NOBODY and i mean NOBODY at Dundalk ever expected Bermo or GIF( ;)) to follow SOD to OP. Shurr Bermos playing with the DSP anyway isn't he :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
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NOBODY and i mean NOBODY at Dundalk ever expected Bermo or GIF( ;)) to follow SOD to OP. Shurr Bermos playing with the DSP anyway isn't he :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
Sure they didn't pal. Sure they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
SOD first interview online now from DFC, spoke very positively.
Wonder will any current out of contract Pats players follow him, I would imagine some might, but either way should be news next week on new contracts and new recruits to the club.
https://twitter.com/DundalkFC/status...798043149?s=20
Every new manager's first interview at every new club drips with positivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Thats true, but he also recognised its going to be a re-set / re-boot needed, and that's fair.
Any footage of Ollie's 1st interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
I thought Pats fans confirmed to the twitter and foot.ie universe based on information leaked out from their board on the same night O'Donnell told them he was going that O'Donnell had willing signed a new contract in September and decided he wanted to opt out after the cup final and that he was now a snake?Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Never heard that once. In this day and age anyone can go online and say they heard it from someone who knows someone who walks their dogs with someone on the board. I’ve heard nothing anyway semi official the whole episode is being kept very tight. That’s why I reckon it’s defo gone the legal road.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Do you seriously not think its time to move on, Pats have a new manager, Dundalk have a new manager, its old news now.
Come on oriel, you posted about the new Dundalk manager less than 24 hours ago. :) I get that Dundalk might prefer for everyone to pretend it was a normal, nothing-to-see-here move but it's not quite old news just yet.
What’s the big issue discussing the current goings on in the league on a LOI forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
The problem Dundalk have is that unlike most clubs who don't want to go legal as they cant afford the bills Kelleher is a man with both money and a strong set of Principles.
If he think s he is right he will pursue it, he doesn't need the money.
I've no idea if he's right or wrong re the contract for SOD but unlike in most situations like this in the LOI it wont go away due to people not having the resources to play the game out to the end.
I suspect this will run and run but its irrelevant now from a footballing perspective.
The other problem for Dundalk I guess is that a couple of weeks ago, Dundalk fans were pointing out that Pat's, Bohs and Dundalk all had the same number of players under contract (ie one). Since then, Bohs have tied up 11 contracts, Pat's have presumably sorted a few (though is Bermingham the only one they've announced?) while Dundalk look to have lost two more to Derry. So while there's still plenty of players out there, they seem to already be falling behind the clubs you'd imagine would be their main Euro rivals for next season.
Oh there is absolutely no doubt Dundalk are way behind on player movement, both trying to retain and recruit, but hopefully we will see some news on this later this week.
My point was more on the posts on SOD leaving / left Pats, if there is still bitterness on that, they need to get over themselves, SK left DFC to join Ireland u21, Higgins left DFC to join him later, then left FAI to join Derry, it happens all the time.
Yeah he won’t let this one just go I’m afraid. He appointed a a person with a legal background to the board last year. It’s safe to assume he feels aggrieved after giving SOD his first job in coaching. The courts may ultimately decide the issue in the long run and in meantime we can entertain ourselves by making wild unfounded assertions on the subject. I wouldn’t have much animosity towards Dundalk on the issue even if they could be accused of playing a tad dirty. Every club will do the best for themselves to the detriment of their rivals. If SOD doesn’t want to be Pats manager then he isn’t wanted. I do think that if a contract was in place then it should mean something. Time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I don’t think any Pats fan (and probably not even Garrett Kelleher) would have had a real issue if Dundalk had done their business openly in the accepted way between football clubs - asking permission to speak to SOD and negotiating an agreement to release him from his contract. The bone of contention is that Pats appear to believe they have evidence that he was in discussion with Dundalk well before the cup final and the delay in re-signing players has to be seen in that context. If they do have such evidence (and I have no idea whether they do) it will destroy his reputation in court and will be very damaging for the new owners of Dundalk who presumably have to be mindful of their own reputation as their business is based on selling services to sports clubs. As others have said, if Kelleher believes he is right he has the resources and willpower to go to the bitter end.
Georgie Kelly won’t be back at Bohs anyway,England or Scotland is his destination apparently….
There's a real change in tone from Pats fans, from being absolutely adamant on the facts to a more tempered 'if'. So are people protecting their legal case and toning down the noise or is there a drop in confidence that their case is concrete. There's no doubting Kelleher's will, he has bankrolled losses for his club for years, but will does not create a cast iron case. I doubt DFC will enter in to a court battle unless they too feel they have a good case.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Derry plan B - sign a Dundalk player.........Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Hahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Maybe they’ve already paid compo 😛.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Don’t see much change in tone from Pats fans. What’s absolutely clear is that Dundalk were talking to O’Donnell before the cup final, unless you believe that they contacted him in the few hours between the match finishing and the news breaking. What also seems clear, to me at any rate is that, is that at the absolute minimum O’Donnell seems to have received an offer of a new contract at Pats in September. Reports said that Pats position was that he had signed. ODonnell/Dundalk seem to have a different view. Whether Dundalk believed they were in the clear as regards approaching O’Donnell it does seem like poor form on his behalf. My guess is that a deal will be done quietly and we won’t see the matter in court.
Anyway, as regards moving on, I think in a football sense Pats fans certainly have. As was said above, if SOD didn’t want to be at Pats then we certainly don’t want him now.
I think that is plan A and B for Derry. Plan C is signing any siblings of Plan A and BQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Have a wander over to social media land there and you'll see that Pats fans have certainly not moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
I think the perception of change in tone comes from one poster in particular. Started very confidently that SOD and DFC were to be tried in the Hague to the softer ifs/buts/maybes and we'll never know stance.
Daniel Cleary to St Johnston a done deal apparently….
Actually SOD’s press conference has clarified a lot. He now acknowledges that he was under contract. He claims he had a “legal right” to end the contract by resigning. Pats appear adamant there was no such provision in the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
it seems to be a straightforward matter of whether there is or isn’t, which would take a court five minutes to settle by simply reading the contract. If there’s no provision, I presume we’ll be hearing about legal proceedings soon - unless compensation is paid.
Seems simple enough to clear up alright. And if there was a provision for him to simply give notice and resign, then Pats will look foolish and naïve in both their reaction to this and their initial contract to O’Donnell.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Why would it take a court to read the "contract", surely that can be done by any lawyer qualified in employment law. What makes this contract different from any other? I have a contract with my employer but can resign in the morningQuote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
That’s grand if that’s what your contract says.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Indeed. He also spoke about giving notice. Wonder what the notice period was ? Does this not also imply that Dundalk were talking to him unofficially ( otherwise known as “tapping up”). We all know that happens, so I wouldn’t be too moralistic about it, but it certainly doesn’t leave SOD or Dundalk on the high moral ground. He also said he decided to quit Pats on the Tuesday after the cup final, which personally I don’t believe for a nano second.Quote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Considering certain players have said that he told them a couple of hours after the final that he was off I wouldn't imagine he's being totally truthful on that front.
Just spoke to those players and they said you're lying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack B
Dan McDonnell’s article says that O’Donnell is confident that the terms of his contract meant he could give a weeks notice. Seems very short to me but if that turns out to be the case then it’s poor from Pats.
If it turns out not to be the case and Dundalk have to pay compensation then so be it. Either way Dundalk have got the manger they wanted while destabilising one of their rivals.
I didn’t see it reported anywhere that he told Pats players the night of the cup final that he was leaving. Maybe that’s just another rumour floated around to try to paint O’Donnell as the bad guy.
Throw up SOD's contract there so patslawyer and we'll put this to bedQuote:
Originally Posted by patsdad
Tapping up? Forbidding it is cartel behaviour, an agreement between employers to suppress wages. It reminds me of peasants having to get the laird's permission to marry. If someone tried to head-hunt me from my current employer and my current employer objected, I'd tell my employer to **** right off. But polite-like, via a solicitor. Would you put up with it from your boss?
Even in football, the rules around tapping up are a polite fiction: the vast majority of transfers are conducted with some element of it.
If that logic is accurate then why are transfer fees paid between clubs for players under contract. If football is the same as other industries then why can’t a player move from one club to another freely.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I haven’t seen it no more than you have (I presume?). As pointed out above, Pats would look very foolish going to court if there’s a notice clause in it. But SOD will look a lot worse things than foolish if Pats go to court because there’s no notice clause. I don’t know the answer and unless you’re posting on behalf of SOD you don’t either. But I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Evan Weir signed for Drogs - was with UCD b4 moving to Maynooth - Stu any feedback on him?
https://droghedaunited.ie/evan-weir-signs-for-drogheda-united/?fbclid=IwAR2I2dvwGvBuFLkZxQr90W-jmVLVoT3_9z4lzeKrOBQsB14r75_QYbqoyWY
Granted I've never seen him play but must be a decent prospect if he was involved in U21's. I'm hoping he's a right back too as it would still leave us with a slim chance of retaining Conor Kane.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanDrog
U19 international I think. Was on standby for the 21s that time the England-based players were about to be banned from going to Montenegro.
Decent free on him. Not the first name I'd have thought would move on tbh. I'm thinking maybe a Richie O'Farrell type signing for ye?
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint