But thats probably like Hoime Farm playing UCD or similar. Top swedisgh teams get over 20k for the big games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
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But thats probably like Hoime Farm playing UCD or similar. Top swedisgh teams get over 20k for the big games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Apart from the derogatory UCD reference ;) , have to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
What was the attendance for the "big" DUBLIN DERBY ON FRIDAY NIGHT between bohs and rovers
Around 1500 at Drogheda v. Dublin City.
Bohs-Drogheda from a few weeks ago - official attendance 2654
El Derby attendance was about 2600 last night. Official attendance will be in the next programme.
90 at Kilkenny-UCD.
There was 120 approx at the Sligo Rovers v Limerick game tonight. But its not the worst ive been to this year (the town is though) at the monaghan game a few weeks ago there was 37 in attendence.
Dundalk V Finn Harps 300-400
2,500 at Derry v Shels (FAI Cup)
Computer's been to the doctor, and has come back minus Office 2000, so I can't get at my Excel sheet with the attendances for the moment. Think this is correct, though apologies for any errors! Should have it sorted out in the next few days though...
120 sounds very low for Sligo given their previous lowest was about 500...?
Updates after the weekend ... (Last season in brackets)
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2577 (2625) (missing Rovers - approx 2600)
Cork 3836 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1495 (1662) (missing Shels and Rovers)
Dublin City 610
Longford 1190 (1586)
Pat's 2004 (2971)
Rovers 1310 (2038)
Shels 2044 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1918 (2520) (missing Dublin City)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Galway, Kildare, Limerick and Sligo)
Bray 960
Cobh 220 (missing Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 709
Harps 785
Galway 577
Kildare 256 (missing Monaghan)
Kilkenny 114 (missing Cobh, Harps, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare and Kilkenny)
Sligo 797 (missing Harps)
UCD 309 (783)
Weekend matches missing -
Bohs v. Rovers
Pat's v. Waterford
Bray v. Monaghan
Kildare v. Galway
Athlone v. Cobh
About 1500 at Waterford United v Shelbourne on wednesday night.
much overstated here.The night we played them there was less than 500 at the western derby smallest crowd ive ever seen in the showgrounds for this game.
Bray.Harps and Dundalk crowds also seem vastly overstated im sure some of their fans would come up with more realistic figures.
Harps figures are underestimated if anything, couldn't be much lower!Drastic drop from last year. :mad:
Where do those figures come from? With the exception of Cork (and possibly Drogheda), I reckon they are all inflated. And how come they are ALL down on last year's - surely Drogheda's crowds are bigger now than ever before. For Rovers, I would say our average for this season has been roughly 8-900.
Dundalk v Sligo (3-2)
Thurs Nights Attendance 700 according to sligorovers.com
Most of the figurs are fan guesstimates by necessity, except Bohs (official) and Drogs (half are official). An official average for Pat's was posted and was 200 over what was here. That's the only guide to how correct the attendances are unfortunately. In the First, Galway's are official and UCD's are accurate. It's far from perfect, but until the FAI start releasing attendances, it's the best we can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by manic da hoop
The reason they're all down is because I'm deliberately trying to keep the figures conservative and will pick the lowest reasonable figure (i.e. if the attendance is put at 1500-1750, I'll put in 1500). I didn't do this thread last year, and I don't think that was applied then. A fair few Star figures got into the system as well...! 2005 attendances should be comparable to 2004 and will be better for telling if attendances are up or down.
At least 1800 at Dublin City vs. Bohs.
800-1000 at Bray-UCD. Keep it at 800 to keep conservative.
Never posted this after last weekend, so here's the updates up to the 5th. This weekend's matches not in yet. (Last season in brackets)
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2577 (2625) (missing Rovers - approx 2600)
Cork 3850 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1496 (1662) (missing Shels and Rovers)
Dublin City 678
Longford 1200 (1586)
Pat's 2004 (2971) (missing Bohs, Rovers and Waterford)
Rovers 1255 (2038) (missing Cork)
Shels 2044 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1883 (2520) (missing Dublin City)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Cobh, Galway, Kildare, Limerick and Sligo)
Bray 945 (missing Monaghan)
Cobh 220 (missing Bray, Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 708
Harps 791
Galway 597 (missing Kildare)
Kildare 256 (missing Galway and Monaghan)
Kilkenny 114 (missing Cobh, Harps, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare and Kilkenny)
Sligo 797 (missing Harps)
UCD 317 (783)
Weekend matches missing -
Rovers v. Cork
Pat's v. Bohs
264 at UCD v. Athlone.
about 300-400 max at the rovers v dub city game
around 450 from my recordsQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sorry, Terry, that should be Kilkenny, not Kildare. My mistake!Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry
Bohs-Rovers 2423 official from last night's programme.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Cobh V Bray- 250
Same for Bray V Monoghan I'd say.
I see you are missing a few of the games involving Harps;
Sligo (a) July : 650 (250-300 Harps fans)
Kilkenny (a) March : 80 (15 Harps fans)
Kilkenny (a) 18 Sept : 109 (40 Harps fans)
Keep up the good work. :ball:
2,000 at Derry v Waterford (Before it was called off)
around 700Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Updates after last weekend. Last season in brackets. I've not included Derry v. Waterford as the game is to be replayed.
PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs 2564 (2625) (missing Cork)
Cork 3850 (4147)
Derry 1875 (2265)
Drogheda 1496 (1662) (missing Longford, Shels and Rovers)
Dublin City 678
Longford 1200 (1586)
Pat's 2004 (2971) (missing Bohs, Rovers and Waterford)
Rovers 1188 (2038) (missing Cork)
Shels 2044 (2573) (missing Rovers)
Waterford 1883 (2520) (missing Dublin City)
FIRST DIVISION
Athlone 337 (missing Cobh, Galway, Kildare, Limerick and Sligo)
Bray 888
Cobh 225 (missing Bray (first round of matches), Kildare, Kilkenny, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Dundalk 708
Harps 791
Galway 605
Kildare 256 (missing Galway and Monaghan)
Kilkenny 108 (missing Cobh, Kildare, Limerick, Monaghan and Sligo)
Limerick 207 (missing Bray, Cobh, Kildare, Kilkenny and Monaghan)
Monaghan 138 (missing Athlone, Kildare and Kilkenny)
Sligo 784 (missing Galway)
UCD 313 (783)
Weekend matches missing -
Bohs v. Cork
Drogheda v. Longford
Monaghan v. Kildare
Limerick v. Dundalk
Sligo v. Galway
Are they average attendences Stu? Is the whole Premier League down about 20% or is it mainly because of matches you couldn't add in? If so why are attendences actually dropping?
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
While still the biggest attendance, that's quite a drop.
Very disappointing.
Dunno if you already got it Stu, but there was about 1000, maybe 1200 max, at Shels v Pats on Monday night.
Just noticed you're missing a couple of our other ones:
Pats v Rovers: 1800
Pats v Bohs: 2500
Dunno about Pats v Waterford, I missed it.
Attendances are down for some teams definitely, but I think some of it has to do with the fact that I'm trying to keep attendances conservative and will always pick the lowest reasonable attendance for any one game (e.g. Shels-Pat's from Dr Nightdub is in at 1,000). I didn't do this last year, and a different way of recording attendances may have been used. Next season will tell if this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Interesting that the only club to have provided official attendances this year and last is Bohs, who are down 60 or so. That may be more realistic. However, whether this year is too low or last year is too high, I don't know.
Right, so the previous years' figures were also put together by you, so they're not the most accurate either? Bohs apart I mean. Why don't clubs publish official figures? Is that not a UEFA directive?
Also where do you get UCD's from? And what does that 50% slash really mean? Is it mainly due to the absence of away support especially Dublin? How has the actual UCD support been affected by relegation?
The clubs have to send the exact figures to the FAI but they don't have to publish them unfortunately. I've no idea why they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
I think it was TommyT who put the thread together - it'll be still there if you want to trawl through the forum. He may have given more leeway in which of two attendances to take. Also, the Star had more input last year - enough said! It is part of UEFA Licencing to issue attendances, but I (and others) e-mailed them and they said that there were no plans to release the attendances. I got the impression that clubs simply weren't complying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
UCD's attendances are by means of that good old-fashioned method - counting them... The drop is mainly - almost exclusively, in fact - a lack of away support. I'd say the home support is up slightly. In the 2001/02 season, we had three home games in front of 100 people - our worst this season was 50% (or 50 people...!) up on that, with the drawbacks of the game not being on our usual day (the Cobh game was on the Sunday), a Bank Holiday, the press giving details wrong and Dublin playing in Croke Park against Roscommon. So it's slow, but seems to be improving. In fact, they were getting notably better until Mr Doolin lost nine games in a row (but didn't relegate us...!)
The high-tech method of me counting them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Hard to tell obviously but if you consider that 44% home games last year were against the other Dublin teams and take an average of 1000 for those, adding that to this year's figures would give an average of 618, not too far off last year's figure. This is before you think about the extra number of away fans the other premier clubs would bring compared to the likes of (and no disrespect intended here!) Kilkenny, Monaghan, Limerick, Cobh, etc. Including that drop, probably not far off 100 a game, there isn't a huge difference between this year's and last year's numbers.Quote:
And what does that 50% slash really mean? Is it mainly due to the absence of away support especially Dublin? How has the actual UCD support been affected by relegation?
Actually it's worth factoring something else in. UCD got a very rough deal with the fixture list this year. Our three title/promotion rivals Finn Harps, Bray Wanderers and Kildare County were all handed the advanatge of playing twice at home against us and only once away. This advantage was also extended to Dundalk meaning we only had home advantage twice against one top half side that being Galway United. Now given the proximity of those clubs (barring Harps) and the chances of those clubs doing anything meaningful this year (barring Dundalk) this means we were denied a bit more of an away support and has given us a much harder road to promotion. Perhaps if it was the other way around more away fans and indeed home fans may have come this year. And we may been top at the moment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Don't forget though that the current figures include one home game against each team (Athlone apart) and so are probably a fairer comparison to last year's.