that it definately was'nt but nothing surprises me with stan, i'm very disapointed with him at the moment............................againQuote:
Originally Posted by Supreme feet
I will admit to being a hypocrite - I was furious with the Terry Dixon/Joe Lapira affairs, but I think Gibson's different. He's Irish, for a start (I love being mischievous!), and he seems to have a real future in the game - in a position that hasn't been effectively filled since Townsend, Sheridan and Keane. I wouldn't play someone on the basis of potential alone, but Gibson will have learned a lot from tonight. Which is more than can be said for Staunton.
It just seems futile.
Sack Staunton, get a new manager and still f*ck up in the last minute. I just don't know anymore.
Well the whole gibson mess was probably meant to have been sorted out away to San Marino. He was in the squad and the management were probably going to give him a few minutes run out once we were a few goals clear, but marani had other ideas...Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketballs7