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im totally confused kiely played more then 5 games with the senior team last season so he cant play Mun junior this year,if his U21 he can play but players over 21 can play in the 21s.he won the Mun senior last season with limerick making him cup tied for this seasons Mun junior but he played anyway.....now that i think of it,its straight forward enough.honestly im lost
how can you be lost.
ken kiely has played more than 5 senior games with limerick. he is under 21 but this does not matter whether your 21 or 41. if you play 5 senior games the MUNSTER COUNCIL has a rule saying you cannot play in the munster junior therefore he is illegal.
read leathers last post
so your sayin davy ryan could of been playin for balla??Quote:
Originally Posted by see's it
i watched limerick fc alot last season and im telling ye now ken keily played alot more than 5 games for limerick. we (carew) lost out on a fai cup fianl and prob an fai winners medal a couple of seasons back for breaking the rules stupidly if clonmel broke the rules they should be kick out simple as that. and if they are throw out there commitee should resign on the spot
leather has got it wrong. once you play 6 games you cannot play.
therefore clonmel are in right trouble. if clonmel do get away with this then BACKOFTHENET and ALLAB are right. the young lad with balla should be left play.
so its either put pike back in or leave other players that are coming back from loi play
the only thing carew ever lost was their disciplineQuote:
Originally Posted by thomas72
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Originally Posted by see's it
o look another great post from see's it do you ever come out with something that is not full of ****e or slagging other clubs have you not got a brain cell in your head to come up with anything else
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couldnt agree more, same crap yesterday about noonan and pike...how boringQuote:
Originally Posted by thomas72
im off home with my ball anyway silverc and tommy are at me
not really surprising is itQuote:
Originally Posted by see's it
I would like to coment on the other half of then clonmel situation.Alan Coady who was sent off against St Michael s never even served an automatic one match ban before appeal.Paul Quinn got sent off against pike two weeks before Balla played ST Michael s in MJC.The thing is Balla were supposed to play Star the week before but the game was called off,so Paul Quinn could not play against St Michael s on appeal because he did not serve his automatic one match ban.MJC Council told Balla commitee that was the case.If Alan Coady played against pike he was illegal end of story.Along with the Ken Kiely situation Clonmel should be thrown out and Pike put into the semi s.RULES ARE RULES.
If the match you are refering to was canceled then thats called a postponement. However if the opposing team fails to field a team then a walkover is awarded and this constitutes a fulfilled fixture i.e Coadys one match suspension. If you are going to quote rules try to get it right. I cant comment on the Ken Kiely situation at the moment but if Town are to suffer any sanctions it definetley wont be as a result of Coadys participation in the match.
Here is my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.T.F.C
In the past, the LFA (I know different Association) and the FAI have deemed that a competitive match is a match that is actually played (needs not be concluded). If a teams fails to show, a suspension is NOT automatically served (this caused a rumpus in the LSL last season). If this happens the suspension is carried over to the next competitive fixture.
Rule 47 (3) sending off offences (a)(ii) states "In all other matches played under the auspices of the Football Association of Ireland an expulsion automatically incurs a suspension from the next competitive match. A player sent from the field of play shall serve an automatic suspension at the same level of football i.e. a player sent from the field of play in a 1st team fixture may not serve an automatic suspension in a reserve team fixture and vice-verse."
Also if Ken Kiely played for Limerick in the FAI Senior Cup Last year, he is ineligible for the MFA Junior Cup this season (Rule 2 of the Munster Junior Cup Rules), did he not play against Drogheda in the first game last year and in the second game coming on a last minute replacement for John Lester?.
However the sting in tail for Pike is Rule 18 of the MFA general competition rules "Teams playing ineligible players will be fined for each offence and may be removed from the competition.".
The word MAY permits the MFA to allow Clonmel remain in the competition. However I don't think this will happen.
When is this objection going to be heard?
see the next comment after yours!!!!! fact enough???Quote:
Originally Posted by C.T.F.C
It certainly would be if we played in Lenister but WE DONT. The hearing is tommorrow night in Cork. Lets wait and see shall we:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Man 2
would hate to see clonmel go out of cup like this. but rules are rules i suppose its a pity cause they had great chance of making 4 mjc finals in a row which would have been great achievement
Could there be a possibility of a replay with Pike?Quote:
Originally Posted by balls
A bit like what happened with Carew a few years back when they had an objection against them in the fai.
They werent kicked out but had to replay the game.
LUCOZADE SPORT MUNSTER JUNIOR CUP
Semi - Finals Draw
Leeside v Ballynanty Rvs fixed for Midleton FC's ground Midleton, Co.Cork on Sunday 15th April 2007 at 3-00pm.
Maymount Celtic v Clonmel Town (subject to protest)
Any word on the outcome of this meeting or did it go ahead?Quote:
Originally Posted by C.T.F.C
went ahead last nite
What was the decision? Does anybody know who was on the Clonmel delegation? Hope they sent people who could provide a strong case
wont hear till maybe tomorrow
it should be settled with a replay,i know rules are rules but no one would want to advance to the next round on a technicality,although it is pike we're on about
If rules are rules then why should it be replayed:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by oscar
i dont no the ruling on Ken Kiely, but a walk-over constitutes a game played which definately makes Coady legal.
would u rather go thru by beating a team and proving ur better,or by objection,I just think it should be sorted on the pitch....and if pike had won,which they should of,would anyone have complained
the walk over was only officially ratified by the TS&Dl committeee on monday 2nd April and points were added therefore he was illegal... it all comes back to the clonmel town secretary making a big **** up (or chances his arm) on both counts .... simple as that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by pearse4t3
Pike won their objection on both counts, Town are outQuote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Man 2
That's not the point, if you break the rules you suffer the consequences. What would be the point of having rules in the first place if every time someone broke them we'd say "ah sure replay the game, they broke the rules but who wants to progress after the they were kicked out because of cheating"Quote:
Originally Posted by oscar
Honestly you have no grounds for an argument whatsoever.
how can it be a technicality..Pike won the appeal on BOTH counts..CTFC fielded 2 illegal players...the fact it is Pike is the basis for your argument...the rules were broken..I have to have sympathy for the CTFC players..if anyone is to blame it is not Pike its the idiot that allowed both players to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by oscar
here here.. its the secretary or manager whoever is responsibile is to blame.....Quote:
Originally Posted by silvercircle
You are spot on- it wasnt a technicality. The munster council have decided that Town broke the rules. Pike were well within their rights to lodge a protest, in much the same way as Town have the right of appeal and beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by silvercircle
We try not to crucify people for genuine mistakes at this club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Man 2
fair enough ! !Quote:
Originally Posted by C.T.F.C
from Clonmel Town Website......
Town Thrown Out Of Munster - 5th Apr
Pike Rovers of Limerick have won their appeal that Clonmel Town played an illegal player in their recent Munster Junior Cup Quarter Final two weeks ago. As a club we feel very disappointed with the judgement of the Munster Football Association and we feel that we owe to the management and players to take this issue as far as we can. We acknowledge a mistake was made but it was an honest one and the brutality of the decision is not a reflection of this. Also, the club's good name and integrity has now been brought into question and we must now act accordingly to clear our name. It seems comical that one player can be eligible for the FAI Junior Cup, Oscar Traynor Trophy, his own Domestic league and cups but not the Munster Junior Cup. What a joke.
Seems that there will be an appeal
Derek Mccarthy of Pike was eligible to play FAI....OT....and Limerick Prem...but not in the MJC...he has played no part in Pikes MJC campagin !!!!!:ball:Quote:
Originally Posted by munsterman000
same to be said for shane geurin and dave ryan of ballynanty. rules are rules at the end of the day. how many other games on the way to the quarter final did ken kiely play?
I think that is another big question... How many other games in the cup run did they play an illegal player?Quote:
Originally Posted by widow
does not make a diference unless you appeal before the window. Then it is too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Innishvilla
This one is not over yet. Expect the MJC to be delayed...