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11/01/2006, 3:27 PM
macdermesser

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Originally Posted by Hither green

Dalglish: They'd both be mumbling too much to make the conversation of any use at all.

Atkinson: Would you ask this man for advice?...Well would you?

Taylor: We've had enough of agricultural football thank you.

Charlton: Gone fishing.

McCarthy: I think he's a bit busy with his own problems.

Gregory: Whatever happened to John Gregory anyway... hmm?

Evans: [See under "Gregory"]

Houllier: [See under "Atkinson"]

Souness: [See under "McCarthy"]

Ah I see .. that answered my question. So better that the FAI pays 250k to the wise old English man. Sort of a variation on the theme of third world countries employing the likes of Troussier and Schaefer etc etc

I think you know what I was getting at. Staunton ought to have enough contacts in the game not for the FAI to be shelling out that sort of money in what looks to be a face-saving exercise.

Still, at least they'll recoup some of that back with the 7,500 euro corporate tickets:rolleyes:
11/01/2006, 3:32 PM
Greenbod

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Originally Posted by Peadar

Everyone is blowing on about Staunton being a great motivator but motivation will count for little when he comes face to face with a disciplined team and a tactically proficient coach.

Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?
11/01/2006, 3:34 PM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by pete

Exactly. Seems like the FAI have released this to judge public reaction & are not passing out more information justifying their position based on that public reaction. :rolleyes:

Paying Robson 250k for an "advisor" role is crazy money which i'm sure he found impossible to turn down. An advisor will have no responsibility for results so no accountability. 500k for someone coming from player-coach at walsall (i'd guess currently on alsolute maxium 250k) is also pretty clever negotiating...

For all we know Staunton could just be an observor at Walsall training sessions or be the ballboy. AFAIK he has no coaching badges so a complete novice.

I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
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Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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11/01/2006, 3:35 PM
NeilMcD

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not. This is my main problem with the appointment its a shot in the dark. When you buy a player, or hire a manager you should try to cut down the amount of uncertainty, there is going to be an element of it but the less of it the better. This appointment has far too much of a gamble about it for my liking.
11/01/2006, 3:38 PM
Reality Bites

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote
11/01/2006, 3:45 PM
klein4

:D

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
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Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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scraping the barrell here owlsfan....you obviously have no answer to any of the criticisms of the fai that have been raised on this thread and are reduced to the above...very selective in your responses as well.....:D
11/01/2006, 3:45 PM
Greenbod

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not.

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?
11/01/2006, 3:46 PM
NeilMcD

I dont think they have leaked it to judge public reaction I just think they have leaded it as they are very unprofessional and dont know how to do an appointment properly they have not appointed one manager under satisfactory circumstances. All of the last 3 appointments have been **** ups. Whether the guy was the right choice is neither here nor there but how they were appointed by the FAI were disasters and this is the same. Why did they tell Dervan select info and get him to go on the Hub to release it.
11/01/2006, 3:47 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Greenbod

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?

Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.
11/01/2006, 3:49 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Reality Bites

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote

Cascarino says in his article today that it was Whelan. Now either you are wrong, cascarino is wrong or else that Staunton regularly went around telling players to **** off when they bossed him about.
11/01/2006, 3:49 PM
Stuttgart88

Hopefully Delaney will get a grilling at the Press Conference if he even attends. He cited as a requirement of the job the ability to react tactically during a game. In fact everything Delaney said around the time of Kerr's dismissal should be thrown back at him for him to justify.

I'm still glad Kerr's gone though.
11/01/2006, 3:52 PM
klein4

I would be surprised if it is thrown back it him. he seems to get a very easy ride off the media.
11/01/2006, 3:53 PM
Greenbod

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.

So you don't know.
11/01/2006, 3:55 PM
Hither green

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Originally Posted by Greenbod

Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

I've got grave reservations about this appointment but trying to look on the bright side I generally agree with you. The team will largely pick itself and what you want from a manager is the ability to bring through new players; tactical skills and motivational skills. Kerr did precious little to bring through new players and his motivational skills were questionable. There's just one big question mark with Staunton, but if he can motivate the players then he's one up on Kerr and we'll hve to see about tactics and the rest. [Hey Peadar any chance of a smilie with its fingers crossed?] :)
11/01/2006, 3:55 PM
Peadar

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Originally Posted by Greenbod

And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

You're got this arse ways, Greenbod. In order to get the job, Staunton should have shown evidence that he is tactically proficient. I don't need proof that he isn't, the proof is that he has never shown he is.

It doesn't matter how you dress this up, Delaney cited reasons for sacking Kerr and has gone on to hire a novice with no proven ability in this type of role, at any level.
11/01/2006, 3:55 PM
NeilMcD

I never said he was bad tactically but my point is that it is the wrong way around. YOu should know that they are good before you appoint them. Its not up to the supporters to find out examples that they are bad tactically. It should be obvious that they are good tactially before they even get the job.
11/01/2006, 3:58 PM
Den Perry

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown
11/01/2006, 3:59 PM
NeilMcD

FAI interview Proces

Delaney Hello Stan how are you. So you are intersted in the Ireland job. Would you a be a good fella there now and turn on the computer

Staunton No Bother ( turns on Computer and loads up the disc he is given)

Delaney Now Stan as you have no experience of a top class side or to be honest of any side we would like you to take charge of Ireland on Championship Manager 05. This should give us an insight into your tactical knowledge and also help you getting to know the players strengths and weakness.

Staunton: No Bother

Staunton goes on to qualify for Euro 2008 during the all day CM 05 Session

Delaney Well done Stan, you have qualified for Euro 2008 and now you have the Ireland job. Can you start in March and just in case you f%ck up Bobby Robson is going to help you out

Staunton No Bother.
11/01/2006, 3:59 PM
Stuttgart88

to digress a little: any RTE or 2FM radio or coverage on all this tonight, or any other night? I can get RTE radio through my TV package. Isn't there a comprehensive sports round-up on Friday evenings?
11/01/2006, 4:02 PM
Hither green

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown

You've asked that several times now, in desperation perhaps?
11/01/2006, 4:05 PM
NeilMcD

Dan I told you earlier, Cathal Dervan was on the Hub last night. He was speaking to Staunton and Delaney and he said that next week there will be a press conference on Monday and that Staunton will be unveiled as Ireland manager. They told him to go onto the show and say this. I think thats as much of a done deal as possible. The only delay is to tie up a few loose ends etc.
11/01/2006, 4:09 PM
Jerry The Saint

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Cascarino says in his article today that it was Whelan. Now either you are wrong, cascarino is wrong or else that Staunton regularly went around telling players to **** off when they bossed him about.

I remember reading an interview where Staunton said that Alan Hansen made him cry on a number of occasions when he first joined Liverpool. Apparently Hansen regularly tormented youngsters who were new to the job and lacking in confidence. The idea was that it would force them out of their shell, as it seemed to do with Staunton (alternatively it could make them quit in despair:( ).

What I'm saying is that the FAI should have appointed Hansen as mentor/advisor - "That's absolutely terrible management, Stan. You have to say you'll be very disappointed with that sh!te." Even if it didn't work it would make for some excellent press conferences! :)
11/01/2006, 4:24 PM
wallis

Tonights Herald

(sorry for posting this twice )

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I dont have access to it (seeing as I live in England), but Ive been told by a mate of mine that Paul Hyland has wrote an article claiming that SS might not get the job due to media and fans pressure.

It also states that for SS to get the position he must be voted on by the 10 man committee and this looks to be uncertain

Can anyone confirm this or am I being wound up ?
11/01/2006, 4:29 PM
wallis

Oh , and I know its been asked before but does anyone know if he DOES have the coaching qualifications for the job. Im assuming he must do, but on the other hand does he need them ? Do you need UEFA badges to coach international teams ?
11/01/2006, 4:32 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

to digress a little: any RTE or 2FM radio or coverage on all this tonight, or any other night? I can get RTE radio through my TV package. Isn't there a comprehensive sports round-up on Friday evenings?

Newstalk 106 have a podcast from Off The Ball (nightly sports show) on their website - www.newstalk106.ie - you'll need a podcast listener (I use iTunes) to subscribe to it. Updated daily.
It's about 30 minutes of talk on the main issues of the day, right now it's all Staunton.
11/01/2006, 4:50 PM
pete

The only upshot of this whole mess is that will be absolutely zero expectations for 2008 qualifiers. However bad Stan does no one will be surprised.

If I knew zero experience & no evidence of tactical ineptitude were the requirements for the Ireland job then we'd all have applied & qualified.
11/01/2006, 5:19 PM
pete

This says it all...
11/01/2006, 5:27 PM
Karlos

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Originally Posted by wallis

Oh , and I know its been asked before but does anyone know if he DOES have the coaching qualifications for the job. Im assuming he must do, but on the other hand does he need them ? Do you need UEFA badges to coach international teams ?

I've discussed this on another thread before. You are not required to have the UEFA pro licence to coach at International Level as you are in the Premier League. As far as I know Staunton does have some UEFA qualifications (possibly UEFA B or A) just not the pro licence. UEFA are in the process of trying to make this mandatory for International Coaches but run into issues with the likes of Faroe Islands, liechtenstein where the assocaition may not have a ready supply of UEFA Pro licencee's or the finances to pay one.

As a benchmark however in Europe almost all of the countires will ask their candidates to have that qualification. I'm nearly sure Voller and Rijkaard had it but not sure on Klinsmann and as far as I can remember Hughes got it while coach of Wales however he did have Eddie Nezinski (can never spell or pronounce it), current Blackburn Assistant and Former Arsenal Reserve Team coach on his staff who as far as i know is a pro licence holder. It's possible that all of these first time managers had pro-licence coaches on their staff and achieved the grade themselves during this time of their reign. International Football is probably the easiest place to get this what with having the time to complete that course inbetween national games. As far as I know, Bobby Robson has been one of the assessors on the pro-course, along with the likes of Andy Roxburgh, Guy Roux etc so that might be our experience there straight away.
11/01/2006, 5:29 PM
WeAreRovers

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallis

I dont have access to it (seeing as I live in England), but Ive been told by a mate of mine that Paul Hyland has wrote an article claiming that SS might not get the job due to media and fans pressure.

It also states that for SS to get the position he must be voted on by the 10 man committee and this looks to be uncertain

Can anyone confirm this or am I being wound up ?

That's about the size of it. as I posted earlier, they quite deliberately leaked the news to gauge public and media reaction so expect a change of heart and Venables/Rainieri/Alf Ramsay to be appointed.

To quote Cathal Dervan - "The FAI have a very good PR team" :D

KOH
11/01/2006, 6:53 PM
wallis

Thank you for that.

Karlos , excellent reply cheers
11/01/2006, 6:53 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by KarlosIRL

I've discussed this on another thread before. You are not required to have the UEFA pro licence to coach at International Level as you are in the Premier League. As far as I know Staunton does have some UEFA qualifications (possibly UEFA B or A) just not the pro licence.

It was reported that Mc Donald has the pro license.
There are enough diploma's,badges and trophies on this possible managerial team to fill the dressing room.
11/01/2006, 10:26 PM
FarBeag

Maybe its old news but Staunton has parted company with Walsall so it looks like the job is his.
11/01/2006, 10:39 PM
onenilgameover

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

The fact that the FAI is allowing all of this speculation over the exact roles etc. is the biggest shambles of all. Having been positive because I assumed Robson's role would be significant I'm reserving further judgment until the FAI spells out the facts. It's a ****ing shambles and disrespectful to all concerned.

Fair point....it needs to come to an end but the fai couldnt give a **** their rep is already in taters.
11/01/2006, 10:53 PM
blutil

best thing to come out of this ->

http://www.cafepress.com/irelandsoccer.43983358 from here
11/01/2006, 11:18 PM
Closed Account 2

I tought it was going to be Sean O'Driscoll, currently at Bournemouth
12/01/2006, 7:30 AM
Stuttgart88

When I did a google search for John Carver on Tuesday to see his CV it displayed who he did his coaching licences with. Sean O'Driscoll was one. Kevin Sheedy another.
12/01/2006, 4:28 PM
eirebhoy

I just seen an ad on Setanta saying they'll show the Press Conference live on Monday.
13/01/2006, 7:02 AM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I just seen an ad on Setanta saying they'll show the Press Conference live on Monday.

Steve Staunton - Manager
Kevin McDonald - Assistant Manager/Coach
Alan Kelly - Goalkeeping Coach
Bobby Robson - Technical Consultant
13/01/2006, 8:31 AM
nedder

Although not my first choice by a long shot for manager, I'll support Stan 100%
I suppose i'm hopeful ( rather than confident)and kinda excited about a new set up.
I think Bobby Robson will be a big help to Stan.
I'm prerared to stick my neck on the line here, but if I was to bet on Staunton being considered success or failure, I'm saying success.
13/01/2006, 8:56 AM
Stuttgart88

fair play nedder.

Trwaling the press online this morning I thought the UK's Telegraph summarised things best (in a wittily headlined article "Stan Must Earn his Laurels"):

Despite being his country's most-capped international with 102, his appointment, with Robson as his assistant - to be confirmed on Monday - has been greeted with more grief than glee in Ireland. Most of the criticism has been directed at the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) rather than the management team. Having sacked Brian Kerr for failing to ensure World Cup qualification, the FAI have taken three months to appoint a pair who would have been available immediately.

The general feeling is that it should have been a reverse appointment, with the inexperienced Staunton (36), player-assistant coach to Paul Merson at Walsall, learning from Robson (72), whose first stint in management was in 1968 with Fulham, a few months before Staunton was born.

As I maintain, it's not so much the quality of the appointments, which in hindsight is as good or bad as we could have expected, it's the manner of the appointments whick irks me.

I'm still grateful it's not Venables, and also O'Leary who is a self-serving spoofer of the highest order.

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