Galway fans were the problem. Nail on the head. You have such insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
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Galway fans were the problem. Nail on the head. You have such insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Most LoI supporters are against the idea of play-offs. Most clubs probably are as well. I'd be traditionalist enough as well.
The league is well down the sporting discussions of our country. The only story most will have heard of this year is the Dublin derby called off due to a divet on the pitch!
The unwanted option of an end of season play-off is possibly one option to create media coverage over a number of weeks and grab the imagination of people. The one off event is part of our sporting public.
I can't see it happening. Noone here will want to see it happening. I guess here ends the discussion!
To be honest if a club or fans don't want to be involved in an end of season play off which might get them promoted or save their place in the League then they might just as well not bother at all.
The main goal of clubs, players & fans in football should be to get as high as you possibly can either in the League or personal playing standards but do so in a sustainable manner & not in the hand to mouth fashion that most League of Ireland clubs continue to be run & let that take you where it will.
There are many clubs in this country who are run in a sustainable basis & have risen to their own level.
They can maintain that level no matter what happens because they are run within their means & not on some boom & bust philosophy which if it works is fine but if it fails it leaves them bust & broken beyond repair.
These clubs still maintain an ambition to rise higher if the opportunity arises.
The League of Ireland is full of the ghosts of clubs who thought they could spend their way to success, money which they didn't have.
People should not confuse failing to run a club in a reckless manner with a lack of ambition.
On what basis do you make that statement? I'm not aware of any sort of mass resentment of the play-off idea. Maybe parts of how it is carried out, but not the idea itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
You'd never post if the criteria for your posts included a likelihood that "it might happen" clauseQuote:
Originally Posted by legendz
My main issue with the play off as it currently is, is that it should be a Promotion Play Off only*. Should be 2 down and 2 up.
*This opinion is subject to change, this time next year!
I should clarify by play-off, I'm on about that sacrilegious thing for the Premier Division title.
I'd generally be opposed to an end of season playoff system with, say, the top 4 playing off for the title (as in some other leagues and some other sports). I don't see the harm in having a playoff match for the league title if teams finish level on points though. This could be implemented next season, obviously!
Oh right, I just assumed you meant the promotion play-off because of the thread. No, I wouldn't be behind that idea either I suppose. This isn't the pro-12. 33 games is enough to determine a winner, and the FAI Cup fills the void of "end of season showdown" well enough.
Maybe a play-off for the last European place? 3rd against 4th over two-legs?
But anyway, this doesn't seem like the thread for this discussion.
Just lumping on a playoff on top of the existing structure I would be 100% opposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
I am open minded if it was part of a wider restructuring of football, such as if we introduced a conference system that included all senior clubs.
That's all true. Lumping on a play-off for the sake of it is rudiculous.
I have to say, I still believe the league should go to a 16 team Premier Division. B teams and all other interested parties then in a regionalised second tier.
It's notable Pro 12 attendances in Munster are down, something like 7500 last Friday. I can't speak of Ulster and Leinster. There's only a few GAA counties who get crowds of around 7000 for their national league games. A lot of people traditionally as we know are event junkies.
If the league ever reached a level where about 6 clubs were getting around 6000 on a regular basis, I think that'll be a great position for the league.
In Limerick and back home in the county of Kerry, the league doesn't make much impact on sporting discussions. That is a problem for the league. There cannot be a divet on a pitch every week to get people speaking of the league!
I see a couple of the Shamrock Rovers B lads from last year have been signed by Shels and Pats. No Rovers B team next year so?
I'm sure they have more than two players :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Of course but if the point of it is to develop players for their first team, then letting 2 highly rated prospects go is a bit odd. Sandford was top scorer with their 19s for a couple of years but must feel like Shels is better for him nowQuote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Have any other clubs expressed interest in entering a B team?
That's more or less what I wanted to say but didn't have time to do so! Although the main memory I have of O'Malley was the absolute nightmare he had against us the night we won the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I've never seen him play but he won their POTY award so can't be awful. He goes to NUI Maynooth so his coaches there would be Ger O'Brien and Brendan Clarke. They'd know his potential even if he hasn't done well for Rovers
Yeah in fairness I've no idea what his season was like. I only saw him play a maximum of twice (I'm not sure if he played in our second game in Tallaght) and he's obviously very young for a keeper.
Rovers probably reckoned that he wasn't going to make it with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Didn't score a goal last season with the B's as far as I can see & only made a few appearances.
Was mostly on the bench.
He scored 2 against Shels after coming on as sub I think. He was well regarded at Rovers by all accounts. They scored very few goals as a team. Daniel Purdy got most of them and he was an established LOI player who was wasting his time playing with the B team.
Yes that's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
I suppose his contract was up so he decided to move on or maybe there was some other reason ?
Could be. I was just putting two and two together given the previous rumblings that Nutsy didn't want the B team and the players had been told to find new teams.
The problem with the B team is that it seemed to be a big expense for little return.
A lot of the players who played this season are never going to be good enough to progress to the first team. They would be better off signing those that have potential and then loaning them to Shels/Athlone/Wexford etc.
Rovers paying the wages of someone like Chris Lyons who has already been at UCD and Bohs makes no sense.
Wouldn't think he is or was on big wages at either club, but they signed Purdy off us as well - at that stage he'd either done enough in the first to show he could step up, or he hadn't, so what was the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
Yeah I'm sure he was on pittance but it could have been better used elsewhere in the club (a goal bonus for one of their strikers maybe!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
With Purdy they probably saw his potential so wanted him on their books than elsewhere which is fair enough.
Yeah, said above Purdy was just wasting his time there. He may have thought he could move up to the first team if he impressed but he didn't get a sniff all season. He was good enough to be a starter for us if he'd stayed on but apparently he and TC weren't seeing eye to eye.
To be fair to Rovers, I don't think you can judge something like this on a one season return. The idea is to make it a continual path from the (upcoming) u17s to the u19s to the Bs to the first team. It could take years to prove it's worthQuote:
Originally Posted by JC_GUFC
Last year they seemed to throw a few players in there to fill out the team but they still had the likes of Kavanagh, Osam and Heaney who could all make the step up
This is my way of looking at it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Its about progression up through the ranks.
At the end of each season some players will be let go & others brought in.
If a club could get one or two to step up to the Senior squad each season they'd be doing well.
Well, if you look at it one way, it certainly was a success even in one season.
The team themselves might not have lit up the First Division, but the fact three or four players were able to get valuable senior football experience before progressing into the First team has to be seen as a real positive for Rovers.
Its always been said that if you only get 3 players out of an underage squad, you're doing well.
If the cost of running a B team is in the region of €100k that has been touted, getting 1 or 2 players a year graduating to the senior squad is hardly a good benchmark of value.
It's about quality rather then quantity
So have there been any expressions of interest does anyone know?
Seems the Rovers B team is a goner
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepa...ch-B-team.html
At the recent event at the Aviva organised by the Irish Supporters Network Fran Gavin said the FAI were talking to other clubs about coming in. This becomes a very urgent thing if we're down to 7 teams.
Cue desperate search for a replacement.
Cork B? Pats B? Kerry League?
There won't be any B teams. Pats and Cork both say it's too expensive
I suppose if that were the case then why would clubs bother with Under 15's upwards at all if all they will ever get out of it is one or two senior players after maybe having players for five or six years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Clubs in the League of Ireland would be largely selling clubs in that any promising players are sold off cross channel. The income from this enables a club to improve their senior team by means of employing better players to supplement those born locally & brought up through the clubs under age system & without blowing their budget.
It also helps them improve their under age system so that they may improve the players they have by better coaching & facilities.This is how a lot of clubs both here & in the UK survive. Otherwise because of small gate receipts & poor support they would quickly go out of business.
Other clubs prefer to spend money including money they don't have in buying in players by way of signing on fee's & big salaries in the hope it brings success.
In some cases it does bring success but in a lot of cases it doesn't which leaves a club with big debts, no money & nothing to show for all the money spent chasing the dream.
I suppose it all depends on where in the country the club is from & what their philosophy on football is.
Funnily enough a lot of A teams say the same thing. It's almost as if there are more barriers to playing football in this country than incentives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What I felt from having seen the team a few times was that there were a number of players who were just never going to make it up to Rovers' first team squad and that would have been known at the start of the season.
During the season it also seemed as if the u19s were given priority over the Bs so the likes of Mark Sandford played for the 19s instead of the Bs. Obviously with no chance of promotion that was fair enough for Rovers to do that.
Aside from all that I wasn't really mad on the idea of them forming part of a league. The chopping and changing of their team from week to week didn't sit well with me from the idea of what a league should be...
So we're back to arguing about a 7 team league now...
Which is mighty if you're a club trying to put your squad and budget together for next year.