Me too, but I also like players that are fit. Adam is rarely fit these days, so should focus on that for now.
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Me too, but I also like players that are fit. Adam is rarely fit these days, so should focus on that for now.
He himself must think hes fit enough to have a chance to make it. I'd much rather a player have that attitude than miss the International window only to play a couple days later for the club. He may still very well end up going back to Norwich after a couple of days because it becomes obvious that hes not gonna make it, but Jesus, how is anyone giving a lad anything but praise for turning up for us even when hes in doubt. Plenty of players have been hammered over the years for missing games too easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
He will be intensely focused on getting fit over the next few days, I hope it works out because I think hes an asset for us.
Teemu Pukki leaving Norwich at the end of the season. Be interesting to see what they do now. General view on the Norwich forum is there trying to shoehorn too many similar players (Pukki, Idah, Sargent) into the team together, including all three last week, even they only had one shot on target. General view too is Idah isn't up to top Championship level really and could benefit from a loan.
Looking like they'll miss out on the playoffs this season so they may opt for a rebuild to get promoted before their parachute payments run out
Time will tell of course
And dropped to the bench today, along with Pukki
Came on as a sub v Rotherham after 66 minutes.
Interviewed on the beautiful game podcast. Touches on some of the issues his constant injuries have had on him.
Replaced Pukki after 57 minutes, away at Middlesbrough. After the 5-1 thrashing by Boro, Idah was given Norwich's highest rating (6) in The Pink Un; Omobamidele (captain) was rated the lowest (3).
Actually scores a goal! On the end of a scramble with a minute of coming on as a sub
Great! Push on now Idah!! Strong finish to the season please
Started last week but was subbed off before halftime as Norwich went down to ten. Back on the bench today. Norwich have the feel of a side who simply don't know their starting lineup at all. An awful lot of changes lately
They have 2 points from 5 games, and are 6 points and 6 places off of the last playoff place with one game left. Maybe they're just experimenting.
If so, they started experimenting when they were seventh and about one point off the playoffs. They've seven points from ten games and any vaguely decent run of form in that time would have them top six now. I think there's been calls for the manager to be sacked of late too
I read too that they'd borrowed against their next season's parachute payments; if that's the case they could easily be a contender to drop to the third tier in the next couple of seasons.
On the bench for the game v relegated Blackpool; Lyons and Hamilton start for the visitors.
Not a great start to pre-season for Idah - one for Sergeant, three for Barnes but Idah missed two good chances when he came on, including a one-on-one, and was rated a 3 by the PinkUn website - https://www.pinkun.com/news/23642802...layer-ratings/
It's preseason ffs, since when does anyone care about player ratings in preseason
You can read into it what you want for sure
But not a great afternoon's work when his rivals for a starting place score four between them while Idah is missing big chances against a sixth tier side.
It's preseason, he probably missed a few chances in training last Thursday too, but I heard he was brilliant in the 5 a side game on Friday
I know he is a great lad who gives 100%
But I think he's an incredible average player. Championship at best.
A decent stricker needs that ability to be in the right place at the right time. I just don't see it here.
Preseason or not, it's hardly welcomed and will do nothing for his confidence if his team mates are banging in goals against pub teams and he's missing sitters. I mean, let's face it, he's hardly been prolific for them out of preseason. He's a player who needs a few goals to boost his confidence going into a new season and that's exactly what a good preseason is for and will do.
Not sure what relevance that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I know you think he's the second coming of Drogba and find all suggestions to the contrary to be almost offensive, but we have to be able to discuss games rationally. And yeah, it was a friendly - and I think we can take it as read that people can appreciate that fact - but his main rivals for starting places up front scored four in the first 50 minutes. On comes Idah - goals dry up immediately.
And on diggs' point about general ability, the highlights are below. That's a bad miss at 5:25 - typical of his lack of composure in front of goal unfortunately. And there's another chance at 6:30 where he tees himself up almost for an overhead kick or maybe a take-down in the box, but his teammate comes in for the cross in the right place and gets a good simple header on the ball and forces a good save and a corner - so positioning/decision making arguably not great there either. I think Stutts has called out that aspect of his game before. You could probably argue that's a little bit harsh - though the highlights then don't show a later one-on-one miss, so I think that balances out.
(Duffy's own goal is there at 4:35; it's a shocking error, though I didn't see you criticise my comment in his thread to the extent that it's best he get it out of the way in pre-season or similar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDuhxMszUDw
On the Norwich forum he was being called out as off the pace. Some of the comments after the game -
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What has he ever done to suggest he can have any kindof decent career as a striker at any professional level?
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A good result for Idah. Six goals being enough to be more than the times he was offside.
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I'd absolutely love Idah to come good, but am losing confidence myself he will as we've been saying this for 4 years now. At what point does it become acceptable (having waited 4 years) to put an opinion forward that you just feel he's not good enough at this level.
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Idah looked the least sharp of the attacking players.
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He just isn’t good enough for a championship team. We should loan him out and then sell him
They're not all like that - there's some who say he's never had a clearly defined role at Norwich and could benefit from a loan spell in that regard, and there's others who just blindly believe he'll come good - but it's certainly a majority view. And this from people who watch him week in week out.Quote:
Timing of his runs needs serious improvement.
I think we have to take it as a reasonable view to put out there without silly dismissals of it.
We can give it a silly dismissal as Idah is literally just back from his holidays. He's a couple of weeks behind the rest of the Norwich squad as he was away on international duty with us.
So he was poor because he played about an hour of football about a month ago? Even though others in the squad did so too, and some travelled much farther in doing so (like Nunez going to Chile and Bolivia)?
Gotcha.
It's preseason........Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He was "poor" because he's just back from his holidays. He was included in the Bristol training camp, and part of the training camp prior to Greece/ Gibraltar so yeah - a hour of football a month ago. Imagine going to the effort of multi quoting the Norwich forum to have a go.
It's pre-season for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Unfortunately it seems we'll go to any lengths to deflect away from things that reflect badly on our players (even when those things don't impact others in the squad for some reason)
It's not deflecting, it's not caring that a lad who was on a beach last week has a bit of rustiness in a training match.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Man United are playing games in Vegas and San Diego in the coming days. I'm a United fan, both games easily accessible for me, I'm not going to either. Why? Because the games don't fcuking matter. Its a fitness exercise and I've never in 44 years of my life given a single sh1te about how a players form was in preseason.
If you think preseason doesn't matter or has no bearing towards the beginning of the season, then(not to be rude) but you literally haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Preseason is very important in the modern game. Especially, if you're trying to hit the ground running, as a striker, at the start of the season for a club you haven't been scoring for and your fellow club mates are banging in goals in preseason(i.e Idah). Once the season starts, it's very difficult for coaches to push players physically as the turnaround of games is far too quick for recovery etc; Preseason would be extremely important for Idah given his record of injuries also. Games, minutes, strategy are planned out meticulously so they are in prime condition come the start of the season. But yeah, managers and coaches are just putting top athletes through a preseason for the craic and it has no importance because a fan doesn't want to go and watch the games.
And I would have thought everyone would have taken the pre-season nature as read in the context of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
But this nonsense of posting silly stuff about 5-a-side or making up excuses for him does get a bit tiresome, especially in light of your self-professed over-optimism on players.
Preseason is for fitness, clubs often tend to play a lot of youngsters in preseason games because they are irrelevant. Troy Parrott was good in preseason for Spurs a couple seasons ago, it had zero relevance to him getting anywhere near the 1st team. Last season Killian Phillips played a lot of preseason for Crystal Palace, I think there was one big game in particular in Asia against Liverpool (or some other big team) in front of about 70,000 fans, irrelevant when it came to the real stuff. Anyone banging on any player for rustiness in 1st preseason game needs to cop on a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by LurcherLover
I get there isnt a lot going on at the moment and we are all looking forward to the leagues starting back up but
The 5 a side probably has more importance than a training game against a non league teamQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
A bit of an extreme interpretation of what he said, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by LurcherLover
Regardless of physical sharpness I think it was apoor miss. Surely the way to convert that chance was hard at the near post, away from the 'keepers centre of gravity. Aim at/near the post, let it curl inside it. I think it betrayed a lack of a clinical striker's instinct imho.
As for Duffy, I'd like to have seen Krul's full role in it before fully blaming him, though of course it looked terrible. Did Krul start his run late? Did he shout? I always think a firm header back over 10-15 metres is less risky than a gentle, guided header back over only 5 or 6 metres. I'm not convinced Krul read the whole situation well.
Yeah, there's almost certainly the proverbial pair of them in that one alright, though Krul being off camera puts the optics all on Duffy. There doesn't seem the need to put that deliberate loop on the header back though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Probably not but if Krul had been on his line before a late run out, it wouldn't have been a mad thing to do.
There was a similar incident in the Dundalk v Rovers game on Friday. Pohls came charging out and Hoare put a header past him and had to rush back to clear his own header off the line. Looked to be completely Pohls' fault to me.
Winning goal six minutes into injury time after coming on in the 86th minute for this busted flush of a forward.
Good start to a season that, while probably not make or break for him, is going to be important in his development. At least he's got this and his first international goal to build onQuote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
I agree on the make or break point. He's still young enough at 22 to crack double digits as a centre forward not for another 2-3 years. My bigger issue would be not cracking double digits due to injury, of which he has had a few, and the long term impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Staying fit for the season now would be progress in my view.
Starts tonight at QPR in the League Cup.
Springett, Omobamidele and Duffy start as well.
4 Irish lads in the Norwich team tonight. Idah, Springett, Omobamidele and Duffy. Sinclair Armstrong not on bench for QPR so they obviously see him as starter in league games now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trequartista20
Big night for Idah I think, needs to play very well to force his way in there.
Got 70 minutes and was up against it as QPR sat deep, but did well. He might need to be patient this season as Barnes and Sargent have looked very effective when playing.
Tony Springett limped off during the game, which is not nice for him as he was on the verge of breaking in.
On after 14 minutes for Josh Sergeant, who had already scored. 3-0 to Norwich now, with Idah assisting the third. May get more game time in the coming weeks depending on the nature of Sergeant's injury