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23/03/2007, 10:28 AM
Side Cutter

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

I presume ye won at the weekend so...hard to know with no website up and running.

As for the player in question...he was sent off in a league match and played the following two games, the second of which was against Caherconlish. We only found out afterwards that the FAI rule regarding automatic one match suspensions was adopted into the LDMC rulebook at the last AGM. We were expecting the same as last season when a suspension and fine would be sent out in the post. We got it wrong and have paid for it. There is no way we would have played him had we known he was suspended and jeopardise a league title. The fact that it did happen is now a serious matter within the club and will have repurcussions at our AGM.

The player himself got a 3 month suspension for the red card so he effectively misses the rest of the season.

Just one last reply to clear things up here.
The rule regarding players being suspended automatically for one match
has been in place for last year and maybe the year before that as well,
any club can tell you this rule.
23/03/2007, 12:27 PM
KevB76

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Originally Posted by the 12 th man

Can we move on from this,there's no point going over and over it again.

In fairness Ra�l Madrid has made an interesting point quite different to the pages and pages of utter tripe which preceded it !
23/03/2007, 1:55 PM
Ra�l Madrid

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Originally Posted by Side Cutter

Just one last reply to clear things up here.
The rule regarding players being suspended automatically for one match
has been in place for last year and maybe the year before that as well,
any club can tell you this rule.

That's fair enough Side Cutter - not knowing the rules is no defence.

However, from reading back through the posts, it seems that the player in question should have served his suspension in the match immediately prior to the Coonagh v Caherconlish game. Apparently, Coonagh won this game 7-1 v Parkville.

Surely, therefore, it is PARKVILLE who should be awarded the three points from THAT fixture, and the result of the Coonagh v Caherconlish game should stand. In other words, the beneficiaries of Coonagh's error should be the team against whom the player SHOULD have served his suspension. It should be irrelevant to Caherconlish whether an opposing player does or does not observe a suspension in a game not involving their club.

I work in the law myself and, in terms of appeals, precedents and just general fair play, these issues need to be looked at carefully. Coonagh would have excellent grounds for appealing this decision in my view (not that I would generally encourage such an approach in an amateur game)
23/03/2007, 2:13 PM
Side Cutter

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Originally Posted by Ra�l Madrid

That's fair enough Side Cutter - not knowing the rules is no defence.

However, from reading back through the posts, it seems that the player in question should have served his suspension in the match immediately prior to the Coonagh v Caherconlish game. Apparently, Coonagh won this game 7-1 v Parkville.

Surely, therefore, it is PARKVILLE who should be awarded the three points from THAT fixture, and the result of the Coonagh v Caherconlish game should stand. In other words, the beneficiaries of Coonagh's error should be the team against whom the player SHOULD have served his suspension. It should be irrelevant to Caherconlish whether an opposing player does or does not observe a suspension in a game not involving their club.

I work in the law myself and, in terms of appeals, precedents and just general fair play, these issues need to be looked at carefully. Coonagh would have excellent grounds for appealing this decision in my view (not that I would generally encourage such an approach in an amateur game)

I see where you are coming from, but parkville never knew of this and did not appeal.
But as he played against caherconlish he was still illegal as he had not served his one match automatic ban and that is why the ldmc adjudicated on those grounds.
23/03/2007, 2:18 PM
larrywhite

Just to clarify this, the FAI rule regarding automatic one match suspension was only adopted into the LDMC rule book at the AGM last summer so this is the first season it applies to local leagues. The LDMC told me so.

Now can we pleeeeeeaaaaaasssssse let this alone nefore the thread is closed and/or someone is banned.
23/03/2007, 2:30 PM
Ra�l Madrid

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Originally Posted by Side Cutter

I see where you are coming from, but parkville never knew of this and did not appeal.
But as he played against caherconlish he was still illegal as he had not served his one match automatic ban and that is why the ldmc adjudicated on those grounds.

That's obviously how the LDMC must have viewed it alright. Either way, it is a pity. I assume Caherconlish will now go on to win a title that will, to some extent, seem tarnished in the view of some local observers. And then I am sure Coonagh will feel disgusted to miss out on a championship based on a procedural/administrative error. T

hat's why I brought up the Leeds/Stuttgart precedent earlier. I thought that playing a one-off match on neutral ground would be a better solution. It would penalise Coonagh for their mistake in not observing the suspension, and would give Caherconlish another bite of the cherry in terms of wiping out a 4-1 loss. Equally, if Caherconlish came through such a fixture, who could honestly say they weren't true champions?

At amateur level, it's not about money, its about glory, so a tarnished championship just cheapens both sides' efforts since last August, which is a pity, because they are obviously both good sides for that level of play ...
23/03/2007, 2:32 PM
Ra�l Madrid

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrywhite

Just to clarify this, the FAI rule regarding automatic one match suspension was only adopted into the LDMC rule book at the AGM last summer so this is the first season it applies to local leagues. The LDMC told me so.

Now can we pleeeeeeaaaaaasssssse let this alone nefore the thread is closed and/or someone is banned.

Okay Larry, case closed. Just wanted to make my own suggestion from reading all of your posts ...
25/03/2007, 6:04 PM
ShelsLimerick

Division 4A

Cappamore 5 Shelbourne B 1

Division 4B

St Patricks C 1 Shelbourne C 3

Any other results from the lower divisions?
26/03/2007, 9:07 AM
Side Cutter

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Originally Posted by ShelsLimerick

Division 4A

Cappamore 5 Shelbourne B 1

Division 4B

St Patricks C 1 Shelbourne C 3

Any other results from the lower divisions?

Div. 3b herbertstown b 1 coonagh b(the real champs) 0
game over.
26/03/2007, 1:51 PM
kingofkillteely

Congatulations Caherconlish. You are deserving champions. Now for the double i suppose.
26/03/2007, 2:35 PM
larrywhite

That Herbertstown defence is tighter than the Kingofkilteely when it comes to buying a round on the train. Had majority of possession for most of the game but created only 1 chance all game and the king himself missed it. ;)
26/03/2007, 2:41 PM
3 Heroes

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

That Herbertstown defence is tighter than the Kingofkilteely when it comes to buying a round on the train. Had majority of possession for most of the game but created only 1 chance all game and the king himself missed it. ;)

I blame the boots:o
26/03/2007, 3:28 PM
larrywhite

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Originally Posted by 3 Heroes

I blame the boots:o

The yellow boots looked better than his green/white head yesterday. Very sick puppy.
26/03/2007, 7:03 PM
3 Heroes

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

The yellow boots looked better than his green/white head yesterday. Very sick puppy.

For shame, imagine someone going out the night before a match:D
I noticed you were up late too on Saturday night Lar:eek:
26/03/2007, 7:30 PM
Fairkop

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Originally Posted by ldmc8myhamster

I have been involved in Limerick Junior Football for 16 years now and played in almost every division. Stumbled across this thread by mistake. Must say I have seen Coonagh A & B play this season, and the A team is not a patch on their B team. Was at the Coonagh Caherconlish game and Coonagh destroyed them. I only recently heard Caherconlish were awarded the points, due to a technicality about a previous game where Coonagh had won 7-1!! Typical LDMC, these guys are like bouncers, one night a week they get a chance to feel important to the detriment of everyone else. At home I bet their wives wear the trousers and probably beat them around the place as well. LDMC is their weekly fix of power. None of these guys have played football before. Caherconlish should do the decent thing and withdraw their appeal, they were outclassed in every position for 90 minutes and now look to win the league on a technicality, bad sportsmanship. Anyone that was in Coonagh that morning know who the real league champions are.

hi hamster,think you have done a pretty poor job at disguising your obvious coonagh connections......technicality...bad sportsmanship....the greatest discipline of all competition is to adhere to the rules,if you dont you get punished.the constant references by you and others on this site to the ....real champs....has been very disrespectful to all the other teams in this particuliar division,the town gave their answer to that on sun.a league is a marathon not a sprint.
27/03/2007, 2:20 PM
Jock MIB

Divisonal cup

hi,

Got St Pats this Saturday night at St Pats,

i have read earlier post with Cup Competitions and there is a rule that if the game is cancelled due to unplayable pitch team loses home advantage does that apply to Divisional Cup games as well

Just Curious
27/03/2007, 2:27 PM
larrywhite

Hi Jock,

I think it may be if the game is cancelled twice. Teams get 2 chances to host the game and after that it iss switched. That was the case anyway unless it has been changed.

Cant imagine any pitches being unplayable with this weather.
27/03/2007, 3:10 PM
ShelsLimerick

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

hi,

Got St Pats this Saturday night at St Pats,

i have read earlier post with Cup Competitions and there is a rule that if the game is cancelled due to unplayable pitch team loses home advantage does that apply to Divisional Cup games as well

Just Curious

Played St Pats last Sunday in the league. It is impossible to play any decent football on their pitch. Our own two pitches are not exactly Wembley but at least both goals are at the same altitude.
28/03/2007, 2:22 PM
rocksalot

i agree with u shels they should have to level up that pitch its a disgrace.it is impossible to play football on
28/03/2007, 2:58 PM
see's it

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Originally Posted by ShelsLimerick

Played St Pats last Sunday in the league. It is impossible to play any decent football on their pitch. Our own two pitches are not exactly Wembley but at least both goals are at the same altitude.

same altitude thats a classic
28/03/2007, 3:13 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by rocksalot

i agree with u shels they should have to level up that pitch its a disgrace.it is impossible to play football on

if you know someone who can afford to do it, i will assume St Pats would love to have it leveled
28/03/2007, 4:58 PM
abbeyvale

Division 3A Table & Fixtures

Castle Rvs Pl 12 / Pts 31
Balla "C" Pl 11 / Pts 25
Meanus Pl 11 / Pts 16
Bilboa Pl 11 / Pts 12
Ballylanders Pl 11 / Pts 12
Trinity Pl 11 / Pts 11
Dines "B" Pl 11 / Pts 8
A/A Pl 10 / Pts 8

Sat 31.03.07.......18:15
Meanus v A/A
Dines v Castke Rvs
Balla v Trinity
28/03/2007, 5:03 PM
abbeyvale

Division 3B Table

Caherconlish Pl 12 / Pts 34
HTown Pl 12 / Pts 25
Coonagh Pl 11 / Pts 23
Moyross Pl 12 / Pts 18
Parkville Pl 11 / Pts 10
Summerville Pl 11 / Pts 8
St.Pauls Pl 12 / Pts 6
Murroe Pl 9 / Pts 5

3B Cup Fixtures
Sun 01/04/07...........2pm
Murroe v Moyross
Coonagh v Parkville
28/03/2007, 5:07 PM
abbeyvale

Divsion 4A Table & Fixtures

Cappamore Pl 11 / Pts 26
St.Pauls Pl 11 / Pts 26
Mungret "C" Pl 12 / Pts 22
Knockainey Pl 12 / Pts 18
Shannon Pl 10 / Pts 13
Athlunkard Pl 12 / Pts 12
Mungret "B" Pl 11 / Pts 7
Shels Pl 11 / Pts 3

League
Sat 31.03.07........18:15
Shannon v Cappamore
Mungret B v Shels

Cup
Sun 01.04.07........10.30
Knockainey v Athlunkard
28/03/2007, 5:11 PM
abbeyvale

Division 4B Table & Fixtures

Shels C Pl 12 / Pts 33
Croom Pl 11 / Pts 30
St.Pauls Pl 12 / Pts 15
Holycross Pl 12 / Pts 14
St.Pats Pl 11 / Pts 13
Prospect Pl 10 / Pts 10
Parkville Pl 9 / Pts 6
Dromore Pl 11 / Pts 6

League
Sat 31.03.07..........18:15
Prospect v Cals

Cup
Sat 31.03.07...........18:15
St.Pats v Holycross
29/03/2007, 1:49 PM
rocksalot

fair point holycrossjock but that doesnt change the fact it is a ridiculous slope to have to try and play on. i used to think the pitch behind the cats cradle was bad but at least that was a slope across the pitch. the st pats pitch is so bad u would need a pitching wedge to get it up the hill.
29/03/2007, 3:03 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by rocksalot

fair point holycrossjock but that doesnt change the fact it is a ridiculous slope to have to try and play on. i used to think the pitch behind the cats cradle was bad but at least that was a slope across the pitch. the st pats pitch is so bad u would need a pitching wedge to get it up the hill.

now i know alot about golf and i can definatley say it would take a nice 9 iron to get up the top of the hill:D
29/03/2007, 11:24 PM
rocksalot

ah u musnt be as good at golf as me so its definetly only a pitching wedge
30/03/2007, 8:44 AM
larrywhite

Knowing what Jock does Monday to Friday Im sure he means a 9 iron from the road in front of the cats cradle all the way up to the far touchline at the top of the hill. :D

A pitching wedge for us mere mortals from one sideline to the other. :(
30/03/2007, 12:52 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by rocksalot

ah u musnt be as good at golf as me so its definetly only a pitching wedge

if you come to Ballyneety and ask for a lesson, i can show you how good at golf i am rocksalot :D
30/03/2007, 12:53 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

Knowing what Jock does Monday to Friday Im sure he means a 9 iron from the road in front of the cats cradle all the way up to the far touchline at the top of the hill. :D

A pitching wedge for us mere mortals from one sideline to the other. :(

hey larry, you know i am always available to help your golf, but it will cost you...lets say your best striker :D
30/03/2007, 1:07 PM
larrywhite

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

hey larry, you know i am always available to help your golf, but it will cost you...lets say your best striker :D

It would cost me a lot more than a striker to help my game. :D
30/03/2007, 1:25 PM
rocksalot

actually st pats pitch is as hilly as ballyneety so maybe u r right and it is a 9 iron.but u still wouldnt play soccer on d hills of ballyneety so why play on the hill of patrickswell
30/03/2007, 3:02 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by rocksalot

actually st pats pitch is as hilly as ballyneety so maybe u r right and it is a 9 iron.but u still wouldnt play soccer on d hills of ballyneety so why play on the hill of patrickswell

because the fixture says St Pats versus Holycross :D
30/03/2007, 3:09 PM
larrywhite

Damn FS...always conspiring against ye. ;)
30/03/2007, 5:14 PM
Jock MIB

:D

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

Damn FS...always conspiring against ye. ;)

least it leaves us free to have few drinks on saturday night :D
31/03/2007, 11:41 AM
larrywhite

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

:D

least it leaves us free to have few drinks on saturday night :D

If you have a few too many you might not even notice the slope on the pitch. :D
31/03/2007, 12:42 PM
see's it

lads who have the worst pitches in limerick? st.pats and st.pauls spring to mind straight away
31/03/2007, 12:46 PM
Jock MIB

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Originally Posted by see's it

lads who have the worst pitches in limerick? st.pats and st.pauls spring to mind straight away

most pitches after the irish winter especially ours :D lisnagry's and bruff's wouldn't be far off
31/03/2007, 6:19 PM
kingofkillteely

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Originally Posted by see's it

lads who have the worst pitches in limerick? st.pats and st.pauls spring to mind straight away

I'll second that. Bruff with the electricity cables going across is another. Glenview, summerville, kilteely, it's a long list.

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