Daryl Murphy

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I wouldn't defend Mr. Benitez too often but I think he can only be seen as shrewd in this situation. He basically signed Murphy as a third choice striker and he has come in really useful in Mitrovic's absence, he may have even jumped ahead of him in the pecking order. The Championship is a long hard season and Benitez recognised there would be times when players are injured or need to be rested. The most important thing from Murphy's point of view was to take his chance if and when it came and it's brilliant that he's done that.

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have to agree with this - murphy is doing exactly the job he was brought in to do, which is score goals when the first choice strikers (gayle and mitrovic) are injured or not in form. i also think that benitez was originally thinking 4-4-2 but has found a 4-4-1-1 / 4-3-3 more effective with one central striker.

it's arguably also the case that murphy has now made himself 2nd choice striker which is quite good going. mitrovic is no mug, scored twice against austria and once v wales in our group for example, and gayle is the player of the championship so far.

murphy has had to bide his time to some extent and take his chance when it came, and fair play to him he is doing that so far.

Not even on the bench today.

Pretty safe to say he won't benefit from promotion.

Great resilience shown by Murphy to double Newcastle's lead away to Huddersfield.

'He has earned his shot'

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/he-earned-shot-newcastle-fans-12692625

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The Irish forward impressed off the bench on Tuesday night and was largely credited for changing the game in Newcastle’s 2-1 win at Brighton.

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Start him v Wales.

Newcastle are a better team with him on the pitch.

Big show of faith in Murphy as he is chosen to lead the line against Reading at Gayle's expense.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Big show of faith in Murphy as he is chosen to lead the line against Reading at Gayle's expense.

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Subbed after 75 and Gayle, who has been carrying an injury, replaced him.

Murphy presses his case for a start against Wales with another goal this afternoon.

Newcastle trail 1-3 now.

They trailed 0-3 before his introduction off the bench.

O'Neill said: "Daryl Murphy is giving himself a chance. He's not ruled out yet. "We'll see what happens with the scan."

Read more at: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/...rphy-1-8447999

Interesting turn of phrase.

Scored today but Newcastle went down 3-1 at Ipswich and are looking less assured of their automatic promotion spot. McGoldrick scored for Ipswich and Ciaran Clark still out injured.

Best Newcastle player against Ipswich according to this: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport...tment-12907901

I am trawling through his Soccerbase profile ATM and I see that 9 of the Ipswich players who started against Cardiff on 09 March 2010 were either Irish, Northern Irish or eligible for Ireland. Surely that's some kind of record!

The lad who was eligible for ROI was David Norris. Forgotten man Shane O'Connor completed a rare 90 minutes in that outing also.

O'Connor plays for Waterford now. Probably only in the last year or so starting to show the promise he had then, but probably won't even be a top LOI Premier player at this point.

"Rafa Benitez explains why Daryl Murphy is a 'calming' influence for his Newcastle team-mates": http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport...urphy-12928131

'Newcastle’s Daryl Murphy gives interview back home in Ireland about a dramatic 9 months': http://www.themag.co.uk/2017/05/newc...EIEwh.facebook

What's the consensus on Daryl's prospects of staying with Newcastle next season?

I think they are marginal, but, I personally think he could be a worthwhile plan b for them.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

What's the consensus on Daryl's prospects of staying with Newcastle next season?

I think they are marginal, but, I personally think he could be a worthwhile plan b for them.

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i expect he will be kept on. newcastle have some money to spend but not a vast amount. they are currently trying to bring in tammy abraham on loan but he will be there to compete with dwight gayle / cover him if injured. mitrovic and murphy offer something different.

i would say that he will be there until christmas and if not getting any game time at all could be loaned out to a championship club for the remainder of the season (and his contract, which expires in june 2018).

Rafa Benitez was in Dublin yesterday and spoke about his Irish contingent at Newcastle, as well as the prospect of trying to sign James McCarthy (or not) - http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...le-455152.html

Edit - I see elsewhere that Newcastle and Crystal Palace are interested in West Ham's Adrian, which could have knock-on consequences for both Elliot & Randolph. - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-move-10822943

Looks like Murphy is going to Nottingham Forest for around £2m - http://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/...capture-218933

Another goal for Murphy. Nabs an equalizer away to Barnsley.

Good to see him score regularly with upcoming qualifiers.
Though the Newcastle move was, no doubt, financially good for him I felt he was a bit short-changed as he rarely started but still managed to score when called upon. Then was let go as soon as they were promoted.

He couldn't have done much more you are right.

Video of Murphy's goal for Forest against Aston Villa: https://streamable.com/13lo0

Good finish.

Another goal tonight at home vs Fulham. Arguably earnt a starting spot, especially with Walters out?

McGoldrick with a goal too...

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Originally Posted by zero

Another goal tonight at home vs Fulham. Arguably earnt a starting spot, especially with Walters out?

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I would think so. Even if he wasn't playing well he'd be the natural replacement in O'Neill's eyes you would think. He seems to be getting closer to his Ipswich form from three years ago. Good move for him even if Forest themselves don't look like doing too much.

Probably not a massive surprise, Daryl Murphy has called time on his international career: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-36536470.html - With Doyle already gone and Walters likely to follow, I guess we should be really thankful that Maguire seems to have made the grade, that Hogan has come on board and has rediscovered his form and that O'Brien is starting to score more at Championship level

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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr

Probably not a massive surprise, Daryl Murphy has called time on his international career: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-36536470.html - With Doyle already gone and Walters likely to follow, I guess we should be really thankful that Maguire seems to have made the grade, that Hogan has come on board and has rediscovered his form and that O'Brien is starting to score more at Championship level

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The issue for MON is that none of the 3 you have mentnioned there have the physicality to offer what Murphy offered. All are a few inches shy of 6 foot. Maybe Martin will re-discover Cillian Sheridan's phone number for March.

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Originally Posted by Olé Olé

The issue for MON is that none of the 3 you have mentnioned there have the physicality to offer what Murphy offered. All are a few inches shy of 6 foot. Maybe Martin will re-discover Cillian Sheridan's phone number for March.

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Actually Hogan is 5'11", according to his Wikipedia page, an inch shorter than Walters. And if our tactics over the last few years were predicated on the abilities and limitations of our players, shouldn't our tactics change if there is a change in these abilities and limitations - to fit a forward line that is less physical but more mobile? Six or seven months ago we were fearing that Cillian Sheridan would have to be one of our short-term options and hoping against hope that he would tear up the Polish First Division (he hasn't). So now three definite options have emerged (with two other potentials) at Premier League and Championship level and we're going to ignore them or have room for only one? Hopefully not.

My point was that's an issue for MON- not me. He seemed to default to the physical option. And I think Walters has a leap and style that makes him a physical handful for the bigger defenders even.

You can still play direct without a target man if your forwards have pace -- instead of balls lobbed up toward your target men to hold up the ball or flick it on, you send balls down the channels for forwards to latch on to it and cut it back toward the middle.

A guy like Long is ideally suited to that role of chasing balls into corners.

Requires playing 4-4-2 though which is out of style and may leave us vulnerable in midfield.

Murphy's career is interesting. Pretty much from a scoring point of view three great years at Ipswich where everything he hit found the back of the net. For the rest his strike is from poor to average. His first few appearances in an Irish shirt under MON were embarrassing where his control and first touch were terrible and the game passed him by. However, to be fair to him I thought his confidence grew and the goal against Serbia was special and he was a deserving member of the squad. I have heard some people say he was not "international class" but international football is by and large weaker than club football from the top tiers. If you look at the mid-ranking countries most of their players are drawn from the average club sides and many from lower divisions. I didn't rate Murphy AT ALL when he first turned out for us but latterly he did a job for us and will be missed.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Murphy's career is interesting. Pretty much from a scoring point of view three great years at Ipswich where everything he hit found the back of the net. For the rest his strike is from poor to average. His first few appearances in an Irish shirt under MON were embarrassing where his control and first touch were terrible and the game passed him by. However, to be fair to him I thought his confidence grew and the goal against Serbia was special and he was a deserving member of the squad. I have heard some people say he was not "international class" but international football is by and large weaker than club football from the top tiers. If you look at the mid-ranking countries most of their players are drawn from the average club sides and many from lower divisions. I didn't rate Murphy AT ALL when he first turned out for us but latterly he did a job for us and will be missed.

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You're selling him a bit short. Celtic did not turn out to be a good club for him, he matured late, took 2 seasons at Ipswich to find his real worth in his last 3 seasons there. Since Ipswich, with Newcastle and Nottm Forest he has maintained that very good goal to game ratio.

He was 27 when he joined Celtic and was often played on the wing for Sunderland prior to that. He probably was a late developer.

I just realised he will turn 35 in March. It actually is the best time possible for him (and probably the others which we know are imminent) to retire. He would be just shy of 36 for the kick off of the next qualifying campaign.

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I have heard some people say he was not "international class" but international football is by and large weaker than club football from the top tiers. If you look at the mid-ranking countries most of their players are drawn from the average club sides and many from lower divisions. I didn't rate Murphy AT ALL when he first turned out for us but latterly he did a job for us and will be missed.

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It's a pretty loose term alright but I would consider every team in our group from the last campaign (bar Moldova) to be well ahead of any team you'd find in the Championship, where Murphy played his most productive football. So in that sense, it was definitely a step up for him.

I like Murphy but I don't think he'll be a loss really. One less battering ram option could be a good thing in fact, maybe force a change of approach. He was never really a handful in the same way that Walters was at his best. I'm happy for him that he scored a couple of important goals for us before signing off though.

I hate to break it to you DeLo but one less battering ram isn't going to change our approach. It will merely change the urgency of our approach to unearthing another battering ram.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I hate to break it to you DeLo but one less battering ram isn't going to change our approach. It will merely change the urgency of our approach to unearthing another battering ram.

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Probably something in that, O'Brien over McGoldrick in recent times points toward it anyway. I realise McGoldrick is taller but O'Brien more in the Walters / Murphy mould of player maybe.

O'Brien has bulked up a lot over the past two years I think. I think he'd be more in the Long mould overall but probably would be expected to stand in one place like Murphy and Walters for Ireland.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I hate to break it to you DeLo but one less battering ram isn't going to change our approach. It will merely change the urgency of our approach to unearthing another battering ram.

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Yeah that was in the back of my mind as I was typing, but I'm not sure we have another battering ram that could be justified by O'Neill as being anywhere near the required standard. Walters might stay on though. Not having one probably won't stop us pumping it up to Long or Maguire or whoever though!

O'Neill's first preference was to have a type of football where Murphy was deemed more suited to and selected ahead of Long for both play-off games.
It's a sure sign of the current levels of desperation that a hope for O'Neill to change his (evil) ways would depend upon him (his back to the wall) being forced through retirements to look elsewhere for options, which might (just might) be talented enough to such a degree that it would effect a revolution in the way the game is played under O'Neill.
And even if one does hold that hope, it only lasts for a mere moment or two as the light fades rapidly away from it.

Funny thing is, despite his shape and size Murphy was utterly brutal as a lone forward / hold up man / target man. The ball never stuck even on those occasions he got to it.

The side angle TV replay of McClean failing to see an unmarked Murphy six yards out when 2-1 down in Lyon will haunt me forever!

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

The side angle TV replay of McClean failing to see an unmarked Murphy six yards out when 2-1 down in Lyon will haunt me forever!

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As much as Houghton's one on one with the English keeper in Wembley ?