For anyone who is interested the full appraisal is here
http://www.derrycityfc.net/BPfulleconomicappraisal.zip
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For anyone who is interested the full appraisal is here
http://www.derrycityfc.net/BPfulleconomicappraisal.zip
You can't have greyhound racing and football in the same all seat stadium, they need very different facilities.
Derry City Council covering themselves in more glory. They didn't have the same trouble giving away Council land to the GAA a year ago....
The Millennium Stand! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Work should be getting underway right about now to be ready in time for the UEFA Cup.
A little light on specific details from the club but it should be a temporary measure until they start on the ambitious ground redevelopment/academy/world domination scheme.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...g?t=1176819366
Why didn't they just lengthen the pitch at the other end where there's nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Seems like a bizarre reason to me.
new stand on the up in terryland. See latest photos in the features section on this link: http://www.galwayunitedfc.ie/menu-it...o-gallery.html
always good to see :D
Will it eventually run the full length of the pitch?
I think it is a few feet short at each end to allow for futher development behind both goals. There will be 1500 seats plus new dressing rooms, shops, office, press room. Entrance to the new stand will be via new tunstiles in the car park.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
I heard that the old clubhouse (constructed in 1993) will be used for 'corporate' hospitality!
The TV gantry (currently a piece of scantly assembled scaffolding!) will move over to the other side. The floodlights will be moved on both sides of the pitch.
The old floodlights will not be taken down until the new ones are ready:D :D
Apart from the structural difficulties the notion of a stand being built over the camac is a non-starter-have you not noticed the bats there during games that are feeding on insects attracted by the floodlights? You will never get PP to interfere with an important urban riparian habitat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
All bat species in Ireland are protected by EU designation.
I can't wait for 'the bats sent us to Tallaght' headlines c.2009!
Maybe you should enlighten yourself and look up Garrett Kelleher.This is the man who is building the Chicago Spire skyscraper and suddenly he's going to have "structural difficulties" in Dublin?Quote:
Originally Posted by bad mongo
"Bats" and "PP",yep those have been enormous concerns for the authorties over the years:rolleyes:
"Tallaght" you're having a laugh if you think thats going to be habitable by 2009.Kelleher isnt some Delboy character,he could probably build in your backgarden before you could say Bobs your uncle:)
you see the problem in ireland is that you have to get PP for all structures and therefore go through the 'planning process' which involves satisifing old biddies and tree huggers that your building is up to scratch, needed, does not interfere with the natural habitat or the scenic value of the area!! Most other civilised countries work on a 'permit system' where you only need to get a building permit which is given once you show you are going to build within the planning guidelines - cutting out the power of the nay-sayers, old biddies and tree huggers and allowing those other countries to progress smoothly into the 21st century!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint MacDara
Point being that it is much easier for larger developers to build in foreign lands than here at home. and btw if kelleher was able to build in bad mongo's back garden as quick as you say then surely that would make him even more dodgy than a Del Boy type!!!
Thats just batty, hang some garlic off the roof. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bad mongo
I don't think you fully understand the gravitas of the situation. Mr kelleher is not richer than the Irish state or the Eurpoean Commission- which would be within its rights to fine the state millions for potentially destroying the habitat of a protected species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint MacDara
It's far easier to build a skyscraper on a brownfield site than build a stadium over a wildlife habitat from a policy perspective.
For example the M7 had to be built in a non-pemeable culvert to protect the Curragh fen from potentially polluted runoff that would destroy the habitat of a rare snail-Now most folks don't give a flyinf f### about a snail but the point was that the snail was an indicator species whose presence determined whether the water was in any way polluted, hence its need to be protected.
Believe me you won't be building a stand over the camac-ask mr kelleher to demolish his expensive sheds at the other end of the ground and build there or else be prepared for a bat bashing lynch mob of Pat's fans scurrying along the banks of the camac when you are told it's a non-starter and you have to change plan.
This argument always gets simplified in the media to the point that pple can't really get a grasp of the context of the situation.
I'm sure Mr kelleher is well aware of the situation-his small change would stretch to an initial site appraisal by planning consultants to flag the issue straight away.
You can blame all those crazy dutch and germans for wanting to protect our bats as all theirs are gone. The irish govt agreed to this back in the day when our only hope of economic advancement was seen to be in keeping the gaff pristine for all the high spending, clog wearing , bratwurst munching visitors from the continent:)
Mr kelleher is welcome to discuss plans for an extensive mews development in my back garden any time- as long as he's paying and gives me a job working for him afterwards!
For the recor I actually hope Pats stay in richer-just be prepared for some spanners in the works
Surely this can't be right? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by bad mongo
KOH
What bats? Never noticed any there meself over the years. (Note to Dodge: is he referring to Anto's bats, d'you reckon?)
Anyway, who's to say they actually live in the trees beyond the Camac terrace rather as opposed to being northside bats or culchie bats who happened to wander into Pats airspace for an away game? In which case, we declare a no-fly zone, zap them with some kind of sonar that only bats and Johhny Mc can hear, no resident bats, not a habitat, , problem solved, bulldoze away to our hearts content.
BTW, aren't those snails that held up the M7 now an extinct species as opposed to being merely endangered? Fat lot of good all that do-goodery did them.
The camac will be a scenic walkway running from ehh new things to ehh other new things.
As bad mongo points out there is PP and rezoning needed before anything could be done to richer or its surroundings. Anyone got Mr Kellehers number we may need to call him and tell him to get something like this done last year.
kdjac
More photos of the new stand under construction at Terryland were added to the offical Galway United website...
http://www.galwayunitedfc.ie/menu-it...o-gallery.html
nice little stand going up there in galway. looks nice and steep too must give a good view of the pitch. tho its a pity they wouldnt extend it the full lenght of the pitch
You can see here what the work on the bowl looks like. The dug up bit will have a block of seats put on it and the fencing on the other side of the main stand shows where another block of seats will be. I took the photo 2 days ago, both sides are now dug up and have had a hard surface laid to take the concrete.
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/176...8473886_rs.jpg
are they gonna concrete behind each of the goals, ala the railway end in Sligo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
No, it'll basically be like Belfield Park but with a bigger main stand. There'll be a fence to lean on and a path running around the pitch. Behind the stand will be surfaced and a shop, toilets and that type of thing are being put in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
just wondering... where's the dressing rooms? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
You can see them behind the stand, they're the wooden clad building with a bit of red plastering beside the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
They're actually quite fancy, they have a sauna, jacuzzi and plunge pool in them. The rugger crowd use them at the moment.
Work starts in richmond
http://www.stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=1592
Will Pats play their Uefa games in Richmond? How many seats will be available?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Real signs of progress in the league. After decades of waffle and spurious plans that had little basis in reality it's great to see construction actually happening at so many grounds. This also means that people will take stadium development announcements a lot more seriously than they would have in the past.
So what's the state of play now for each club? (I'm guessing for a number of these so don't get annoyed if I'm way off:D )
St Patrick's Athletic - new temp stand underway, plans for complete revamp pending planning permission (seems to be funding in place)
Drogheda United - planning difficulties holding up new stadium
Bohemians - finished with Dalymount
Cork City - all-seater ground - plans for all-covered
Shamrock Rovers - N/A :)
Derry City - trouble with the council
UCD - building underway
Sligo Rovers - Not sure - plans on hold for now?
Bray Wanderers - Big improvements made in recent seasons, next step?
Waterford United - Funding for new stand in place
Galway United - New stand being built
Longford Town - Already all-seater, applied for planning to build commercial units next to ground
Dundalk - Terrace recently covered
Cobh Ramblers - new stand almost finished
Limerick 37 - New club, new plans to develop Jackman
Athlone Town - new stadium, plans to complete on all sides
Kildare County - Don't know
Finn Harps - New stadium plans at an advanced stage, funding approved
Wexford Youths - Moneybags property developer will probably be able to build whatever he likes, depending on what is needed.
Shelbourne - :D
Monaghan United - Don't know
Kilkenny City - Don't know, good facilities in place already.
Feel free to set me right.
For some reason I thought it would be bowl-shaped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
Good to see at long last work on the mud bank at Richmond Park. Will it really be finished for July? What is the capacity?
The Bowl refers more to the dip in the ground it's in rather than anything else. At least, I think that's why it's called the Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risteard
As far as I know, the rugby players walk from the dressing room, through effectively the turnstiles and either down through the stand or just to one side (i.e. where there's building work now). I think there was talk of putting an underground tunnel for that (can't have Bohs players walking through a stand with loads of Bohs fans obvioulsy), which would run from the dressing rooms to the pitch. Not sure if this was a definite plan or just an idea though - one of the others might be able to correct me on that.
Think its 1,200 or something like that. Builders say it'll take 6 weeks. Its a bit mad having something actually done rather than seeing 15 drafts of plans and then nothing for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
The Belfield Bowl is going to take a huge amount of work to get a license for next year
Dundalkkk had plans to build a super-duper training centre of excellence type thing in Oriel Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
Why? There's plenty of funding and all the necessary tidbits are in the planning. It'll be grand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It will, but we've lots of time and lots of money (E2.5 million in grants, I think). Phase I - which is all we need for licencing next year - calls for an extra 900 covered seats and a few more facilities (toilets, shops, etc) which are basically concrete cubes. The pitch I think will take the most time, putting in proper drainage. But the slowest thing about new grounds or ground improvements is getting plans, permission and funding together; once that's all sorted, the building work doesn't take too long. Can't see the above taking seven months, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Sligo Rovers are doing a huge revamp of the staduim. Shed end was knocked in february and construction of a state of the art training facility: Gym, indoor soccer arena, pool, Box seates overlooking the pitch. Offices are also being put into the building which will help the running of the club. Also a club shop will be put in seperate to the main training centre/offices. And as far as i know a plans for a small shed (no seating) are to be included in the building of the centre which will be located where the old Rovers shed was.
A new boundry wall is about to be finished by the end of the month with brand new turnstiles (home and away) and a front office included.
Waiting for planning permission for the new building in Oriel
IMO the previous plans were too extravagant anyway. I suppose this brings seated capacity to about 3500 with maybe similar amount or bit more standing room?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I'd say its more like the bare minimum 1,500 seats and limited standing around the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
So very similar to Belfield Park....
What previous plans? There's three phases. Phase I as always was to add enough seats to bring it to 1,500 seated capacity and do the other licencing bits. Phase II will cover the 700ish uncovered seats and put another 1,500 seater on the opposite side. Phase III will add stands behind both grounds to take us up to 4,500 seats. Phases II and III are only at the drawing board stage and hope to be completed in 5 years. Phase I has planning permission and funding in place and has just began.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I was talking about Richmond Park... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Think Pete quoted the wrong bit of my post :D
I think you're right Pete (of you tlaking about Richmond)